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Posted: 7 years ago
Maya to Arjun "Dusky tumhare liye bahot special hai na? Tumhari best friend hai. Aur aksar best friend se pyar hojata, tumhe bhi hosakta hai"
Arjun's reply :kuch rishtey dekhne main bahot hi kareeb lagte hai, lekin unke beech aise faasle hote hai jo kabhi nahi mit sakte, dusky sirf meri ek acchi dost hai aur hamesha rahegi, pyar kabhi nahi ban sakti"

Anyone remember these kind of dialogues between Arjun and Maya in season 1 in the hospital?
Although these dialogues that i wrote above is not exactly the same, but the dialogues were something like this... i vaguely remember...

Anyways the bottom line is Arjun had "ASURRED" Maya about him not loving dusky.

Now look at the irony?

After hearing such dialogues from Arjun in season 1, how can i possibly connect with Arjun now?

Arjun is a untrustworthy guy. He doesnt know what he wants. To me he seems like an opportunist guy. "Ab Maya toh puri pagal aur buri aurat hai, so let me hook up with my bff. Ab woh mera pyaar hai" this is how we can describe Arjun.

Moral of the story: DO NOT TRUST PEOPLE WHO SPEAKS BIG DIALOGUES AND ACT AS SANE BY TALKING SUCH HEARTWARMING DIALOGUES.

I loved Maya in that episode in the hospital scene. Because there she tried to find out about Arjun's feelings for dusky openly. And I personally was very moved/impressed by arjun's reply to Maya as Maya herself was.

But guess wat guys? All those dialogues of Arjun meant nothing! It was all Maya. Buhahaha

PS: This show is going to make me loose trust on people and humanity.
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Edited by sumz_d - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
Shruti. They have arjun tell the truth? He never loved maya. Please maya accept and please please writers make maya forget arjun, stop loving him.
I don't revenge on her part. Indifference maya. Let them. And please live your life.
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Posted: 7 years ago
i have not watched the show for the last week. BT been following the thread. honestly I dnt know wat to make of saajun and wat i want from their ending. I dnt like their scenes much they annoying and they look too much like brother and sister for my liking, dnt like aneri too. bt I have never seen such undying love from any character on TV like the love saanhj has for her duffer. she has been with Arjun through thick and thin. the girl has worked for that love if anything else. this has been love that has been worked for and its like after everything that has happened how can Arjun not fall for her? its expected BT the problem is the saajun friendship depending on what one is used to we could say they over stepped the mark or they just more westernized and they just friends. so is their relationship friendship , love, siblings wat is it?

when arjun's focus is on maya especially in his hatred it is solely on her not saanhj. nothing was shown to make me believe he was in love with saanhj. even when in the one scene when arjun goes on a wild goose chance for maya and finds her clue and says Saanhj it comes across as him just saying a name. kushal is just a poor actor.



i so wish that an accomplished actress had played saanhj, even with the flaws a better actress could have made saanhj more appealing. tom boys can be sexy BT this has been missing from the role and this is the major down fall of the pairing which will always make me think that saanhj has just worked for the love she has got it was not naturally there . for her to have got the love maya had to be mad, bad and weak. otherwise if maya had been a little less mad saanhj would not have gotten arjun . coz Arjun would have still been with maya.

true soul mates are not only best friend BT there has to be sexual chemistry there. neither arya or saajun are perfect or soul mates saajun will always be soul mate friends and nothing more. why ppl love kuch kuch hota hai is coz even after anjali is friend zoned by rahul when rahul sees her again he does not just see her as a friend anymore BT as a woman who has changed. Saanhj is just a worker bee who deserves a happy ending coz she worked her ass off for it. that does not mean I think arya should be together Arjun did not have the mindset, the integrity, the depth to handle a woman with so much issues like maya. and no one could have helped her. bt he was and always will be a superficial person and he was never the one for her.
Edited by sandiab - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: Fernandes43

The cliche that 'Maya is bad and mad' is not doing any justice at all, to a marvelous presentation of the character Maya!
Maya was /is & always will be beyhadh!

It is only just, if her charaterisation got its due weight & hence always qualified as 'beyhadh mad and beyhadh bad'!
She is an epitome of what bad can mean when it assumes beyhadh proportions!
She is an embodiment of what mad can get when it zooms to extreme levels!

Any underplaying or toning down her character is just unfair, given such a magnificent performance & portrayal by the central character of the show!


Marvelous presentation? Maya is one dimensional at her best. If anything, it's ONLY Jennifer who's given so much gravitas to such a poorly written character. By your description of Beyhadh, it sounds as if we can lump all kinds of evils on Maya just because Maya was/is & always will be Beyhadh. Like if tomorrow, if the makers turned her into a neo-nazi, even that would be acceptable under that blanket definition of Beyhadh. Is that so?
Edited by CaputDraconis - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: CaputDraconis


Marvelous presentation? Maya is one dimensional at her best. If anything, it's ONLY Jennifer who's given so much gravitas to such a poorly written character. By your description of Beyhadh, it sounds as if we can lump all kinds of evils on Maya just because Maya was/is & always will be Beyhadh. Like if tomorrow, if the makers turned her into a neo-nazi, even that would be acceptable under that blanket definition of Beyhadh. Is that so?

Anything is possible! Who can assure on behalf of CVs, they will not allow maya to cross a certain limit (of course, subject to contents permissible under act of cinematography & laws of land pertaining to public telecast for home entertainment!) ?
We saw Maya starting like a simple manipulator! Then she turned to be a killer,! She improved herself to become a serial killer!
She furthered her career in crimes by emulating acts of underworld dons using goondas/supari killers!
Human bomb attempt has made her join the list of dreaded terrorists!
Now, neo-nazi? Her ideology is Arjun! For him, if she chooses to be a mass murderer -even plans for genocide as her frustration keeps mounting against entire world - believing everyone is now conspiring against her & indulges herself further without any restraints - will someone be in a position to advise her not to do anymore mindless acts?!
I am not writing her story! But, going by what the writers are doing, nothing seems unlikely!
They keep drumming up that Maya is truly beyhadh! Maya is absolutely having no limits! Maya can do anything, as everything is in the realm of possibility to get her Arjun, etc etc - in this poorly written, illogical stuff!
According to makers the definition of beyhadh is really undefined extremity!
So, what is surprising about it?

PS:Maya is more popular than the show itself! Her characterisation seems to have appealed to audience more than the story itself!The actor's skills are surely a contributing factor, but she does not function without a script presenting her characteristics!

Edited by Fernandes43 - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
Great analysis..jhanvi was saying how maya is not her daughter but saanj is.Has she ever questioned herself if she was a good mother to maya or not.From the start of the show, all we see from jhanvi is ashwin jaap. She had always asked maya to accept ashwin even when she knew how he behaved with maya, she even married him again!!That's not how a mother behaves with her child..So how can she question maya as a daughter when she herself behaved in such a way with her..
Regarding arjun-saanj, i don't how can arjun fall off and in love so easily...This makes me doubt about his feeling to both maya and saanj..Well saanj has been in dangerous situations even before, then why now all of a sudden he realised he has always been love with her..

And now the court drama begins..Hope we get answers to the few questions in our minds at least now
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Posted: 7 years ago
@sumz exactly Maya had asked that question to Arjun and he had iterated in affirmative Dusky is friend only. Now he suddenly says it is now he realized the love hidden in friendship. So when he told ILU in restuarent post marriage and having SR with Maya, that was the truth. So Maya was right from there naa that Saajun is not platonic. Saanjh had feelings and Arjun also can cheat for Saanjh. Also dont lose hope of love and humanity. Just accept one thing. Everyone is selfish and everyone has ego including yourself. Half your problems will be solved. Do things if you feel like doing and whatever you do, do it for yourself not for others. So expectations will be less.
@sandi you are right. Sexual chemistry is needed for a couple. But then sometimes in marriage of convenience it doesnt matter. You marry, you have kids that is about it and go with life. Many marriages are like that. When Arjun told yesterday ILU to Saanjh I didnt feel anything in him. It felt like another impromptu decision. Ab Maya nahi tho Saanjh sahi. Ayan gave the right dialogue. Dont confuse between love and friendship. You will lose both. And his pyar mein yakeen is comedy to say the least. Can this guy sit for sometime, analyze, evaluate himself and take decisions and can someone stop pampering him. And yes you are right. Maya had to be bad and mad or rather pure evil, even then she wouldnt have got Arjun. Because Arjun didnt care much about Maya's crimes. She got Arjun because Maya bought Samay uff Rajiv between them. So if Maya can have another man, I will have another woman. That's what Arjun's thought process is.

@lecter even I hope maya stops chanting Arjun. It is better she accepts Maya Arjun Sharma is dead

@fallingsnow I have never found more a confusing character than Arjun. Aaj Maya tho Kal Saanjh. No woman can be secure with this man. You never know when he changes like Chameleon.
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Posted: 7 years ago
And lepcha I am not sure if Saanjh has some problem, though I do have a feeling around that. Whatever it is I dont think her heart will have any problem, if there is any problem it will be in her head, in her dimaag.
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Posted: 7 years ago
@sumz_d, @shruthiravi, I still remember Ajun telling Maya in the hospital after he came back post Saanjh's confession of love for him that he loves Dusky a lot. He said something like, "Main Dusky se bahut pyaar karta hoon magar yeh yeh wala pyaar nahi hai." When Maya asked him, "Yeh wala pyaar kya hai?', Arjun replied, "Yeh wala pyaar matlab junoon, ibaadat, beythadh,you know what I mean."
Now such a volte face from Arjun!

True love happens only once and even if that love doesn't work out one cannot go to love another person.

So his utterances of love for Saanjh now look so artificial and hard to believe. As the days go by I am losing more and more respect for Arjun.

I am unable to digest this Dusky Duffer romance. The makers are leaving a wrong message for so many pure friendships that happen in real life between two people of the opposite gender.
Edited by Fragrance63 - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: Fragrance63

@sumz_d, @shruthiravi, I still remember Ajun telling Maya in the hospital after he came back post Saanjh's confession of love for him that he loves Dusky a lot. He said something like, "Main Dusky se bahut pyaar karta hoon magar yeh yeh wala pyaar nahi hai." When M<aya asked him, "Yeh wala pyaar kya hai?', Arjun replied, "Yeh wala pyaar matlab junoon, ibaadat, beythadh,you know what I mean."

Now such a volte face from Arjun!

True love happens only once and even if that love doesn't work out one cannot go to love another person.

So his utterances of love for Saanjh now look so artificial and hard to believe. As the days go by I am losing more and more respect for Arjun.

I am unable to digest this Dusky Duffer romance. The makers are leaving a wrong message for so many pure friendships that happen in real life between two people of the opposite gender.

Convinced it as only pure friendship?
Not really a masked love?
since her childhood, as she says so!
Hope, no one now jumps at this reference to her past & creates troubles for yet another show on SONY TV - ostensibly hinting at underage child expressing instincts of love!
Edited by Fernandes43 - 7 years ago

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