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Posted: 7 years ago

#11

Originally posted by: TheBigTamasha
To me it's a sham...back when Vikas got a direct entry into semi-finale week n even now i just don't trust it...in fact i didn't trust it even during d Rising Star last season sab bakwaas hai lol...d whole purpose was add to Hina's insecurities who was as it is questioning her chances of winning d show after Vikas ka secret task...dey just want her to take d briefcase n leave so dat dey get deir dream pair in top 2... Rocky ne bhi guess kar liya yeh n hence d advise ki don't go for d briefcase lol

Intention of my post was to suggest how this works, keeping contestants aside. It puzzled me last time around and I had noted this in DDT last week itself, a person with absolute higher number of positive votes may lose in percentage term. And I didn't call it sham even then, but it's open to manipulation with certain nifty ideas.

Edited by lostloveforever - 7 years ago

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Posted: 7 years ago

#12

Originally posted by: I_M_SultaN
gupta get 71percent

but that was fake at that time

😆

Well, my post of past week highlights the fact a person with higher number of positive votes may lose in percentage terms against a person with lower number of absolute positive votes, whether people or different fandom's like it or not, this is how it works, calling it fake is the easiest excuse one can throw at and probably agli baar fir wahi galti Kare, apni apni choice...😊

Edited by lostloveforever - 7 years ago

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Posted: 7 years ago

#13

Originally posted by: lostloveforever

For calculating percentage, number of positive and negative votes count and total number of check in users is used to project it on screen on a real time basis.
Case A : 35/(35+5) multiplied by 100.
Case B: 35/(35+65) multiplied by 100.

Hope it clarifies.

ok ... I should have written 60 in the "no" option in the second example... 😳😆

anyways ... i got what u are saying...😃

but one more question- here we considered the check in votes to be 100, how would it change the results if the check in votes were ...let's say, 1000, and the rest of the data was the same..i.e as my previous 2 scenarios...

p.s I hope I'm not bothering you ...😳

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Posted: 7 years ago

#14

@lostloveforever Explanation doge bhi phir bhi kahenge rigged ya phir unfair 🤣

Isse achcha chup hi raho 😆

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Posted: 7 years ago

#15

Originally posted by: NathuPyare

ok ... I should have written 60 in the "no" option in the second example... 😳😆

anyways ... i got what u are saying...😃

but one more question- here we considered the check in votes to be 100, how would it change the results if the check in votes were ...let's say, 1000, and the rest of the data was the same..i.e as my previous 2 scenarios...

p.s I hope I'm not bothering you ...😳

Suppose there are 100 yes votes and not a single NO vote for 1000 checked in till (end moment-2) seconds, so simplistic form, the percentage cannot fall below 10%, so that's where it will stable at on the screen and suppose at last moment another 100 NO votes arrive. Final result will be 50% and indicator will zoom fast in last two seconds. I have used borderline scenario to explain it, but I am sure the movement of indicator can be expressed in terms of differential equation as a function if time, not sharp enough on that to formulate it, and that can used for display function.

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Posted: 7 years ago

#16

Originally posted by: lostloveforever

Suppose there are 100 yes votes and not a single NO vote for 1000 checked in till (end moment-2) seconds, so simplistic form, the percentage cannot fall below 10%, so that's where it will stable at on the screen and suppose at last moment another 100 NO votes arrive. Final result will be 50% and indicator will zoom fast in last two seconds. I have used borderline scenario to explain it, but I am sure the movement of indicator can be expressed in terms of differential equation as a function if time, not sharp enough on that to formulate it, and that can used for display function.

but this is where it gets a bit confusing -

100 votes (and not a single no vote) out of 1000 = 10%...and the percentage cannot fall below 10%

but isn't addition of 100 'no' votes actually increasing the final percentage to 50%, which would have otherwise been stuck to 10% if there were not a single 'no' vote? 😕

probably i should just leave this... lagta hai mujhe samajh nahi aana...😆😳

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Posted: 7 years ago

#17

Originally posted by: lostloveforever
Hina fans who probably didn't bother to check in and vote against Shilpa, helped Shilpa win so massively in today's poll. Poll is not based on absolute number of votes but it's a percentage. So Hina with higher number of absolute positive votes may lose in percentage terms to Shilpa with lower number of positive votes, depending upon how many negative votes were polled for each. For explanation please refer to my post of last week.

"Suppose if five persons check in for vikas and except one everyone votes for him, means in percentage terms he is 80%.. But suppose in case of Priyank ten people check in and only seven vote for him and three against, then he gets only 70%, even though he got more number of votes in absolute terms. This system is open to manipulations on so many level and that's why they didn't revel the exact calculation details"

Thank u for explaining it so clearly..
r fan groups aware ke wo apne fav ko vote yes kare aur non-fav ko vote no kare?

tho Hina ke fans just Hina ko yes vote kare honge..
while other fans dono jagah kuch na kuch vote kare honge..
ye smart aur cunning process hai..

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Posted: 7 years ago

#18

Originally posted by: NathuPyare

but this is where it gets a bit confusing -

100 votes (and not a single no vote) out of 1000 = 10%...and the percentage cannot fall below 10%

but isn't addition of 100 'no' votes actually increasing the final percentage to 50%, which would have otherwise been stuck to 10% if there were not a single 'no' vote? 😕

probably i should just leave this... lagta hai mujhe samajh nahi aana...😆😳

See, theoretically total number of votes cannot exceed checked in users. So (YES votes)/(Number if checked in users) will be the minimum percentage below which it won't go. So I'm not saying they use display formula as suggested by me, I'm just trying to explain sudden movement theorising on some assumptions. Their algorithm to display current vote percentage will be highly optimised one I guess.

Display formula and final percentage formula are different for us layman. But in ideal scenario display formula as a function of time will lead to final percentage for a contestant on completion of alloted time for voting.

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Posted: 7 years ago

#19

Originally posted by: lostloveforever

See, theoretically total number of votes cannot exceed checked in users. So (YES votes)/(Number if checked in users) will be the minimum percentage below which it won't go. So I'm not saying they use display formula as suggested by me, I'm just trying to explain sudden movement theorising on some assumptions. Their algorithm to display current vote percentage will be highly optimised one I guess.
Display formula and final percentage formula are different for us layman. But in ideal scenario display formula as a function of time will lead to final percentage for a contestant on completion of alloted time for voting.

but 100 yes votes & 100 no votes out of a total of 1000 votes wouldn't be a 50% right?, unless we ignore the total no. of logged in users and only consider the total no. of users who voted, whether yes or no (100/100+100) *100 😕... can u tell me how did u arrive at the 50% final result based on 1000 total logged in users?

also, I've seen that in Hina's case the percentage movement wasn't very steep at the end unlike Shilpa's case, where it rose very steeply, after being stagnant for a while around 58-59%.. can it not be possible that some amount of bulk users logged in towards the end and voted for Shilpa, which didn't happen in case of Hina?

Edited by NathuPyare - 7 years ago

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Posted: 7 years ago

#20

Originally posted by: NathuPyare

but 100 yes votes & 100 no votes out of a total of 1000 votes wouldn't be a 50% right?, unless we ignore the total no. of logged in users and only consider the total no. of users who voted, whether yes or no (100/100+100) *100 😕... can u tell me how did u arrive at the 50% final result based on 1000 total logged in users?

also, I've seen that in Hina's case the percentage movement wasn't very steep at the end unlike Shilpa's case, where it rose very steeply, after being stagnant for a while around 58-59%.. can it not be possible that some amount of bulk users logged in towards the end and voted for Shilpa, which didn't happen in case of Hina?

Both of these points have been clearly answered by me, nothing more to add on this from my side.

Edited by lostloveforever - 7 years ago