Subhash Jha's open letter to Russell Peters

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desigal90

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Posted: 10 years ago

#141

Since when did we say that there should be an FIR or prison threats against Russel?

Where did any of us disagree with freedom of speech?

All we're saying is that he will get criticized for it.

And yes, I do think that someone who's a hateful racist, or someone who's known to mock a certain culture, loses all credibility to speak.

Difference. I'm saying he has no credibility left so he should STFU. I'm not saying he doesn't have the RIGHT to speak. I don't think anyone on this forum is saying that.

He can speak, but that's all it will be. Bullshit.

I dont understand why it's being taken so literally. People on this forum have said "STFU" to so many bollywood celebs in topics. They don't literally mean that take away their right to speak.

I dont understand why it's taken outta context now?

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blue-ice.

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Posted: 10 years ago

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Originally posted by: desigal90
Since when did we say that there should be an FIR or prison threats against Russel?
Where did any of us disagree with freedom of speech?
All we're saying is that he will get criticized for it.

And yes, I do think that someone who's a hateful racist, or someone who's known to mock a certain culture, loses all credibility to speak.
Difference. I'm saying he has no credibility left so STFU. I'm not saying he doesn't have the RIGHT to speak. I don't think anyone on this forum is saying that.

He can speak, but that's all it will be. Bullshit.

I dont understand why it's being taken so literally. People on this forum have said "STFU" to so many bollywood celebs in topics. They don't literally mean that take away their right to speak.
I dont understand why it's taken outta context now?

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blue-ice.

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Posted: 10 years ago

#143

^^ exercised my freedom to laugh😎

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Posted: 10 years ago

#144

Originally posted by: anonymous39
Freedom of speech means being able to say whatever you want, regardless of how unpopular it might be, without government intrusion and threats. That is a basic human right and it should be protected.

Indeed why should government poke their nose even if it means people are going bonkers, shooting and killing others for using their freedom of speech. Government definitely shouldn't intrude. Let people do whatever they want to, who the f**k cares if unrestricted freedom of speech leads to blood shed...

So from tomorrow eve teasing shouldn't be an issue either considering freedom of speech. People really don't grasp the grave monster hiding behind unrestricted freedom of Speech...

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blue-ice.

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Posted: 10 years ago

#145

Originally posted by: Fiery.Fawkes

Indeed why should government poke their nose even if it means people are going bonkers, shooting and killing others for using their freedom of speech. Government definitely shouldn't intrude. Let people do whatever they want to, who the f**k cares if unrestricted freedom of speech leads to blood shed...

So from tomorrow eve teasing shouldn't be an issue either considering freedom of speech. People really don't grasp the grave monster hiding behind unrestricted freedom of Speech...

People say...restricting the FOS is a slippery slope...not using the FOS responsibly is also a slippery slope...so what is the girl supposed to do to a douche who makes a dirty lewd comment on her body...let it go in the name of FOS??

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desigal90

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Posted: 10 years ago

#146

It' simple, once freedom of speech impinges on someone else's rights, it has to stop.

FOS is a slippery slope as well. Humans being are social animals, but we need to be regulated and have some kinda system placed on our head.

India is a complex country because it has such a wide array of cultures within it. There are super liberals residing next door to conservatives. That doesn't mean that the liberal has the right to insult the more conservative citizen's sentiments. We have to be more responsible. (Yes I realize Aamir is guilty of the same with PK. I'm not defending Aamir here)

AIB's content in the US wouldn't even be an issue. It's a different culture and society.

it's simple, nudity in films is allowed and taken in a different content in the states. Women wearing bikinis on the beach is the norm.

In India, the clothing and speech, and content of media has to be geared towards the masses.

There's no need to rush towards either conservative or liberal extremes. But in India it's a complicated gradient. Where does one end and the other begins.

It's not shocking that some celebs are opposed to AIB and while others are in support. All of them should be allowed to give their honest opinions, yes even Aamir. Even if it makes him a hypocrite. As long as he's not insulting a person directly or mocking or degrading their talent. Its the same as, insult Aamir's film, insult PK, but don't insult HIM. Don't take away from his profession. Aamir didn't insult comedians worldwide did he? Did he say comedians are less talented than actors?

Russel Peters can't just stand there and saying things like, "Aamir Khan is not even an artist, he just reads lines" in the name of Freedom of Speech and get away unscathed. He will bear the backlash and that's why people are telling him to shut up on this forum. If he had just stopped call Aamir a hypocrite that would be a different issue because you're speaking in context of the situation. But what does Aamir's profession as an actor have to do anything? Was that necessary?

That doenst mean we literally want the government to LITERALLY shut him up. It's just an expression

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Posted: 10 years ago

#147

Originally posted by: blue-ice

People say...restricting the FOS is a slippery slope...not using the FOS responsibly is also a slippery slope...so what is the girl supposed to do to a douche who makes a dirty lewd comment on her body...let it go in the name of FOS??

Seriously dude, who wouldn't love to abuse their freedom of speech. And I am all up for advocating FOS, but the line has to be drawn somewhere. And this line ain't universal. It depends on the country, people, their religion, culture, history etc etc. Not everything is black or white. I am just amazed the so called "open minded" folks not grasping how intertwined and complicated FOS is. But then again, I guess such maturity ain't everyone's cup of tea 😆 <--- Yup FOS to judge people's lack of brain cells 😆 [Sarcasm in case people miss it considering you know why 😆]

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Posted: 10 years ago

#148

LOL how DesiG and my reply resonanted at the same frequency...

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Posted: 10 years ago

#149

Originally posted by: blue-ice

People say...restricting the FOS is a slippery slope...not using the FOS responsibly is also a slippery slope...so what is the girl supposed to do to a douche who makes a dirty lewd comment on her body...let it go in the name of FOS??

@bold: But it is a JOKE BI. The girl has to be a prude if she is offended! 😆

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return_to_hades

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Posted: 10 years ago

#150

Originally posted by: desigal90
It' simple, once freedom of speech impinges on someone else's rights, it has to stop.
FOS is a slippery slope as well. Humans being are social animals, but we need to be regulated and have some kinda system placed on our head.

India is a complex country because it has such a wide array of cultures within it. There are super liberals residing next door to conservatives. That doesn't mean that the liberal has the right to insult the more conservative citizen's sentiments. We have to be more responsible. (Yes I realize Aamir is guilty of the same with PK. I'm not defending Aamir here)

AIB's content in the US wouldn't even be an issue. It's a different culture and society.
it's simple, nudity in films is allowed and taken in a different content in the states. Women wearing bikinis on the beach is the norm.

In India, the clothing and speech, and content of media has to be geared towards the masses.

There's no need to rush towards either conservative or liberal extremes. But in India it's a complicated gradient. Where does one end and the other begins.

It's not shocking that some celebs are opposed to AIB and while others are in support. All of them should be allowed to give their honest opinions, yes even Aamir. Even if it makes him a hypocrite. As long as he's not insulting a person directly or mocking or degrading their talent. Its the same as, insult Aamir's film, insult PK, but don't insult HIM. Don't take away from his profession. Aamir didn't insult comedians worldwide did he? Did he say comedians are less talented than actors?

Russel Peters can't just stand there and saying things like, "Aamir Khan is not even an artist, he just reads lines" in the name of Freedom of Speech and get away unscathed. He will bear the backlash and that's why people are telling him to shut up on this forum. If he had just stopped call Aamir a hypocrite that would be a different issue because you're speaking in context of the situation. But what does Aamir's profession as an actor have to do anything? Was that necessary?

That doenst mean we literally want the government to LITERALLY shut him up. It's just an expression

There are two separate considerations here.

As human beings we do have ethical and moral responsibility to be considerate. Ideally, what we say shouldn't hurt or offend others. We should try to reasonably sort differences and be harmonious. These would be sociological and ethical concerns. Free speech on the other hand is a democratic issue. Most democratic constitutions give people a very wide degree of rights and freedoms to express themselves. These rights should not be curbed by the sensibilities of one group, no matter how big or small.

Whether PK hurts religions sentiments, whether the AIB roast was grossly offensive, whether Hindi movies should have gaalis are all moral and ethical issues. These are subjective concerns. We all have various tolerance levels and draw a separate line. And everyone does have to express their moral perception. Whether such things should be banned, censored, be considered criminal is a legal concern. These are objective concerns. The is intended to equally protect everyone from saying what they want irrespective of whom they offend or make fun off.

The reason the AIB roast became such a controversy (so did PK) is because people overreached their ethical and moral grounds. It hit a point where people tried imposing their moral view on others. Just because one group found something offensive they tried to shut it down and deny others the right to enjoy it. Aamir Khan, Russel Peters, Subhash Jha, pretty much everyone is now a snowball affect of what transpired that week after the roast went online.

People have the freedom to agree or disagree with people involved on a moral basis. But we need to expect each person is exercising their right to free speech.

Yes, India is a country of vast diversity. We have a great mix of cultures and moral opinions living together. For the most part it is impressive how Indians get along considering how radically different two neighbors can be. I don't advocate for liberals to disrespect or insult conservative people and their sentiments. That is not the intent. At the same time though, I feel that the conservative morals in India are insisting on stifling liberals and denying them certain freedom. A girl doesn't wear a bikini to a beach, she doesn't smoke or drink in public, she keeps her relationship hush hush, these are all things we take as common sense and granted given the culture in India. At the same time these are all instances where conservative morals are forcefully dictating the liberal population to behave in a certain way. Perhaps raunchy jokes and insult comedy are not acceptable to most people in India. But there is a group of people in India who enjoy such things. Their right to engage in such entertainment shouldn't be stifled. Culture makes a good moral argument, but doesn't hold when it comes to denying people their right.

I think it is possible to maintain your personal culture, morals and ethics while allowing other people the freedom to interact how they want. This isn't saying India should westernize or do everything the west does. It is just asking the ability to embrace the fact that we all will have radically different morals and no one persons moral compass should be forced upon another.

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