Friendship and enemity- Original pic of amar singh

Originally posted by: myviewprem

They say friendship and enemity is two side of coin. You can have highest enemity with only those you loved most. And jalal and pratap seem to be proving it in serial.That is so true! They are equals. so either they are very good friends or formidable enemies. There Is No Middle Way.Not Ever.

It was somewhat odd to find jalal not able to accept his unknown friend is pratap. It was almost like he wanted it to be dream unreal not truth. And him remembering all the moments spent with pratap also proved it. Well,i don't find it odd really.For the first time in his life, he found someone who can actually challenge him.so pratap already earned his grudging respect and admiration. and then they became friends. As he said Pratap is his ONLY friend . so to realise his only friend is his sworn enemy , that too in his age[ he is a kid after all] is devastating .So this denial mode.It is sad.

Now we have to see how pratap reacts to the news that his unknown friend was akbar. This is fiction not real history so CVs can experiment like this. I am almost sure,being the gentle hearted and not having someone like mahamanga to brainwash him [as per the serial] pratap will be a little bit more devastated than jalal .That will be worth watching. cvs done a surprisingly good job with this track.

What i find funny is the way bairam khan is treated by akbar? Bairam Khan was his foster father and known tohim from age of 5 or so. I doubt he would misbehave with bairam khan the way its shown in serial in real life???? THIS. I Too think that whatever is jalal, He would have never behaved that way to his khanbaba. Even if he is mad with bairam, the royal decorum would forbade him to behave like that to the person, who is more than his father.Infact his blind faith in mahamanga and bairam almost hurt him as per history.

But what is exact reason of akbar's enemity with mewar?

Many reasons are there chief among them

1) Akbar wanted to rule entire indian continent and pratap was opposed to that That is something , i can totally believe pratap would do, given the sisodiya history

2) The ships passed thru surat port and that was a major trade route for mughals Is surat in rajasthan?what it have to do with rajputana?

3) Humayun- Karnavati sent rakhi to humayun for help when bahadur shah of gujarat attacked but by time he came she had committed jauhar. But humayun pursued him and killed him and made vikramaditya ruler of mewar. But the mewar royal family assumed purposely humayun came late although its known he was at war in far off location. Because humayun left that war and came here sher shah suri became strong, his brothers betrayed him and joined with enemy, his ministers etc got angry he helped a hindu raja and spread false rumors that he was supporting khafirs etc. So humayun lost his kingdom, family(his daughter 9 years old was adbducted and never returned by sher shah suri), betrayal by brothers and ministers etc. Humayun also lost a lot by trying to help karnavati. Still when mewar royal family says that he came late on purpose any son will get angry. Its seemed a huge misunderstanding . At the face of such loss [ thousands of women died that day] Mewar royal family ,who already had bad blood with the mughals since rana sanga and babur , can easily misjudge humayun and so the accusations. And the disaster that followed humayun after that as you mentioned send his family into so much trouble[ Oh my,i have no idea about his daughter. that is tragic :( ],and akbar who did grow up in hardship and have to wage war from very childhood, had every reason to resent Mewar royal family for their accusations. Though i think that is not the only reason he went sparring with pratap. Akbar ,being a decendent of timur and jengis khan, its his Nature to conquer .And pratap ,thus by default Mewar , simply did not want to bow down [ that is some thing sisodiyas doing over centuries ,kept resisting] But Akbar's anger for mewar royal family is understandable given the misunderstanding.

So you never can say why Akbar was so hell bent on ruining pratap???

Now that all are dead we cannot even question to find truth? Thats true. we can only assume.

Originally posted by: mayalnee

Anyway, a really good insightful post. ⭐️👍🏼

Originally posted by: myviewprem

Originally posted by: mayalnee

It was somewhat odd to find jalal not able to accept his unknown friend is pratap. It was almost like he wanted it to be dream unreal not truth. And him remembering all the moments spent with pratap also proved it. Well,i don't find it odd really.For the first time in his life, he found someone who can actually challenge him.so pratap already earned his grudging respect and admiration. and then they became friends. As he said Pratap is his ONLY friend . so to realise his only friend is his sworn enemy , that too in his age[ he is a kid after all] is devastating .So this denial mode.It is sad

Originally posted by: myviewprem

They say friendship and enemity is two side of coin. You can have highest enemity with only those you loved most. And jalal and pratap seem to be proving it in serial.

It was somewhat odd to find jalal not able to accept his unknown friend is pratap. It was almost like he wanted it to be dream unreal not truth. And him remembering all the moments spent with pratap also proved it.

Now we have to see how pratap reacts to the news that his unknown friend was akbar. This is fiction not real history so CVs can experiment like this.

What i find funny is the way bairam khan is treated by akbar? Bairam Khan was his foster father and known tohim from age of 5 or so. I doubt he would misbehave with bairam khan the way its shown in serial in real life????

But what is exact reason of akbar's enemity with mewar?

Many reasons are there chief among them

1) Akbar wanted to rule entire indian continent and pratap was opposed to that

2) that was a major trade route for mughals

3) Humayun- Karnavati sent rakhi to humayun for help when bahadur shah of gujarat attacked but by time he came she had committed jauhar. But humayun pursued him and killed him and made vikramaditya ruler of mewar. But the mewar royal family assumed purposely humayun came late although its known he was at war in far off location. Because humayun left that war and came here sher shah suri became strong, his brothers betrayed him and joined with enemy, his ministers etc got angry he helped a hindu raja and spread false rumors that he was supporting khafirs etc. So humayun lost his kingdom, family(his daughter 9 years old was adbducted and never returned by sher shah suri), betrayal by brothers and ministers etc. Humayun also lost a lot by trying to help karnavati. Still when mewar royal family says that he came late on purpose any son will get angry.

So you never can say why Akbar was so hell bent on ruining pratap???

Now that all are dead we cannot even question to find truth?

Originally posted by: lucymoni

He purposely came late. He wanted to stop at a place to stop supplies of Bahadur Shah so that he could not get enough resources to flee away or gather equal strength as Humayun. But above all he did not want to indulge himself in Bahadur's Jihad against infidels. He let him loot Mewar as he considered it Jihad against so called 'Kafirs'.

Akbar was hell bent to destroy Maharana because Mewar was a strong state, it was not easy to win it even when many rajputs had joined him. Also Mewar was an obstacled for him in getting 'Fateh' of Rajputana. Without destroying Mewar he could not establish his supremacy in Rajputana. Also Maharana was spreading zeal of revolt among rajputs and there was a chance that other rajputs in name of region or religion today or tommorrow would join pratap.

All the reasons were political atleast in Akbar's case, He never thought of destroying temples or dishonouring women of a particular religion,well not in his late youth. Thats why i said Akbar could prove as mighty as Asoka 'Devanama piyadassi' Maurya if he was not captured in chains of 'Islam'. Basically Islam did not let him work on his true will.

Originally posted by: myviewprem

With Akbar you are right, he was obsessed with winning entire rajputhana especially mewar, so he would go to any lengths to achieve it saam dand bhed

But with humayun i am not sure he would stop purposely so that karnavati gets defeated and dies. humayun had saved a few rani's life and respect even during battle of panipat from afghan soldiers. So i am not sure he purposely stopped at a place to help bahadur shah? If that was so he would not have wasted time pursuing him to defeat him and also would have not placed vikramaditya on mewar throne. He could have annexed mewar. That also his ministers and brothers suggested but he refused to do that and gave kingdom to Vikramaditya. Anyways vikramaditya was a young man who was not capable of fighting off mughal forces at that time. So benefit of doubt can definetly go to humayun in this case. These rumors must have been spread by his brothers who wanted to upsur his throne about him not wanting to get into bahadur shah's jihad.