Abhishek Bachchan the heir to the flop throne

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642126

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Posted: 10 years ago

#91

Honestly, I would have equally criticised Hrithik too if he had not proven himself.

But he has. Both with his father and outside Filmkraft banner. And in genres considered dead or unviable as well. He defied all calculations and gave top grossers. Won all people.

So yes I will defend him.

Talking of star kids, there are vast hierarchies within the industry also.

Kapoors and Bachchans are the top ones and most well connected.

A Roshan was not the same as a Kapoor. And an Oberoi was not even same as Roshan.

Rakesh Roshan got all recognition later only. He had cried after each success. That wasn't just fatherly love. That was vindication for all those years of being asked to step aside or laughed at.

Abhishek is NO WAY the underdog he is projected to be here. His dad did everything to make his life. Even got him highest award from UP state government besides buying other awards, signing films and ads as package deal, getting him TV shows, films etc.

It is one thing to give a push and you walk. It is another thing if you're still in walker and being pushed around all the time!

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pallavi25

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Posted: 10 years ago

#92

Originally posted by: atominis

Yes they are.

This is why we make fun of star wives and their nakhras daily.

It sure works both ways.

Well, I dont make fun of star wives just because they accompany their star hubbies, why would I? 😕

ALL wives accompany their hubbies to company dinners or picnics. That is a perfectly normal thing.

Maybe star wives can be mocked if they actually show nakhras or spout outrageous statements in interviews or wear outlandish garments. 😆

But have we really witnessed Abhishek Bachchan throwing himself at the cameras at these festivals or trying to grab attention or doing nakhras? 😆 I dont think so...never heard of it.

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pallavi25

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Posted: 10 years ago

#93

Originally posted by: atominis
Honestly, I would have equally criticised Hrithik too if he had not proven himself.

But he has. Both with his father and outside Filmkraft banner. And in genres considered dead or unviable as well. He defied all calculations and gave top grossers. Won all people.

So yes I will defend him.

Talking of star kids, there are vast hierarchies within the industry also.

Kapoors and Bachchans are the top ones and most well connected.

A Roshan was not the same as a Kapoor. And an Oberoi was not even same as Roshan.

Rakesh Roshan got all recognition later only. He had cried after each success. That wasn't just fatherly love. That was vindication for all those years of being asked to step aside or laughed at.

Abhishek is NO WAY the underdog he is projected to be here. His dad did everything to make his life. Even got him highest award from UP state government besides buying other awards, signing films and ads as package deal, getting him TV shows, films etc.

It is one thing to give a push and you walk. It is another thing if you're still in walker and being pushed around all the time!

😆 I had this sudden vision of Abhishek sitting in a stroller, with a pacifier in his mouth, being pushed around by Amitabh! Wish someone would make a meme out of this...😆

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642126

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Posted: 10 years ago

#94

LOL!

If one is supporting a failure like Abhishek then still talking of Hrithik's openings?

I can take such talk in comparison to Khans. But NOT other newbies.

What experiment Abhishek has done?

He is daring? Why did he reject Lagaan? Why reject RDB and DCH also if he is daring, unconventional and secure as actor?

Forgot films like Shararat, Tera jadoo chal gaya, Dhai Akshar Prem ke, Bas Itna sa khwab hai, Drona, Kuch na kaho etc? 😆 Are they daring choices?!

He did other stuff just because he FAILED at proper commercial, popular stuff!

And even in unconventional themes he is no Naseer or Om that he is hyped so much.

Oh and Rakesh Roshan being known is not the same as being influential as equally as Bachchans or Kapoors! No matter how one spins it! Rakesh was never a huge name.

His own experience is fake and people's spin is real?

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Posted: 10 years ago

#95

AB Jr. is just interested in easy life .. can't even look fit/good and does sick job at even the good roles he was offered initially.

One really bad thing that he did was he worked with lot of new directors at the very beginning of his career. He himself is a bad actor, a good director might have been able to bring something out of him. But the new not-so-experienced directors were not in a position to make a non-actor act.

Drona was just a big joke .. PC over-shadowed AB like totally.

He just knows to sit and crib about people giving more emphasis on building six packs than acting. The truth is he can't do either.

I thought he would at least be good at the game shows/talk shows stuff. But he is really bad even there, which is surprising given how fun he used to be in his interviews earlier. Now not even that. He has become a total disaster.

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642126

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Posted: 10 years ago

#96

Difference in name and influence is the reason why Raagini Khanna did not get good roles despite being Govinda's niece and being extremely talented. It is the reason why natural comic talent Krushna has to play sidekick to Abhishek, whose butt he can kick anytime with his comic timing and energy!

Javed Jaffery is comedian Jagdeep's son. He was a superb dancer, had brilliant comic timing and had good voice. He was tall also. But he didn't get any good opportunities. Except few villain roles or sidekick roles in 80s. He found immense popularity on TV. But still movies never gave him good roles, except small time roles.

The hierarchy impacts how much nepotism can favour you or not.

Had Abhishek been any other guy's son he would be nowhere. Not even in art house circuit, because he is not even something awesome there!

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642126

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Posted: 10 years ago

#97

Abhishek is definitely lazy.

At a time when even ageing stars have fit body, this guy keeps flaunting his flab and "family pack"! 🤢

He takes it for granted that he will get work no matter what!

Look at someone like Aamir! Sometimes loses weight, sometimes bulks up as and when roles require him to be! Even at this age.

And look at this Abhishek! Even TV actors are fitter than he ever was!

He looks way older than his age. Even his 72 year old dad is better maintained and groomed than him!

I wonder how is he defended to this extent and every failure and shortcoming is ignored?

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Posted: 10 years ago

#98

Originally posted by: atominis
LOL!

If one is supporting a failure like Abhishek then still talking of Hrithik's openings?

I can take such talk in comparison to Khans. But NOT other newbies.

What experiment Abhishek has done?

He is daring? Why did he reject Lagaan? Why reject RDB and DCH also if he is daring, unconventional and secure as actor?

Forgot films like Shararat, Tera jadoo chal gaya, Dhai Akshar Prem ke, Bas Itna sa khwab hai, Drona, Kuch na kaho etc? 😆 Are they daring choices?!

He did other stuff just because he FAILED at proper commercial, popular stuff!

And even in unconventional themes he is no Naseer or Om that he is hyped so much.

Oh and Rakesh Roshan being known is not the same as being influential as equally as Bachchans or Kapoors! No matter how one spins it! Rakesh was never a huge name.

His own experience is fake and people's spin is real?

one thing that baffles me is that Abhi rejected second fiddles in lagaan and DCH but played a second fiddle to HR in a silly film like MPKDH ? how does that even make any sense ?

I am not saying that HR was superior then, by that time both were pretty much equal as HR had some severe flops too, but after 16 years now, HR is one of the biggest superstars and Abhi is Aish's husband, so yes may be HR is OTT ( acc to may critics ) and Abhi is the better actor, but well when did acting alone or looks alone could make or break any star ? it always was a combination, and it will always be a combination of skills, looks, screen presence and aura, Abhi might excel in acting but other departments HR excels and even in acting, boy yes he must not have bought all the 6 filmfares or should i credit Rakesh Roshan for that too 😆

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642126

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Posted: 10 years ago

#99

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It is simple.

Abhishek did not want to share screen space with a senior like Aamir.

He took MPKDH thinking HR would be no competition as he was also a newbie only.

They have bigtime "Hrithik complex" which is why we didn't have HR and Ash widely promoting JA together as they should ideally have. Didn't Jaya madam walk out of D2 screening seeing the kissing scene between HR and Ash?

People talk of dad making films. Roshan only made film. Bachchan went whole hog, with multi pronged strategies! From buying commercial awards like Filmfare to government honours like Yuva sammaan to signing package deals with brands, filmmakers, exploiting links with government, media and business etc. They are FACE OF NEPOTISM with their all round haath-paer maarna just to keep Abhishek afloat.

Amitabh had announced retirement. I bet he hyped Abhishek thinking he would carry forward legacy and help clear debts etc. But son did nothing and AB still has to work while Jaya handles sarkar power links.

They never allow their women to work. Aishwarya is getting this liberty only because her husband is not enough to carry forward legacy. I am not saying it out of sexism. But because I have read AB and Jaya's views on women working in films after marriage.

This underdog thing for a guy like Abhishek really makes me curious! Can't you see how much they manipulate? Bit of improvement can always come if a guy gets this many chances and is forever cushioned against failure!

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Posted: 10 years ago

#100

Originally posted by: atominis
@harshu.sundas

It is simple.

Abhishek did not want to share screen space with a senior like Aamir.

He took MPKDH thinking HR would be no competition as he was also a newbie only.

They have bigtime "Hrithik complex" which is why we didn't have HR and Ash widely promoting JA together as they should ideally have. Didn't Jaya madam walk out of D2 screening seeing the kissing scene between HR and Ash?

People talk of dad making films. Roshan only made film. Bachchan went whole hog, with multi pronged strategies! From buying commercial awards like Filmfare to government honours like Yuva sammaan to signing package deals with brands, filmmakers, exploiting links with government, media and business etc. They are FACE OF NEPOTISM with their all round haath-paer maarna just to keep Abhishek afloat.

Amitabh had announced retirement. I bet he hyped Abhishek thinking he would carry forward legacy and help clear debts etc. But son did nothing and AB still has to work while Jaya handles sarkar power links.

They never allow their women to work. Aishwarya is getting this liberty only because her husband is not enough to carry forward legacy. I am not saying it out of sexism. But because I have read AB and Jaya's views on women working in films after marriage.

This underdog thing for a guy like Abhishek really makes me curious! Can't you see how much they manipulate? Bit of improvement can always come if a guy gets this many chances and is forever cushioned against failure!

i was not much into social media untill last 4 years and therefore i am unknown to all these. I have seen that Ash-HR never promoted any of their 3 films together, not atleast the way a star and superhit onscreen couple does, and those days media had even gossiped how HR was not invited in Ash-Abhi wedding only because of the way their onscreen pairing was a talk of the town. i don't know how much truth is there in these gossips now. But i still see Hrithik being very good friends of both Abhi and Ash .

about the dhoom2 kiss, yes the whole world knows about the tamasha bacchans had created, and later they made a laughing stock of themselves, from Abhi going on a record and saying he does not know anything about the kiss to AB sr threatening YRF to delete the smooch, what not .

if they had so much of a problem, why did not they ask YRF to not include that particular scene ?

Yes RR made films for HR, but the amount of money investors had invested were huge too, dont you think it takes a lot of star power and brand value to convince investors when somebody tends to make a film like krrish and even KMG ? those were gambles but Hrithik prove dthat he was worthy of being spent money on unlike Abhi, who was cats by YRF in almst all their films courtesy the great BigB and still Abhi could not capitalize. the number of breaks HR took prior jodha akbar, almost 4 films of Abhi had released without any big competition even, and why do we forget there had been numerous years when HR delivered to grossers, infact apart from 2010 every year whenever his films have released has either topped the chart or atleast in the top 3 grossers and that comes with star power ONLY .

I must not exemplify a bang bang here which has underperformed but again BB were amongst the top grossers of the year if i am not wrong, then even when HR is not at his best he delivers if not in terms of acting then atleast BO wise, and that is the only reason him being supported is justified, just how i detest the choices made by him but still will credit him when its due, because that is something you need to do when you are not a fan too.

even AB has produced films like Paa where Abhi performed very good, and they still tried to revive their PH right ? i can see people claiming that Abhi was the best part of Bol bachan o HNY but would these films earn as much as they did had Ajay, Rohit shetty and SRK would not provide their brand names ? one must realize that only performing is not enough, performing and making your audience connect to it is also necessary, otherwise the 45 cr opening would not credited to SRK alone, which he rightfully deserves.

till now Ranbir was touted to be better than HR, and am glad that bombay velvet broke the illusions .😆