Character Assassination of a Mother by Lopa

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Boneca

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Posted: 8 years ago

#41

Originally posted by: SP2684

And how many women do you know that are unmarried mothers, and are considered women of bad characters and treated disrespectfully by all? There are obviously many that think unmarried mother = characterless woman - hence why I said that a section of society, does unfortunately still subscribe to such schools of thought.

I do know unmarried mothers - and the majority in our mutual acquaintance circle have never treated them that way, not even indirectly. But does it matter? You and me do not form the entirety of society, nor the majority of it - we can speculate, but as I've said before, there is no measure. Certainly not of a sweeping 'majority'.

Its not some rocket science to understand what is right or wrong for majority of ppl in the society.

Women who give birth to children out of wedlock are not considered women of good character in our society is an undeniable truth.

That's why when some woman is in such situation they choose the option of abortion and in worst condition even leaving their child somewhere after birth. Its the bitter truth.

And that's why abuses like illegitimate child, bas***d, haram zaade, najaaiz aulaad etc are considered a direct attack to mother's character.

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SluttySavitri

@SluttySavitri

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Posted: 8 years ago

#42

Tina let it be. No point in arguing. Anything can be and will be said to defend Lopa's acts no matter how disgusting they are just because the 'other person' deserves it. Whenever she'll insult someone so heavily the other person will be deserving of her insults but God forbid if anyone says anything to her..

Edited by Amiyah - 8 years ago

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Boneca

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Posted: 8 years ago

#43

Originally posted by: Amiyah
Tina let it be. No point in arguing. Anything can be and will be said to defend Lopa's acts no matter how disgusting they are just because the 'other person' deserves it. Whenever she'll insult someone so heavily the other person will be deserving of her insults but God forbids if anyone say anything to her..

I'm amazed at the stupid logic that it was not an attack on his mother's character. If you call someone illegitimate child, bas***d, haraam zaade etc then you're not attacking him but his parents and especially mother, not him as it was not his will because of which he came in the world.

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panacea

@panacea

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Posted: 8 years ago

#44

Originally posted by: SP2684

How? Illegitimacy is attributed traditionally to a child born out of wedlock - how is it an attack on Baba's mother's character? If X child is considered illegitimate - how does one know the particulars of why the parents weren't married - there can be myriad different reasons for this. How is it any better to be assuming that the illegitimacy is a result of the mother's character being faulty? This assumption piles insult on Baba's mother - not the statement.

Lopa was insulting Baba - I don't agree with what she said - while I completely understand why she would react to the crap Baba's pulled towards her both verbally and physically in the last couple of days, I don't like the usage of such below the belt insults. Having said that - I have zero sympathy for Baba. As far as I'm concerned - him and Jagga - after the unprecedented levels of neechta she stooped to yesterday - deserve everything said to them and more.

The verbal outburst of Lopa was very mild.

A mother is a mother whether a child is born legitimately or illegitimately.

A man like Om who was standing naked in the washroom when she entered, who has been charged for having obscene photographs of women to blackmail them, a man among many other things touches Lopa inappropriately and lifts her skirt(as reported) in public when 120 cameras are following you deserves nothing less than a slap.

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned

A Woman is more furious when she is physically exploited than when scorned .

Even a married man can be charged for rape if he forces himself without the woman's consent.World over there is severe punishment for molestation and rape and to be publicly molested in a event is more demeaning.

She only abused him while she should have slapped him or filed criminal charges of molestation.

Sometimes you need steel to cut a steel and here it was nothing short of it.

I do not expect Lopa to be mild and tell him about his misbehaviour when Om is a habitual offender.

If I was in her position I would have assaulted him for his acts.

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lostNfound

@lostNfound

Voyager

Posted: 8 years ago

#45

Originally posted by: panacea

The verbal outburst of Lopa was very mild.
A mother is a mother whether a child is born legitimately or illegitimately.
A man like Om who was standing naked in the washroom when she entered, who has been charged for having obscene photographs of women to blackmail them, a man among many other things touches Lopa inappropriately and lifts her skirt(as reported) in public when 120 cameras are following you deserves nothing less than a slap.
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned
A Woman is more furious when she is physically exploited than when scorned .
Even a married man can be charged for rape if he forces himself without the woman's consent.World over there is severe punishment for molestation and rape and to be publicly molested in a event is more demeaning.
She only abused him while she should have slapped him or filed criminal charges of molestation.
Sometimes you need steel to cut a steel and here it was nothing short of it.
I do not expect Lopa to be mild and tell him about his misbehaviour when Om is a habitual offender.
If I was in her position I would have assaulted him for his acts.

the bottomline is we all know what Om baba is, and now people also what what pageant queen is.

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Ctrl Alt Del

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Posted: 8 years ago

#46

I read op and also the argument regarding if it was attack on mother or not.. I agree, yes calling someone illegitimate child falls under same category of abuses like BC and MC.. where you're not attacking the person but his/her family.. so its even worse..

An no matter if we say that a woman who give birth to an illegitimate child is not necessarily a characterless women but yes, when people call someone illegitimate, bas***d, haramjada, harami, najaiz and all such abuses then they're actually targeting their mothers..

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lostNfound

@lostNfound

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Posted: 8 years ago

#47

Originally posted by: Ctrl-Alt-Del
I read op and also the argument regarding if it was attack on mother or not.. I agree, yes calling someone illegitimate child falls under same category of abuses like BC and MC.. where you're not attacking the person but his/her family.. so its even worse..

An no matter if we say that a woman who give birth to an illegitimate child is not necessarily a characterless women but yes, when people call someone illegitimate, bas***d, haramjada, harami, najaiz and all such abuses then they're actually targeting their mothers..

honestly, I think its okay to be preachy here on the forum about how having an illegitimate child is not a bad thing (for ppl defending that abuse) but in the general society its definitely not held in high regard and would be a big big taboo! not just an illegitimate child, but she also said he was probably found in some gutter. that shows her highnesses' condescending attitude towards everyone. And I repeat, she represents India, internationally.

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charmy11

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Posted: 8 years ago

#48

Originally posted by: SP2684

And now we're talking about my 'guts'. Nice. If you'd like to labor under the misapprehension that logic-based and supported arguments are 'imaginary explanatory fiction stories' (whatever those are supposed to be), particularly when you fail to provide any base for that accusation, far be it from me to object.

I suggest you read posts carefully before you respond - it helps. I have no where stated that Lopa's statement was correct - on the contrary, I said that she should not have made this comment, as it was below the belt - what I object to, is your spin on her statement - the one that states she insulted Baba's mother's character.

she did not spin the word ,one use this word only to insult a person and it shows they also support same thought process which most of the people think so lopa also support same thought that baba's mother is characterless ...otherwise why will she use this word to insult bcos she herself think this is a insult n dirty

Edited by charmy11 - 8 years ago

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SP2684

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Stunner

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Posted: 8 years ago

#49

Originally posted by: lostNfound

honestly, I think its okay to be preachy here on the forum about how having an illegitimate child is not a bad thing (for ppl defending that abuse) but in the general society its definitely not held in high regard and would be a big big taboo! not just an illegitimate child, but she also said he was probably found in some gutter. that shows her highnesses' condescending attitude towards everyone. And I repeat, she represents India, internationally.

Who is defending the insult? Certainly not me. I clearly stated that Lopa insulted Baba, and it was a below the belt comment, particularly as the child is never responsible for his/her illegitimate status. Illegitimacy is considered disrespectfully - I'm not denying that. But to make the blanket leap to "unmarried mother = characterless woman", and state that all of society (and then changing that to majority of society) and 'our' religion agrees with this thought process, and therefore Lopa was attacking Baba's mother's character, is what I objected to.

This notion ignores circumstances completely (what if the unmarried mother was raped, for instance?), completely gives the father in question a free pass, and s**t shames the woman. I do not agree with the statement that 'all' or the 'majority' of society endorses this view, and I've stated my reasons for that previously. Endorsement of a regressive and singular view does not equate to a measure of majority IMO. I think society has evolved far more than it is being credited for.

And that I do not support this endorsement, that I do not think an unmarried mother = a characterless woman, is not me being 'preachy' - it's me having a viewpoint and stating it. I haven't stopped anyone here from having the perspective that an unmarried mother is a characterless woman.

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panacea

@panacea

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Posted: 8 years ago

#50

Originally posted by: lostNfound

honestly, I think its okay to be preachy here on the forum about how having an illegitimate child is not a bad thing (for ppl defending that abuse) but in the general society its definitely not held in high regard and would be a big big taboo! not just an illegitimate child, but she also said he was probably found in some gutter. that shows her highnesses' condescending attitude towards everyone. And I repeat, she represents India, internationally.

Representing India internationally doesn't mean take all crap and quietly put up with sexual overtures without a protest.

That is why women are exploited because she is supposed to tolerate all insults/ exploitations because if she resists or retaliates she will bring disrepute to the family/parents .

I will wait for tinaaa to respond on why a "illegitimate child" is a abuse primarily of the person first and the mother is secondary.

Food for thought for you and CTL+alt+del. is, if I had illegitimate wealth is the wealth tarnished or myself.