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Posted: 10 years ago
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Dude W*F is wrong with people?
Kalki has spoken about being sexually abused as a child. How the heck is anyone reading that as "sex as a child". She never glorified it. This isn't new either. She has raised the issue of sexual abuse long before. For people to be brave and speak up about sexual abuse and then get labeled as someone who had sex as a child is exactly what is wrong with society today.

I don't think her speaking about her body or sexual nature of her role can take away from that.


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Posted: 10 years ago
#32

Originally posted by: atominis



I meant her interviews and opinions when I said most people won't take her seriously. Not her acting.

What's sad or depressing?

It happens to everyone. Like how Rishi Kapoor became butt of jokes when he talked about abuse against women and wrote nonsense about kamzor pe atyachar on Twitter. AB is bashed when he talks of woman empowerment. Prime Minister's own past is rubbed in his face when he talks about girl child. Aamir is bashed every time he talks about respect for women, children and does any episode of SMJ on marriage. Memes on his personal life go viral every time. Salman's mocked over "Being Human".

Kalki can have her own opinions on nudity but the way she excessively discussed it, it came across as cheap.

Such talk becomes masala then. Like it or not, it's indeed hard to take it seriously. I mean, you know how an average reader will take such an interview.



Salman is a criminal. Rishi has a history of domestic abuse. AB and Aamir are known as philanderers at the very least, and so forth. Kalki's past she was a victim. Look I understand what you are trying to say. I just don't agree. I especially don't think her talk on nudity was cheap in that context.

What I find sad or depressing is that people can't separate the two. Even if she was wrong or cheap or vulgar in her talks about nudity or nipple painting it shouldn't take away from the issue of child abuse that she's trying to bring attention too. People judge her position as a victim based on these statements now. To me it reeks too much of when people question what a rape victim was wearing before she was attacked.

I feel like we are running in circles here so I'll leave it at that.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I gave you example of activist Harish Iyer also who himself is victim of CSA.

When he talked this lightly about rape and called it an icebreaker, he was widely criticised.

You don't agree with me. Fine. But that's how most people (if not all), react.

A crass interview like that nullified effect of previous interview, even if previous one was genuine.

I wonder how it was even published as it is. Till recently, such stuff used to get edited out.

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Posted: 10 years ago
#34
I don't see how we are comparing "I am comfortable with my body and sexuality" with "let me tell you a rape joke".

I fail to see why being comfortable with nudity or a sex scene should be crass and inappropriate that it takes away the weight of being a victim of child sex abuse. While a rape joke may demean assault and its victims, gaining confidence and comfort about one's body is a powerful step that many victims struggle to make. Many victims of abuse and assault struggle with intimacy. So in light of that, I find it very refreshing and encouraging to see victims of assault gain such confidence about their bodies.

On a side note while I usually frown upon rape jokes, especially on a forum to address rape, I would cut the actual victim slack. People process grief and tragedy in different ways. Some people need to make light of their circumstances in order to get closure and move on.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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You're always okay with things like nudity, and anything related to sex, whether outside marriage or beyond.

Sorry to disappoint you but not many Indians think like you.

Kalki's latest interview is cheap. Ones having no problem with it are in minority.

If you or others think, use of words doesn't matter, so be it. The content like this gets mostly rejected and criticised and is left for consumption of few who have no problem with it.

I will refer to programs by credible organisations working on issues than interviews by cheap celebs barking before release of films.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: atominis

You're always okay with things like nudity, and anything related to sex, whether outside marriage or beyond.

Sorry to disappoint you but not many Indians think like you.

Kalki's latest interview is cheap. Ones having no problem with it are in minority.

If you or others think, use of words doesn't matter, so be it. The content like this gets mostly rejected and criticised and is left for consumption of few who have no problem with it.

I will refer to programs by credible organisations working on issues than interviews by cheap celebs barking before release of films.


I am aware that Indians do tend to have a more modest mindset where nudity or openness about sexuality are not accepted.


My question is why? What is so inherently immoral about the human body or about sex? Why is it so shocking for us to accept sex or nudity?


The interview didn't go into any graphic details about sex. There were two things covered.

1) Kalki expressed that she is comfortable with her body and enthusiastic to do a nude scene

2) The director joked about the nipples being off


Why is that so shocking or disgusting?


Let us assume that it is disgusting and not argue the matter. The knee jerk reaction is to dismiss Kalki. But what is so wrong in rationally thinking through and trying to separate Kalki the child victim and Kalki the woman today? What is so wrong in going back and saying, maybe what she says now is wrong - but the issue of her being a victim is still serious enough?

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Posted: 10 years ago
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I don't give a damn about what Kalki says.

And spare me. I am not interested in discussing about nipples, bodies blah blah of any person of any gender. 🤢

My sympathies with her if she was a CSA victim. But she's not the candidate I would pick to raise awareness on this issue. #MyChoice
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: atominis


My sympathies with her if she was a CSA victim. But she's not the candidate I would pick to raise awareness on this issue. #MyChoice


By all means, don't turn to her. We all have several role models to choose from.

But is it right to trivialize her issue and make light of it instead? Whether a virgin or a prostitute, a victim is a victim.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: nonam

what is up with these posters labeling anyone addressing an important issue as attention seekers.

attention seekers are the ones calling the media, circulating their own pictures and then complaining about the media attention, while trying to be in the limelight without any merit or talent.

using your celebrity to bring attention to important topics is not what is meant by the phrase "attention seeking".



truth is she is doing this for the promotion of her new film though.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades



By all means, don't turn to her. We all have several role models to choose from.

But is it right to trivialize her issue and make light of it instead? Whether a virgin or a prostitute, a victim is a victim.



I did not even respond to that naked body IV thread or trivialise her experience. So you don't need to quote my post on this one.

I have an issue with the way she words her interviews. But it doesn't mean I deny she was a victim.

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