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Posted: 10 years ago
We can't condem whole of Islam cause of these fools . When I do something bad I don't hide behind religion . If these jokers do than their psychotic . No religion makes people do bad things . They do them cause they want to . I'm a Pakistani Muslim and I wouldn't wanna be condemned cause of it . Rather be condemned cause I tend to do under handed things 😆 😆 😆 But when I do it's my fault not any religions . Same way here these people are at fault not their religion or country .
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Posted: 10 years ago
The article is not stopping from Muslims to condemn an atrocious act. It's asking to stop assuming that Muslims are sympathetic until they voice their opinion. Therein lies the difference. It's obvious that they (like anyone with a pea sized brain) condemn the killing of an innocent child. It's wrong to make a community/race/gender feel apologetic for an act committed, because they happen to share an identifiable trait with the wrong doer. I refuse to assume that Indians approve of the Gujrat Massacre because they have elected Modi as their leader and happen to identify with him.
Edited by kitkataha - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
Many are talking about an article.. can any one please repost it
P.S: completely agree with blue ice and some other members. Muslims need to voice it out loud that they are totally against terrorism and prove it with necessary verses of Quran which state that Islam and terrorism have no link whatsoever.


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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: Piranhas

its the law of karma. what goes around comes around. isi and the pakistan army actively helped the Let terrorists to attack mumbai and kill hundreds of innocent lives. And now the smae people have turned their guns on their own children and killed them with such brutality.

all pakistani channels are happily showing hafiz saeed blaming india for what happened. this is the same man who was the master mind behind the Mumbai blasts. has anyone questioned how the terrorists entered such a fortiefied school so easily? and how they knew the layout of the school so well? it was an army school, heavily protected. this can only mean that someone from inside had helped these people to gain entry and kill those children.

a good tale suitable here
Son: Dad, why we have kept the snake in our backyard? Why we are feeding it?

Dad: So that it bites our neighbor and contribute in the freedom struggle of our brothers.

Son: What if the snake bites our own children?

Dad: Then its called the Bad Snake and the neighbor's agent
Edited by AafatKiGoli - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
Following is the article draw own conclusion.

There's a certain ritual that each and every one of the world's billion-plus Muslims, especially those living in Western countries, is expected to go through immediately following any incident of violence involving a Muslim perpetrator. It's a ritual that is continuing now with the Sydney hostage crisis, in which a deranged self-styled sheikh named Man Haron Monis took several people hostage in a downtown caf.

Here is what Muslims and Muslim organizations are expected to say: "As a Muslim, I condemn this attack and terrorism in any form."

This expectation we place on Muslims, to be absolutely clear, is Islamophobic and bigoted. The denunciation is a form of apology: an apology for Islam and for Muslims. The implication is that every Muslim is under suspicion of being sympathetic to terrorism unless he or she explicitly says otherwise. The implication is also that any crime committed by a Muslim is the responsibility of all Muslims simply by virtue of their shared religion. This sort of thinking " blaming an entire group for the actions of a few individuals, assuming the worst about a person just because of their identity " is the very definition of bigotry.

It is time for that ritual to end: non-Muslims in all countries, and today especially those in Australia, should finally take on the correct assumption that Muslims hate terrorism just as much as they do, and cease expecting Muslims to prove their innocence just because of their faith.

Bigoted assumptions are the only plausible reason for this ritual to exist, which means that maintaining the ritual is maintaining bigotry. Otherwise, we wouldn't expect Muslims to condemn Haron Monis " who is clearly a crazy person who has no affiliations with formal religious groups " any more than we would expect Christians to condemn Timothy McVeigh. Similarly, if someone blames all Jews for the act of, say, extremist Israeli settlers in the West Bank, we immediately and correctly reject that position as prejudiced. We understand that such an accusation is hateful and wrong " but not when it is applied to Muslims.

This is, quite literally, a different set of standards that we apply only to Muslims. Hend Amry, who is Libyan-American, brilliantly satirized this expectation with this tweet, highlighting the arbitrary expectations about what Muslims are and are not expected to condemn:

This ritual began shortly after September 2001. American Muslims, as well as Muslims in other Western countries, feared that they could be victims to a public backlash against people of their religion. President George W. Bush feared this as well and gave a speech imploring Americans to embrace Muslim-Americans as fellow citizens. But while the short-term need to guard against a backlash was real, that moment has passed, and the ritual's persistence is perpetuating Islamophobia rather than reducing it, by constantly reminding us of our assumption that Muslims are guilty until proven innocent.

The media has played a significant role in maintaining this ritual and thus the prejudiced ideas behind it. Yes, that includes openly Islamophobic cable news hosts like those in the US. But it also includes even well-intentioned media outlets and reporters who broadcast Muslims' and Muslim organizations' condemnation of acts of extremist violence, like the hostage crisis in Sydney.

There is no question that this coverage is explicitly and earnestly designed to combat Islamophobia and promote equal treatment of Muslims. No question. All the same, this coverage ends up cementing the ritual condemnation as a necessary act, and thus cementing as well the racist implications of that ritual. By treating it as news every time, the media is reminding its readers and viewers that Muslims are held to a different standard; it is implicitly if unintentionally reiterating the idea that they are guilty until proven innocent, that maybe there is something to the idea of collective Muslim responsibility for lone criminals who happen to share their religion.

Instead, we should treat the assumptions that compel this ritual " that Muslims bear collective responsibility, that they are presumed terrorist-sympathizers until proven otherwise " as flatly bigoted ideas with no place in our society. There is no legitimate reason for Muslim groups to need to condemn Haron Monis, nor is there any legitimate reason to treat those condemnations as news. So we should stop.

We should treat people like Haron Monis as what he is: a deranged lunatic. And we should treat Muslims as what they are: normal people who of course reject terrorism, rather than as a lesser form of humanity that is expected to reject violence every time it happens.

http://www.vox.com/2014/12/15/7394223/muslims-condemn-terrorism-sydney
Edited by Bazigar - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: AafatKiGoli

a good tale suitable here
Son: Dad, why we have kept the snake in our backyard? Why we are feeding it?

Dad: So that it bites our neighbor and contribute in the freedom struggle of our brothers.

Son: What if the snake bites our own children?

Dad: Then its called the Bad Snake and the neighbor's agent



Yes indeed a good tale we should consider terrorist like hafiz sayeed as reliable and only voice of pakistan.
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Posted: 10 years ago
^^^
This thread used for discussing religion , countries , and all universe . Without any long debate i can only say

1. When we try to quote and rely on hafiz sayeed words may be we consider him and giving more importance to his views. Its ur own look out how politician their react to him. I just consider hifiz sayeed rambling is as like rambling of praveen togadia and nothing more.

2. Yes a lot of terrorists elements nurtured there so also pakistan targeted by it. For its own good it should act against them. May be saying karma of it is like saying US nurtured taliban so 9/11 is justifiable as per karma , a most ridiculous proposition to draging religion here and even twisting bhagavad gita.

3. When u believe those terrorists when they claim they did mumbai attack for religion (its other thing in mumbai attack a large number of victim were also muslim) . If you believe them then those terrorists who landed in Mumbai also claimed they are doing divine justice for babri demolition , mumbai riots, gujarat riots blah blah . Justifying a terror with another act of terror in the name of justice is words of terrorists rather then it should be yours or mine.

In your twisted version of karma you may forget that In bhagavad gita no where mentioned fruit of karma of one person will be bear by another person.
Edited by Bazigar - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: Piranhas

^ pakistan is protecting hafiz saeed and letting him live and roam around freely in lahore. even though india has given ample proof that he was the one behind the mumbai attacks. If this is the not the endorsement of terrorism, then please tell me what is?

if pakistan had any responsibility at least one politician would have condemned what hafiz saeed said but they are quiet becuase they want to protect the taliban and put all the blame on india.
what ever happened in peshwar is very sad, but pakistan had it coming for a very long time. they thought that they would encourage taliban, so that they continue mounting attacks on innocent indians forgetting that even they had ordinary men woman and children living in their country who could become the target.
see what happened? this is indeed divine justice. you sow what you reap. dont know what quran says but what bhagvad geeta says has come true in front of the whole world. no one can escpae their karma. be it a person a society or a country. this incident is nothing but gods way of punishing pakitan for mumbai blasts. and unlike in the mumbai attack it is not about religion here the muslims only have killed their own people.



new news-pak court bail to 26/11 accused zakir rehman lakhvi👏


This is how Pakistan is going to fight terrorism?👏

This bail granted to a dreaded terrorist shows that all claims of Pakistan that it is not supporting terrorism in its soil, is false. That country leaders tell something and do against their own telling.If by telling lie problems can be resolved, then there is no need for any action.Good Taliban (those who attack Indians & Afghans) vs Bad Taliban (those who attack Pakistan). Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi is former, so gets bail.

@bold-i dont believe in these types of justice.no one desrves to die in terrorist attacks not even my enemy.


Edited by AafatKiGoli - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: Piranhas

^ pakistan is protecting hafiz saeed and letting him live and roam around freely in lahore. even though india has given ample proof that he was the one behind the mumbai attacks. If this is the not the endorsement of terrorism, then please tell me what is?

if pakistan had any responsibility at least one politician would have condemned what hafiz saeed said but they are quiet becuase they want to protect the taliban and put all the blame on india.
what ever happened in peshwar is very sad, but pakistan had it coming for a very long time. they thought that they would encourage taliban, so that they continue mounting attacks on innocent indians forgetting that even they had ordinary men woman and children living in their country who could become the target.
see what happened? this is indeed divine justice. you sow what you reap. dont know what quran says but what bhagvad geeta says has come true in front of the whole world. no one can escpae their karma. be it a person a society or a country. this incident is nothing but gods way of punishing pakitan for mumbai blasts. and unlike in the mumbai attack it is not about religion here the muslims only have killed their own people.


@ Red : so true ! .. Islamic countries like Pakistan have been a safe haven for extremists since a long time now & have been troubling the world.. this is not to blame the religion Islam but the issue needs to be addressed.. why such countries are soft on extremists is a mix & match of a lot of factors - administrative drawbacks , political interests , fear , religious association .. this issue is complex , lethal & worrisome for our planet .. if these countries do not take sufficient measures against the current predicament prevailing in the country , i am afraid that there will be no choice but for the other countries to take matters into their hands & protect the world .. and whenever it comes to that , it paves way for more ugly incidents .. worrisome indeed ...

@ Blue : Please , i can only request people to refrain from making such comments.. a religious clash is the last thing this sensitive topic needs .. its counterproductive..

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@ the article : The topic of the article was absurd but the body of the article did make sense to me.. stereotyping anyone is utterly unfair .. in fact this is what worries me .. if this approach continues it would further isolate the Muslim community from the world .. and that should be avoided for many many reasons because it paves way for a dangerous cyclical chain of events .. you stereotype someone , that someone is isolated , the isolated people would seek comfort & support among their kind , this further sows seeds for a negative world view among the isolated community & it further strengthens the extremists' agenda ..this should be avoided at any cost .. i can see the hints of it already in my home state Kerala , the Muslim community here is very very religious & a tightly Knit community , they arrange mass prayers whenever something horrible happens in Islamic countries but none of this concern is seen whenever something horrible happens in one's own country or one's own home state.. so this kind of communal isolation is kind of worrisome in my opinion .. makes one question , where does their good-will lie ? ..one's own country , one's own state or exclusively limited to one's own religion ?.. i think this general approach of Muslims that isolates them from their surroundings into their own religion is what further encourages people to hold them accountable for an explanation whenever Islamic extremists strike.. i think both the community & the rest of the world is at fault here .. both must try to think beyond the religious boundaries & not encourage this kind of isolating mentality..

@ Muslim folks here .. all i can say is i will try my best & encourage others around me to refrain from making such utterly unfair judgments .. but i want some answers from Muslim folks here .. i had already asked this question several times & the answer pretty much was - Islam is a peace loving religion .. so far you have quoted beautiful peaceful messages from Quran , if only those freaks ever bothered to read it they wouldnt be doing what they did in the name of the religion - their acts clearly are anti- Islamic , i have no doubts in this case , but can you please quote the instances from Quran which you think might have been misinterpreted by these extremists ?.. and please no glossing over ,😳 .. please try & quote every instance from Quran if possible which you think these extremists might be using & then present your opinion on it ..no cheating 😳.. also i want to know , again honest opinion please 😳 , what does Islam really teach its followers about people who follow religions other than Islam ?.. i for one have heard some not-so-good opinions that Islam has about other religions , you might have already read it in this thread.. enlighten me please.. 😃
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Posted: 10 years ago
I don't understand why india rape incident is given as an example to this incident here . And for people giving it and saying all muslims should condemn it like india condemned it , Can i ask them how they know that all ordinary muslims are not condemning it ??? does every muslim in the world need to come and prove it that they are against it , for that matter i couldn't see every single indian population condemning rape cases b , which ofcourse are still happening ???
Any social networking site, media, newspaper , word of mouth all i see is everybody condemning it , forwading messages , sharing and re-sharing it , i don't know what more is needed.

I am an indian muslim and i condemned rapes and i condemn any sort of terrorist attack but i am sorry i am not going to be apologetic for somebody who is screwed and who have a diff ideology nor am i going to have a second thought on my faith because i am very clear that my faith doesn't justify killing innocents .

Irony is that these animals are killing majority of the muslims only still its muslims who are being questioned, majority of the attcks by them have muslim victims be it 26/11, 9/11 or 16/12. Sometimes the reason is to punish army , sometimes their reason is to punish western leaders who invaded their country , sometimes reason is just a revenger or just to show their power but still its always muslims/islam the easy target because nobody dares to mess with these monsters even those who created them in the 1st place.

I still believe that instead of religious reasons , its more of political / geographical reason for all this turmoil and its all connected but that's a debate i don't want to get into.



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