Did Yash Chopra create sympathy for SRK in Darr?

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Posted: 11 years ago

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The tagline of Darr is "A Violent Love Story". It wasn't your run-of-the-mill love stories. It was about an obsessive person who happens to fall in love with someone who is already in love with someone else.

Also, obsession always has a psychological reasoning behind it. I doubt Yash Chopra put that "dead mother" in there just to get SRK's character sympathy.

Also, I really believe that Yash Chopra always had this story in mind with Rahul being the centre of the movie not Kiran or Sunny's character. Isn't that why he offered it to various people, even Sunny Deol? So if Sunny goes and bashes YC then it's his own fault. Apparently, Sunny was asked to choose between Rahul and Sunil, he chose Sunil because of whatever reason. If it were just a normal love story, I think YC might have dropped the movie or changed the character Rahul just to have his first pick do that role or changed the dates around.

I don't remember Darr, to be honest, but I do remember the storyline, the main gist of it. Also, obsession doesn't always mean that it would lead to X raping their target of obsession. Rape and Murder in obsession come as a last resort when stalking and such are not turning out how X thought they would. It's never without any reason - it could be change in brain chemistry like a tumour or a behavioural or emotional issue e.g. loved one dying.

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Originally posted by: CarrotCake
Bollywood tends to almost always add an angle that creates sympathy for the obsessive lover. It usually happens when a leading actor who usually plays the 'hero' takes up a villainous role.

Check SRK's filmography, I don't think any of the movies he did before Baazigar and Darr made him the "typical hero". Sure, his movies in 1992-early 1993 might have got him recognition but not to the extent that YC, a well reputed director and producer, would change a character just to please a no-name star (back then).

If Darr were made post 2005 and you had said this then your point might have value as SRK post-2005 reached his peak (or was it before then?) so a director/producer changing a anti-hero character into a well-liked-villian would be more plausible. Not back in 1993 when Darr was made and released.

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Was googling Darr and Sunny Deol; Found this old interview.

If you were to restart your career, which mistakes would you avoid?
Sunny Deol: Darr. The making of the film was the worst experience of my life. I was sick of the manipulations and lies. One day in Switzerland, I was so angry that when I stuffed my hands into the pockets, I ripped the jeans I was wearing.

Would you work with Yash Chopra again?
Sunny Deol: I'll never work with Yash Chopra again. He isn't a man of his words. I don't have good memories about him, he betrayed
my faith in him.

http://www.indicine.com/forum/stars/sunny-deol-interview-on-yash-chopra-and-srk/

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Originally posted by: Me_Anonymous

Check SRK's filmography, I don't think any of the movies he did before Baazigar and Darr made him the "typical hero". Sure, his movies in 1992-early 1993 might have got him recognition but not to the extent that YC, a well reputed director and producer, would change a character just to please a no-name star (back then).

If Darr were made post 2005 and you had said this then your point might have value as SRK post-2005 reached his peak (or was it before then?) so a director/producer changing a anti-hero character into a well-liked-villian would be more plausible. Not back in 1993 when Darr was made and released.

In Bollywood, villains often have a back story as to why they turned negative. My post wasn't about SRK specifically. Adding an emotional angle works well because the Indian audiences lap it up.

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I mentioned rape or beating because Juhi was dressed in a rather revealing outfit plus SRK used to fantasise about her in wet sarees or running his hands over her bare back and midriff.

And she was resisting him a lot when he came on the boat and told her that Sunny was dead and revealed his identity as her stalker to her.

The way he stops fighting Sunny and starts taking all beating just because Juhi says she wants him dead and he realises she does not want him, asks for forgiveness and professes love creates sympathy for him.

Even his sad talks and Ghalib shayari before the climax.

I am learning for the first time that Sunny Deol was given a choice to play Rahul! Never heard of it before.😕

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Aamir Khan was supposed to be a part of this film, too.

"Do you regret your decision of walking out of Darr? One, I did not walk out of Darr. I was removed from the film. Two, I was removed from the film because I asked for a joint narration with Sunny Deol. Initially, the director agreed, but later I don't know why he changed his mind. When I persisted, he phoned to say 'Aamir, let's work some other time.' So I said, 'Fine'."

http://www.pinkvilla.com/entertainment/interviews/ill-never-work-yash-chopra-aamir-khan-1994-interview

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...And Aamir said exactly the same thing as Sunny!

"Would you work with Yash Chopra again? No. I'll never work with him. Not after this incident. Our styles of working are different."

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Originally posted by: CarrotCake

In Bollywood, villains often have a back story as to why they turned negative. My post wasn't about SRK specifically. Adding an emotional angle works well because the Indian audiences lap it up.

Okay😊.

If you are saying in general, then it happens in HW too. Who would go and watch a movie when a character's actions are not explained, be it positive or negative? We are human beings and if someone does something we always want to know "why". It's not just the Indian audiences who prefer an emotional angle.

Think about it in real life. Does anyone start their life with a mind-set like "I'll do all the wrong things I can while I live"? No. Unless of course they were born as psychopaths and the environment around them further helped them become sociopaths too. Like Dexter, for instance, he is a psychopath. In that show his reasoning for killing people is given. He kills them because he doesn't feel for them. He kills murderers, rapists, etc. because in his own version of morality he is getting rid of the "evil" while satiating his own desires to torture and kill someone else. It's the public that feels sympathy for him because in their opinion "evil people need to be dealt with if the law can't each them".

So it's not just BW who given a back story to negative characters even if it is portrayed by a well-known actor.

One more thing, if a villainous character is just flat with nothing to it then which actor would do it? Forget popular stars/actors, even no known actors wouldn't touch a role which they don't think has any substance.

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^^ It's true that other film industries do it, too, but I just feel like it's done more in BW then anywhere else.

For example, there are various remakes in which this is common. I watched Ek Villain recently, and the serial killer in that had a strong emotional angle. But in the original I Saw the Devil, the serial killer is pure evil.

The makers of the film Deewangee, which was a remake of Primal Fear, also did this to some extent.

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I don't remember Darr like I mentioned in my earlier post so I don't know about Rahul's fantasies. I'd still say what I said earlier, for a stalker, their target of obsession remains in their fantasy and its in their fantasy that they think they have a "relationship" with them even to the extent of having a "physical relationship". Crossing from that fantasy world to actually harming that person even when they are within easy reach means something triggering that response. It's not like they just decide to cross that boundry one day and voila. I am not justifying stalking or any lewd behaviour just that progression from stalking to actual harm means some sort of event happened and that's too in very extreme cases.

About Rahul not fighting back: reading it again now in your post, it doesn't make sense to me. Unless Rahul was experiencing some sort of mental breakdown that Juhi's character reached to him on an emotional level (as he was coming out of this mental breakdown) and he asked for forgiveness and didn't retaliate when Sunil was beating him. That does seem sketchy. So I see what you're trying to say. Like someone else mentioned before it could have been after all the rejection that YC faced over Rahul that he decided to add more layers to it to show all those that his written character had much more substance than they had thought or it could be that he had something else in mind and it wasn't coming out well on paper.

Did Yash Chopra ever explain how he came about Rahul? As in how the story developed in his mind and what, if any, research did he do when writing Rahul. It was written in early 1990s (I am guessing) and behavioural science wasn't developed as much back then as it is now so I guess that could explain such contradiction in Rahul's behaviour.

Poetry is used by people to express their emotions. I know not the best example but in The Following they use Byron's poetry about eyes and gouging them out because "eyes are the path to the soul" or something. My point is poetry and such literature works are used by psychopaths, murders, etc. to justify their actions to themselves and to the rest of the world.

Its on wikipedia about Sunny being offered Rahul. I do remember reading somewhere else before that Sunny chose to do Sunil as he thought people wouldn't like him in a negative role and that Sunil would win the accolades instead of Rahul. Also, I don't know how true it is but apparently (it says on wikipedia) that Aamir asked SRK to think about Rahul and then SRK contacted Yash Chopra about Darr but the choice was first given to Sunny to choose between the two characters and Sunny chose Sunil so Rahul went to SRK.

Coming to your initial question, I don't know anymore. I don't think YC set out with the intention to create symptahy for Rahul but it might have turned out that way.

How long was Darr, anyways? I can't watch movies longer than 1 hr 45 minutes. If they are longer than that I tend to skip scenes.

p.s. thank you for posting a good discussion topic. Discussion threads on valid topics are very rare on BW section these days so it's good to see some interesting topics😃.

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