Arman vs. Ellie - Page 14

Originally posted by: mansimat

So I repeat that you may think the incident is blown out of proportion, but others may not. And neither are you to judge which incident is important or trivial. This is a forum of individual people,if they feel they are offended by something, they will post their thoughts. On what basis can you say that its blown out of proportion.

There are different definitions of good person or bad person. Different basis for different people. I have personally never explicitly mentioned that he is a bad person. I am only discussing about his one personality trait, based on whatever I saw on the show. That is he is a MCP, sexist man.

Now whether his one personality trait dominates so much that someone is unable to to see beyond that, is individual perception. One may choose to believe that he is a bad person based on his attitude and ABUSE towards women. I actually believe that he is a bad person, now that I thought about this, though I have not mentioned it before. Its my prerogative. However I can say there maybe some other aspects of his personality that are positive. This very logic can be used in the case of all sorts of people, including murderers, looters and rapists, they have done some bad, but each person may have one positive trait too.

Yes some feminists do sweep broad strokes for all men. But for this particular incident, why don't you look at it objectively and see Armaan for what he is, rather than defending him because some feminists are baying for his blood. He is wrong in the incident, no one can logically and objectively defend him. Feminists may be wrong sometimes but that doesn't mean they are wrong all the time or in this incidence. Please don't let your personal bias give you a rosy opinion of Armaan.

I also find it weird that you choose to compare Armaan with feminists, as if they are equal n opposite. Armaan is not what he is to defend men rights, he is just a male chauvinist pig, a sexist man who has beaten girls in his real life. And who is displaying that quite publicly.

I hope you understand n are able to distinguish between the two things.

About your last line (highlighted in red)- I will say that Armaan was bashed when he said remarks against Kushal for being in a poor family. Kushal was criticized for being a homophobe. Shilpa is criticized for being manipulative. Each one gets it for different faults. No one is spared. Men or women.

But I will agree to you that the last line(highlighted in red) may be true to some extent. Its a forum dominated by women. Some of whom have strong opinions about many issues. I being one of them. I have strong reactions to any human rights violation. Including woman abuse.

PS : I refrain from getting into intense discussions too often though.

Originally posted by: BossB

You are not a guy!!!

If I had known that, I wouldn't have argued so intensely with you and added a lot of 😊 to soften my arguments.

Chalo, ab jaane do..I've made my point, you have made your point.

You and Diva win..

I lose 😊

Originally posted by: mansimat

I have edited my previous post again. Please read it once more, if you want to.

I am not going to go into this discussion BossB where you are conveniently shifting the blame to women for the misconduct of men. Do you not see so many women protesting the same behavior that you are generalizing that "most women are attracted to alpha men". Your definition of alpha men is also wrong.

Also you have a habit of going off into tangential discussions and going away from the issue. We talk about A,B & C, you give opinion. I say how your opinion is flawed. Instead of refuting that or discussing about that, you start off another discussion about D,E & F. Then I again point out the faults in D, E & F by thinking n painstakingly writing in a logical format. Then again instead of being able to say anything about D, E & F you come with some other tangent. A lot of times, ABC, DEF & GHI are irrational generalizations. It's getting tiring and repetitive.

Its clear that you are being held prisoner by your biases and demographic generalizations. I am sorry I can't have a lucid, mature objective discussion with you. Goodbye.

Originally posted by: Diva-In-Armor

Claiming to lose and still ending it with yet another gender based remark 😆
Very cunning of you 😆

Originally posted by: BossB

What's the use of cunningness against fury of women?

Armaan's a alpha male, very cunning...par phir bhi bechare ko haath choom kar maafi maangni padi..😭

What chance does a non-alpha guy like me has against two furious women?🤢

Originally posted by: mansimat

Of course I am not a guy. My name is Mansi. Dude!

Lol, no need to add smileys because I am a woman. I can very well debate without them.

But for your sake, I will give you one - 😊

You brought up interesting points that made me think. And write in coherent, lucid way. Thanks for that. I hope you put away some of the typical generalizations that you are living in.