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Posted: 10 years ago
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1. We are only giving legitimacy to extremists when we associate them with any religion . Extremist in all religions themselves claiming they are fighting for religion and when we blame their religion instead of them then certainly that legitimize their claim that they are fighting-propagating for that religion .

For eg. when we blame Islam for the act of fanatic group ISIS then we are just giving justification for them that they are fighting for their religion.

2. I don't know what quaran or islam says but certainly it depend how people in that faith interpret that . Just for eg in the paris incident ISIS motivated perpetrator , police officer whom they murdered while he was countering them and the person who hide other in freezer by saving them from terrorist all of them are having same identity of Islam. Now how will we identify them , shall we say those perpetrator are representing Islam and problem is in their faith rather than in them , groups like ISIS who themselves claim they are true representation of islam .

3. Before IS certainly there were different kind of faith even atheist were there in IRAQ. So also population who carry the Islam , we did not witness the same thing like IS among them . After all those people are the same , and i am sure many follow the same religion as like IS group.

Just for eg. of IS ,
like ISIS target is against people of other faith
then against in their own sub branch like shia vs. sunni
then against in their own sub branch sufi and other branches.
then against people having the same identity that they claim who differ with them .
Are they representing islam here as they claim ? shall we blame the group or identity they carry?

My opinion is still when we blame their religion that they claim they are representing we are only helping them to legitimate their claim and in their power struggle . Its better to counter them by snatching their identity and cause they claim fighting for instead legitimising their claim.

I am not aware what same kind of other organisation were there before Al qaueda, ISIS . Religion always used as a tool to grab power and i think this fanatic phenomenon is of recent past few years of say 25 years in their power struggle so also interference of other countries in those region.


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Posted: 10 years ago
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I dont think its about religion.. I think its more cultural thing... Even extremist Hindus exist in India... Although they are less in number.. but that doesnt mean a section of us Hindus doesnt try to dominate and suppress lower caste ppl or those from other religions! It does...its a fact! If they had their way, they wud convert all Muslims, Christians to Hindus... another fact is also that other religions are not exactly innocent...there are enough Christian and Muslim missionaries who try to influence this!

However, not blaming Islam, but Arabic culture where women were married at early ages and polygamy was allowed! In those extreme phase and degraded position of women in society, Islam as a religion emerged where women's position in society was intended to be uplifted! But probably those who adopted Islam, some of them did not understand it properly! They still take their culture as part of their religion...and thus keep on oppressing the women, the minority and the children! Islam was always meant to be religion of peace...When it talks about kafir, it says a non believer in God and not non believer in Islam... they only condemned atheists and not people of other religion... Even when Islamic rule started in India, Brahmins very permitted to not pay Jiziya bcoz they were the priests who were believers of God and were closer to God! However, later even they were made to pay Jiziya!

The point is, its the human intentions that ruined the religion and not vice versa.. Religion was always made to bring people closer, to give them a sense of belonging... and not prove the superiority of religion! But the humans totally spoiled it! And Im not saying Islam or any religion is perfect, because its not... No religion is perfect... Being a Hindu, even we have so many evils like dowry etc in our religion.. .so does Islam... But its the people with corrupted minds who have really ruined it, and not their religion! For instance, in Islam, its the system of reverse dowry...the husband has to pay a certain amount.. But what has it lead to? In places like Afghanistan, fathers almost sell their daughters for sake of money even though the money was supposed to be of girl's for her future!

Organizations like ISIS or Boko Haram basically dont work for Islam or God. Their sole purpose is to gain power in the name of religion. They have some twisted brains, can be called psychopaths. But the fact of the matter is they use religion as a shield to do their dirty deeds... And these people ruin the name of all other Muslims... However, sweeping them under the carpet and dissociating with them wont really help as well! They are not true Muslims, but sure they are using religion as a shield! If only all Muslims could stand up to them then the problem wont exist... It exists bcoz either some believe in them and their theory, or others just sweep it under the rug! Its the need for the latter ones to actually address the issue and sort out a solution...especially those living in ISIS areas or others as well coz a lot of Europians etc are also being recruited! You guys need to stand up and say ISIS is wrong!
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Religions are based on violence and Bloodshed.Its a fact. Its at least true for the three main religions in the world. About extremism...it depends on your interpretation and sensibility. Islam or hinduism or any religion, can be peaceful or violent...depends on one's motives and IQ. So tagging just islam as inherently violent religion...thats f**king wrong because christianity hasnt been tagged like this even though they havekilled more people than any other religion in their wars,nor Hinduism is blamed as a inhuman religion because the way it treats women and Shudras. So blaming only islam...thats wrong. However the only solution can be provided by the sole understanding...that the terrorists, from any point areny for islam or muslims welfare,its their own motives which make them do these crimes, and before anyone its muslims who need to understand this because at least the majority of terrorists (those who fight directly,are in suicide attacks) come from normal people who are brainwashed, because the price of their stupidityhas to be paid by innocent people,including muslims also.
And more abt religion..,pehle thappa dhoondho,phir kuch karo
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Posted: 10 years ago
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This topic involves religion which is a sensitive and controversial topic, it is the reason we do not allow these type of discussions to take place. This topic is now closed

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