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Posted: 16 years ago
#41

Originally posted by: kunataanya

why is karan johar still allowed to make films? because unfortunately people do watch his films and however unimaginable it may sound they actually like his movies!! 🤔 i have no idea how unbearable shams like kkhh, k3g and kank have been recieved so well by the audience... the man hasnt made even one decent movie... kkhh was silly and immature... k3g was preachy and filled with terrible acting... and kank had badly written characters...

i thought khnh was watchable but then it wasnt directed by k jo... same with dostana... there was absolutely nothing 'pathbreaking' in it.. but i dint find the premise of the movie offensive.. what i did find offensive and insensitive was how they showed the two guys manipulating a small child for their own gain... especially the child crying and the 'maa' track from tzp playing in the background.. how horrible!! 🤢 i dint find the two main characters mocking gay people... but really there was no need to show ALL the actual gay characters to be so flamboyant... boman irani was ok.. but the immigration officer and especially the gay soldier were really over the top and unneccesary... and of course the marriage law matter... i actually thought after watching the movie that gay marriages were legal in the US.. thats until i read about homosexual couples struggling to be accepted by the law there... one can hardly expect k jo and clan to do in depth research for their movies... but honestly this was a huge discripancy..
i really dont want to think what he's goin to do with a subject like terrorism... 😵 i hope some miracle happens and he manages to make a film which is atleast slightly bearable and not entirely insensitive and preachy... but i guess that would be asking for too
much...



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Wonderfully put! I absolutely agree, that as long as the audiences fuel the creation of such films, K-Jo and his cohorts will continue making regressive films. But I wonder, for how long he'll continue to doop the audiences? I don't expect the naive masses to undergo some sort of epiphany of some sort, but it appalls me that rarely anyone gets what K-Jo is trying to do.

And what's this I'm hearing? Not only is he making a film on terrorism, but he's making a film on a character who suffers from autism? 😲😲🤢

*Makes stabbing motion towards heart*

KILL ME NOW!

Terminal diseases are his trump card, I suppose. I sense another Rain Man ripoff... too late K-Jo! Subhash Ghai already tortured us enough with his horrendous version of RM.

K-Jo and co fail to understand that cinema is a medium where the imagination is excited to translate that which is human, empathetic, universal, courageous, inspiring, etc on celluloid - and not merely a commercial venture.

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Posted: 16 years ago
#42
i like K JO movies .. well made and full of entertainment .. great actors, great songs, unique stories ... better than watching the common repeated type bollywood mvies
about the gay issue, correct me if m wrong .. isnt K JO gay himself .. and manish maholtra 2?
Edited by nulz - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
#43
Kjo is still allowed to make movies coz
1) it is a free country 😊
2) he has the money ( he inherited his Dad's production company)😛
3) he has the right friends😉
4) he has a great PR and media relations😃
By making movies he proves the fact success and talent can be mutually exclusive...
😆
j/k... i actually liked his KHNH ( but wait , that was supposed to have been directed by Nikhil Advani)...and bits of KKKG...only bits ..😉...KANK was KJO's wannabe attempt into meaningful cinema which failed IMO
Dostana ..the less said the better....it was a lame, loud, obnoxious product ( LLO...that actually rhymes with KJO....)...so i have come a full circle and should stop before they issue a gag order!😉
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Posted: 16 years ago
#44

Originally posted by: TallyHo

Kjo is still allowed to make movies coz

1) it is a free country 😊
2) he has the money ( he inherited his Dad's production company)😛
3) he has the right friends😉
4) he has a great PR and media relations😃
By making movies he proves the fact success and talent can be mutually exclusive...
😆

😆😆😆 ashu, you never seem to fail... 😆
actually, as a person, i do not think karan is such a bad person... and i do not think we can go to the extent of calling him talentless either... if he really was talentless, his movies would not work... he knows what most people want and he exploits that, it's quite simple... more than a filmmaker, i think he is quite the businessman.... i don't mind because frankly, i have come a long way to start caring about such things...
and why just blame karan for being power hungry and all about fame...?? isn't more than half the industry in it for the money and fame.... 😕 that imo, is quite illogical and really baffles me... 🤓
now if we look at some other 'off-beat' directors, even those i have problems with... for example, i had the nerve to watch Dev D by Kashyap (because people said he had the GUTS to make that movie and it was different, etc. and it was a hit, so i was curious, LOL)... and that was not only a crapfest but a sleazefest as well... so you know... what to do... only a few 'off-beat' directors have done justice to their stories, imo... i like Vishal's movie... i guess one can call him 'unconventional' but i do think he is also 'mainstream', i think those are the technical terms...
only reason i prefer karan over kashyap and a few others is because most of his movies i can watch with family WITHOUT having to be embarrassed (with the exception of KANK and Dostana)... and for the fact that he knows the love angle well and tends to bring out wonderful chemistry between his leads... i feel most directors have their faults, so i have stopped nitpicking... 😆
nkapoor, for me, i am not questioning his ability to direct BUT lately he his subjects have gone more and more, how to say it, more cut off from reality... and i do think he has become somewhat repetitive over the course of his films... reason why i can't watch the movies without fast forwarding half of the scenes... i only watch scenes i like, rest well, good old FF button... fact remains that it is not realistic and sometimes it goes over the topic, but as audience, even if we can related to a few issues, i think that what makes his movies work... and sometimes, sadly, it works because people have certain prejudices and they see it on screen, for example, dostana... it worked because of the certain prejudice that exists in people's mind about gay people... obviously, it is not correct but how many people would think about such things...?? not many, because most of the audience watches movies as a source of entertainment and to relax, not think...!
[quote=roxthefox]Even the most brilliant of scripts can turn into craptastic films, given the wrong director. Yes, a tight screenplay is the backbone of any film, but a director who lacks vision, creativity and inspiration will take a great script no where.
There are very few filmmakers in India who have evolved to the point of understanding sensitive issues and portraying them without making a mockery out of the situation, and sadly, none of them are known to the mainstream audiences. [/quote]
completely agree with the first point... second point, i agree to most extent... i think most 'mainstream' directors are more focused on recovering the costs for the movies so they tend to be a little hatke from reality... and sadly, hardly anyone can portray sensitive issues without getting more than one fact wrong... there are way too many loopholes sometimes to digest... that's why in my earlier post, as i said, i don't mind as i take it as a piece of fiction... LOL... so i have tend to overlook this fact... needless to say, i have been majorly disappointed with the take on many sensitive issues so those movies in general, i tend to avoid, unless it comes highly recommended from certain close friends... 😳
[quote=*Huma*]I am not undermining his capibilities, but he seriously needs to come out the misconception that he has about NRIs (his target market) only appreciating gloss and glamour. Dude the NRIs dont go to watch your film coz of the concept or you, they go coz of SRK.😆 [/quote]
actually, it's not even a joke... it's quite true...! LOL... although, the movies have a certain appeal as most of his movies tend to be family oriented... and since most people being away from their families tend to relate to them, so it works, even if he uses one too many glycerin bottles... 😆😆
[quote=*Huma*]He has the best of actors to his dispense, he needs to start utilising them properly; he has SRK who is capable of delivering a power packed performance. One needs to just watch Kabhi ha kabhi na, Darr, Raju ban gaya.., and more recent Swades and Chak de..to see what a fine actor he can be if one is able to hone him in the right manner.

So KJo get out your green kuppa koffee and have a Koffee with Karan😉[/quote]
good one... 😉
i would give benefit of the doubt to him and i do think he'll make a good movie in MNIK... well, it also is a little bit of my bias because of SRK but most of the times he does have the right sense about stories... (barring his paheli in recent times).... commercial cinema works mostly because people tend to go for entertaining movies, and i don't per say mind them... i have watched Main Hoon Naa way more times than i have seen Swades and Chak De... not because he did better in that but because it's a funny movie... LOL...
[quote=roxthefox]And what's this I'm hearing? Not only is he making a film on terrorism, but he's making a film on a character who suffers from autism? 😲😲[/quote]
let's just keep our fingers crossed, shall we... 😉
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Posted: 16 years ago
#45

Originally posted by: TallyHo

Kjo is still allowed to make movies coz

1) it is a free country 😊Ah, I was waiting for the freedom of expression response. 😛 Yes, it's a free country, but he shouldn't violate his right to freedom of speech/expression. 😆
2) he has the money ( he inherited his Dad's production company)😛
3) he has the right friends😉
4) he has a great PR and media relations😃
By making movies he proves the fact success and talent can be mutually exclusive...
😆
j/k... i actually liked his KHNH ( but wait , that was supposed to have been directed by Nikhil Advani)...and bits of KKKG...only bits ..😉...KANK was KJO's wannabe attempt into meaningful cinema which failed IMO
Dostana ..the less said the better....it was a lame, loud, obnoxious product ( LLO...that actually rhymes with KJO....)...so i have come a full circle and should stop before they issue a gag order!😉

😆😆😆
Huma, I'll reply to your post in detail later!
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Posted: 16 years ago
#46
^How is he violating his rights by making movies that some people may not like? If you don't like it don't watch it. You can't prevent someone from making a movie....if there was a FIRE, KJO made Dostana (good or bad is a different question...I didn't like it myself). BUT people do seem to still watch his movies and love them....so of course he will continue to make movies!!! People make crappier movies in Bollywood and make money off it....if they can so can KJO!! Anyways I am not his fan...I only like his Kuch Kuch Hota Hai...but I do like his cheesiness and I do like him 😛


Edited by LifeOLicious - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
#47

Originally posted by: kunataanya

i really dont want to think what he's goin to do with a subject like terrorism... 😵 i hope some miracle happens and he manages to make a film which is atleast slightly bearable and not entirely insensitive and preachy... but i guess that would be asking for too
much...



Now if I have to criticize his movies...I like his melodrama...please nobody can make a scene look so dramatic with SRK getting off a chopper with Jaya B doing Pooja with background music...full on Kekta drama and nobody does it better but KJo...and I feel that is his strength. If you like melodrama his movies are good.

But then comes KANK (which I liked conceptually btw). His execution of that sensitive subject was bad and not to forget Sexy Sam!! It's like making the movie FIRE in Kekta style! YIKESSS!! His problem is he treats sensitive issues in a very amateur way. So I feel he should stick to melodrama...unless he really improves with MNIK (and I hope not to see some Sexy Aunty or sthg there!! 😆). If you are making a serious film, be serious.
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Posted: 16 years ago
#48
Well atleast he has the guts to make a film on homosexuality and even though it was a comedy, i do not think it was offensive to gays...abhi camped it up in parts but most of the time i thought they did a good job.

Alot of people seem to like his movies i do not know about the others reason i like his movies is , simple but good story has a good cast and songs..apart from that hes not like other film makers (namaste london coming to mind!) that attempts to make films about NRI and ends up making them look like idiots he goes to effort from the clothes to simple thing like the western cereal for example he puts on the tables.

I think its great that unlike what he could do and play it safe which is make more kkhh and k3g but instead hes trying kank, dostana etc...why was kank hated i see nothing wrong in that but people could not digest the fact he dealt with people having affairs which happens every day. You know not every marriage has a reason for breaking people do grow apart as much as i hate to say it being good does not make you immune.

I am sure he knows what he is doing...
Edited by AmritaRao-Nina - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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haha...Managed to catch up on the discussion and it made for an interesting read. Needless to say...some points I wholeheartedly agree with...but yeh...His movies...I like to think, seem to work because of the same reason Mindless Date Movies work in hollywood... they're a source of escapism.

About KANK...urrrrrrgh it really really really annoys me that KJO or SRK (who I have heard say it) can hide behind "it was an unconventional subject and so the audiences didn't accept it"...Um...haven't they seen Arth or Silsila or Daag etc etc...that was unconventional and that was yonks ago...way before KANK. So no...it wasn't unconventional, it was just a bad movie.
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Posted: 16 years ago
#50

Originally posted by: LabRat34

haha...Managed to catch up on the discussion and it made for an interesting read. Needless to say...some points I wholeheartedly agree with...but yeh...His movies...I like to think, seem to work because of the same reason Mindless Date Movies work in hollywood... they're a source of escapism.

About KANK...urrrrrrgh it really really really annoys me that KJO or SRK (who I have heard say it) can hide behind "it was an unconventional subject and so the audiences didn't accept it"...Um...haven't they seen Arth or Silsila or Daag etc etc...that was unconventional and that was yonks ago...way before KANK. So no...it wasn't unconventional, it was just a bad movie.

ratz, since when has ANYONE ever admitted to making a bad movie...?? be it any director or any actor... they all say it was special and close to my heart... 😆

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