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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: aekiel

To all those here who say that they're seeking justice for Maya the child (and not Maya the adult), and saying that Arjun, Saanjh, VM and Jhanvi are hypocrites in holy white cloaks who must pay for their "adharma" and "sins", what would you consider as justice for Maya the child?

1) Maya the psychopathic adult to kill Jhanvi and Saanjh and force an unhappy Arjun to live with her?

2) Maya the psychopathic adult to kill Jhanvi and Arjun and make Saanjh alone?

3) Maya the psychopathic adult to kill Jhanvi, Arjun and Saanjh

4) Maya the psychopathic adult to kill Jhanvi, Arjun and Saanjh and kill herself too.

Any justice for Maya the child will go to Maya the psychopathic adult, whose share of crimes far outweigh any potential justice you could ask for Maya the child. And much as you'd like to separate the two entities, they are one.

Plus, as Anshvi has many-a-times mentioned, 1 mistake of Saanjh/Arjun simply cannot be equated to 1 mistake from Maya. You have to look at the type of mistake and determine the quantum of punishment, and all mistakes of Saanjh and Arjun put together cannot, from any logical pov, be equal to what crimes Maya the psychopathic adult has done.



I think these are your interpretations as to what we want. What everyone is trying to say is that there has to be closure for Maya the child. NO ONE is saying that killing people is right.

And justice cannot be quantified. Wish it was that simple.
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Posted: 7 years ago
@SHRUTI but arjun is too much, his fear of maya as if she was going to kill him. No matter what I don't think maya is able to kill him (as if he didn't know that) and as for sanjh she would killed her for a long time if she wished. Too much drama.
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: Sarana1234



I think these are your interpretations as to what we want. What everyone is trying to say is that there has to be closure for Maya the child. NO ONE is saying that killing people is right.

And justice cannot be quantified. Wish it was that simple.



Who receives that closure for Maya the child then? The child- of course not, because it's become an adult, and a psychopathic adult at that.

It was meant to be an open ended question- the four I mentioned are the most likely routes Maya the psychopathic adult will take, with her supporters cheering her on as she takes "revenge".

What would be your version of "closure" and "justice" then, ensuring that Maya the child gets justice, Maya the adult gets punished for her crimes, and A-S-J (the remaining "hypocrites in holy white cloaks"; VM already murdered) pay for their "adharma" and "sins", in one go?

You won't give the same punishment to a guy who's stolen one apple and a guy who's stolen 10 lakh rupees. Justice today (the quantum of punishment) is mostly based on the nature of the crime- that's a fact in today's world.




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Posted: 7 years ago
After reading n trying my best to understand some povs here, I get one thing- Shruti, u probably want Jhanvi to realise her role in shaping Maya into a monster. U want Vandana to hv had some empathy with the 9 yr old Maya. U want Saanjh also to do the same. Okay, if that's the case.
But, do u think if someone is paralysed and treated like a vegetable for 4 long years by her daughter, and tried to be killed twice, will he/she really go n apologise and accept that same daughter who gave her nothing but pain all her life, with open arms? Jhanvi was a weak mother, surely, wasn't exactly the best example of a good mother, but she did protect Maya. She did threaten Ashwin to stay away from Maya, and gave him money for the same. She did go with a gun to kill Ashwin on Maya's wedding day.

She loved Ashwin, Ashwin was her weakness. And she succumbed to it many times. All she wanted was a happy family with her husband and child, and yes, love didn't let her look at Ashwin's evilness.

Besides, all that we know about the 9 yr old maya is what Maya herself has told Arjun and the audiences, how do u know that that is the absolute truth. Isn't it established by now, that Maya is a pathological liar? By no means do I absolutely refute her claims of being tortured by this statement..but how do u know, that this is the whole truth and not Maya's version of the truth?

By looking at Saanjh eating spicy golgappas u concluded that it was her anger and what not, when that poor girl was doing nothing but trying to hide her tears. So how, can u take Maya's tears at face value?

Coming to Vandana, I don't think if somebody gets to know that her son is getting married to a psycho who broke her father's leg at age 9, especially when she has seen glimpses of that violent streak in that girl eevn before, I don't think that person will approach that girl with TLC. She will obviously be afraid for her son. Whatever she did later, was out of impulse and hatred for the girl after getting married whom her son was arrested. Yes, Vandana probably never expected Maya to be so dangerous. I agree throwing garbage on her was foolish to the core, but Vandana underestimated Maya and thought her taunts and anger would be enough to drive maya away from Arjun's life. As is evident, she was hugely mistaken, and ended up with the worst fate possible...dying with one son battling for life and the other son wishing for her to be dead.

I have the same thing to say about Saanjh, so won't elaborate much.

If these ppl are expected to understand their role in making maya what she is today, why don't u expect Maya to own up to her crimes and accept that she is a monster who destroyed lives, for once! For once, why can't Maya stop playing a victim and shifting the blame on others for her actions. The person doing those actions was her, in her whole hosh o awaaz. She had a choice, but chose to ignore it. She chose what is convenient for her to satisfy her junoon, why cant she accept that, for once! Why does Maya think she did a great thing by killing ppl to keep her junoon alive? The day she realises this, I will accept ur claim of wanting Jhanvi to understand where she failed as a mother.
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@Megha I only wrote CVs dont make the blunder of giving BG in a evil spirit's hand, because if they show Maya reading BG, uses its method for the victory of adharma there cannot be a worse message than that. Because that book itself is about why the war has to be fought. The end in no way should show adharma has won. Now what is the dharma and adharma of this show CVs most probably will show in the last episode only as the show is about Maya the illusion.

Coming to any normal wife, they would have walked away from a toxic relationship in the name of Duffer-Dusky. Because if you try to be there, even if you are sane, you will go insane.No normal woman would risk it. Then Maya is not normal

@Sarana thanks for the beautiful post. It summed up everything. When I write analysis, I mostly keep on co relating and if people had not read dance and illusion thread it is a very tough process for me to tell from where this point has come😃. And yes I also cannot treat Saanjh/Arjun/VM/ Jhanvi has human flaws and mistakes. But for Ayan it is human flaw, it is his raw emotion because of his jail term and the accusations. To be frank Ayan is the only human character I have found in the show. Others are all Devi's, devas and Rakshas. And if there has been a Dev in real sense that would have been Prem. What a father, a father any child would love to have.



Guys I also dont want Arohi to be Arya child. It will be too much


Again I was not pinpointing ur post about Maya reading BG, I think there was another member who said that. N I was confused that how can Dharma be equated with Maya's path so far?

Maya unfortunately never recieved any guidance about right n wrong. M not trying to say that Sanjh n Arjun have not been wrong, they have been. But unfortunately Maya's path so far was wrong to deal with them.

I hope the makers justify the end, maybe she gets pure love from Arohi n realizes her wrong path.

Ultimately I am watching d show for Maya, it's an intriguing character.
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Posted: 7 years ago
@shruthiravi, I don't think that you can compare those two cases with journalists, because Maya's problem at the time with them was that they were more interested in flirting with Duffer than in their work
Now problem is in Duffer's past. From which he want run
I was also interested in the fact that Duffer didn't call Dusky his wife. But he married Dusky only to hurt Maya. If this wasn't the main motive for Duffer, he would not come to Maya to jail, to say that he would marry Dusky. What marries on the day of execution of Maya. To kiss Dusky. He would not have done all this. He would simply take this remaining period as his punishment. But he never admit his guilt and punishment. And after the execution, not on the death and blood of Maya, but on happiness and his love to Duska got married. But Duffer married on his hatred for Maya, and not on his love of Dusky
Arohi will ask again who is Maya. The child needs an answer
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Posted: 7 years ago
yes, maybe Arohi, the child can teach Maya what true love is.
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Posted: 7 years ago
@Sarana you are right. Was it that easy to quantify justice. Because revenge and justice are two different things. Revenge is complete destruction, while justice is destruction of what is needed from both ends.
How can you define the Goddess of justice who is blind and the balance is steadied based on what is heard, what is felt and not what is seen. Nyay ki devi sunti hai, Mehsoos karti hai, dekhti nahi.

And you know the reason light travels faster than sound. Once we see things, we try to put what we hear to suit what we have seen. Maya or illusion is associated with vision and it always plays with eyes clouding the judgement, making it sometimes injustice also.

That's why Goddess of justice is blind. To avoid vision in deciding the justice. But what happens when you go to court. Visual proof only matters, if you dont have eyewitness, then you have to bring other written documents, emails, reports whatever visual and establish the fact.

So in the realm of God, vision doesnt decide justice. It has no role in the decision of justice. But in human realm unless it is brought to visual medium people dont understand. Because brain has to see it, to believe it 😃

So the thing the heart has felt, ears had heard, time is needed to make brain understand it. This is the reason why many powerful people manage to hoodwink the judiciary because a normal man who is not versed with the importance of visual proof thinks truth is enough. Only when they go to fight it out they realize how the proofs are made as all these people know the court punishes only on visual proof.
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Posted: 7 years ago
@Laska Arjun doesnt want the past to come up, just like in S1 Maya didnt want the past to come up. I was just telling in S1 Maya was firing people and now Arjun also got the habit of firing people
@Lecter when you have something to lose, when you dont want to be alone, you will fear. When you know the opposite party is capable of taking everything from you, you will fear. Same fear Maya had in S1, S2, S3 fear of being alone due to her past. Her biggest fear was that being alone. But then she became alone.

Guys by the way did you realize Arjun's wardrobe right know is same as the first pic Maya drew of Arjun. Black and white.


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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: Sarana1234


@anshvi, no one is contesting here, that maya is good ...what i am saying is everyone else is not perfect either. And those are not just human flaws. If at all... ayan's reaction could be considered as human.

For saanjh... less said the better,.. she saves all her life...not for her education but to get married...in what generation do we live...forgives her father's killer. And yes... she hates maya not for being the reason for her father's death but for being Arjun's poison. And that is completely my perspective...because she is not what Prem would have wanted her to be.

And yes, i strongly believe the only thing you can give your children are the right values. And she has failed Prem for that.

The whole marriage thing is so overrated...assuming that Arjun and Saanj are in love...were always in love,.. best friends...and i mean in good sense...why is marriage is so important? Why couldn't they wait... What was the need for hurry?

'Saanjh failed her Dad' is an unkind way of looking at the events, if one does not wish to choose & use the word unfair!
What are the charges we have against her?

1. She disclosed Prem's name to an annoyed Maya & thereby she became instrumental for his death! Remember, Saanjh was staring a terribly upset & mad woman's barrel of gun! She was fighting for her survival! If she thought by bringing Prem in picture, Arjun's wife ran a risk of ending -up in jail if Maya dared to pull the trigger of her gun! Nobody could save her going to prison-not even Arjun, if Prem knew why & how Saanjh had to die at the hands of Maya! Does anyone think Prem would have spared Maya to go scot-free?
Even if she did not say anything then, Maya would have easily known it from Samay! And Samay would have anyway asked Saanjh about that! Remember, he was the one who informed Maya about the possibility of Saanjh's presence in her house! He was Maya's informer & his job was to spy Mathurs! There was such a strong link of communication existed between him and Maya as he could pay a visit to her at will, in her house day or night! And what about Maya? She had the audacity even to send a flying kiss to him, behind the back of a hugging husband, for his role in staging the drama to convince his fiance for an immediate marriage with him, after her dilemma , post Prem's death!

2. She teamed-up with Rajiv, after knowing that he killed her father, to capture Maya in her hiding place!
After Prem's ashes exposed her the truth behind her father's death, she never had a doubt in her mind who was the brain & who acted as a mere hand in her father's murder ! Her conversation with Samay confirmed it further! She told the same to Arjun! Arjun was very reluctant to admit that bitter fact initially!
But, later events of they coming together & a growing closeness between them at the expense of his evaporating love for Maya, except for a token relationship for the sake of his bandar clearly revealed his thoughts on this subject!
Once again, he openly admitted his anguish & tried to console a grieving Saanjh for her father's death -when he was under interrogation in the lock-up, post Maya's fake death drama!

So, both Arjun & Saanjh held Maya responsible for Prem's death! Samay had no personal enimity with Saanjh or Prem! But , Maya did have a lot, with Saanjh! If Saanjh believed that Maya punished her by killing her father, then can anyone find fault with her, even if one wanted to argue here Maya's role is only circumstantial & not direct?!! Saanjh did not know that! She went by her own conviction!

Now, when Saanjh was staring death at the hands another psycho not once but twice in a very short time, what options did she have?

1. To die with Arjun, if Rajiv went ahead pulling the trigger
or
2. To convince & change the heart & mind of a motivated criminal, a psycho lover to toe her line!
It was an arduous task -an impossible one under normal circumstances to turn Rajiv against Maya - but the young lawyer pulled it off, with her conviction, logical thinking & above all an exemplary courage to hold her nerve under very trying circumstances! Even Arjun did not believe it would click! A clever Maya did not anticipate that a low profile, run of mill lawyer & loser Saanjh could outsmart her, in her own game by inducing a loyal dog to cross the side & catch her throat!
It was a master stroke & Saanjh needed to be complimented for taking a right step to capture the killers of her father -both Maya & Rajiv!
Maya eventually punished Rajiv - it was on expected lines & Saanjh must have calculated that!
And it paved way for Maya's punishment as well, after some dragging!

Prem must be an extremely proud father for his daughter for finally bringing the murderers to book & rendering him peace & justice
This is really what a daughter could do for her loved dad!


That is why I mentioned in my opening statement that it is unkind to Saanjh by a constant chorus of railing against her if not outrightly making an unfair accusation!

PS: Regret for making it a very lengthy defence in favor of a (former?) defence lawyer! But, legal arguments are usually long & frustrating! My apologies & thanks if you had the patience to read!


Edited by Fernandes43 - 7 years ago

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