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shruti

@Logical-Indian

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Posted: 8 years ago

#21

Originally posted by: .annihilation.
Great post Shruti! Agreed with most of the things you said but I am personally quite put off by the show's continued and never ending torturefest. No matter the situation, no matter nothing, everyone were suffering or dying, are suffering or dying, everyone were ruined or are still getting ruined except for Maya. I have always had issues with the show's writing but its getting unpardonable now. Whether or not Samay killed Prem on Maya's orders, she's equally responsible, accountable and punishable, imo. Also, loved reading your and Misty's discussion.

I agree...The writing has always been sub-par but its been atrocious since the last 4-5 weeks. It's like they have one template that they use for the scenes and then just change the setting and situation. It's always Saanjh-VM saying Maya is mad/bad--> them trying to prove to Arjun that Maya is not what she seems --> them almost finding evidence against Maya and then Maya turning the tables at the last moment and revealing that she knew their plan all along--> then Maya manipulating the situation in her favor and getting Arjun's sympathy --> Arjun like a fool believes her EVERY TIME --->Saanjh/VM again feeling bad for "poor Arjun" and determined to save him AND the cycle continues...

If you observe since the time Maya has fallen for Arjun in season 1 ALL the tracks have been a variation of the basic track that I mentioned above.

It's been too one sided till now. I think we have all said it at some point that the biggest drawback in the story is that Maya does not have a strong opponent. Saanjh / VM are hilariously stupid and are never shown to learn from their mistakes. They make the same dumb mistakes all the time. NO ONE uses their brains when dealing with Maya. The moment Saanjh does something remotely smart she rushes off to Maya to gloat about it and to show the "proof" to Arjun . Kyun Bhai?? What is the need to gloat?? Take the proof to the concerned authorities instead of shouting from the rooftops that you have proof and have hidden it in XYZ place. What kind of dumbass person just lays all their cards down in front of their opponent.?? 😕

And WHAT is the need to prove anything to Arjun?? If she is absolutely not concerned about what happens to Arjun (like she claims) then why rush to Arjun every time she thinks she has proof against Maya?? Just go to the police na. When the world knows the truth Arjun will know as well and then he can decide what he wants to do about it.

This lack of another strong character against Maya is what makes the story look like one long saga of Maya making other people suffer. High time that some character actually gets the better of Maya and maybe gives her a taste of her own medicine.

Edited by sweetshruti - 8 years ago

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shruti

@Logical-Indian

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Posted: 8 years ago

#22

Originally posted by: MistyDawn
@annihilation- agree, the list is far too long for redemption and its only going to get worse from here when Arjun leaves her.. That is why I said her tears don't seem genuine anymore, because we have seen the level of manipulation she is capable of , in the courtroom.. Arjun's blind support is only going to encourage her because now she is confident that he will cover her tracks no matter what she does to ''teach'' people lesson who according to her twisted logic have wronged her.. I think both Maya and Arjun should get over the fact that Saanjh is in love with Arjun.. she was and still cares for him deep-down but she doesn't ''want'' him.. Maya and Arjun are both incapable of understanding that innate goodness and humanity which makes people help others, which is all that Saanjh is trying to do..help Ayaan and Vandana.. she just needs the right leads and direction... in time she will..
About Samay and Maya.. I feel bad for Samay, the way Maya treats him.. he is so gonna be the reason for her downfall.. I hope he is... if anything, Maya should be thankful to him for tipping her just on time.. but yah.. like you said she knows which buttons to press to get the desired reaction.. easy for her when the other person is so desperate to prove his love and loyalty..

I think the problem with Saanjh's characterization is that her actions and words are contradictory. While on one end they have her say that she is doing this ONLY for Ayaan and does not care about Arjun, yet we have heard her say that "Arjun ko Maya ka sach dikhana hai" umpteen number of times. After the shooting episode when Vandana is upset that Arjun ignored them and was only concerned about Maya she said that "Saanjh hum kisko bachane ki koshish kar rahe hai" indicating that "saving" Arjun was on their agenda. Yet Saanjh says that Arjun is absolutely not on her mind and its only Ayaan. When Samay asks her why she is going to Arjun with the proof coz he can alert Maya, Saanjh says that she does not care about Arjun-Maya and only cares about Ayaan, yet the first thing she does after getting the proof is rush to tell Arjun about it. When she lost the case against Maya she was seen crying because "poor Arjun" is stuck with Maya rather than crying about "poor Ayaan" who was stuck in jail. It even prompted Suman to tell her off for being concerned about Arjun rather than Ayaan.

It's this sort of contradictions that result in such polarized opinions amongst the viewers about Saanjh's actual intentions. You can't really blame the characters (Arjun-Maya) or the audience for thinking that Saanjh still has Arjun on her mind because of this.

And I agree about Samay...the way Maya (mis) treats him, he will definitely lead to her downfall. I think he will turn dangerous for Maya in the near future once he knows she is pregnant with Arjun's child.

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annihilation

@annihilation

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Posted: 8 years ago

#23

Originally posted by: sweetshruti

I agree...The writing has always been sub-par but its been atrocious since the last 4-5 weeks. It's like they have one template that they use for the scenes and then just change the setting and situation. It's always Saanjh-VM saying Maya is mad/bad--> them trying to prove to Arjun that Maya is not what she seems --> them almost finding evidence against Maya and then Maya turning the tables at the last moment and revealing that she knew their plan all along--> then Maya manipulating the situation in her favor and getting Arjun's sympathy --> Arjun like a fool believes her EVERY TIME --->Saanjh/VM again feeling bad for "poor Arjun" and determined to save him AND the cycle continues...

If you observe since the time Maya has fallen for Arjun in season 1 ALL the tracks have been a variation of the basic track that I mentioned above.

It's been too one sided till now. I think we have all said it at some point that the biggest drawback in the story is that Maya does not have a strong opponent. Saanjh / VM are hilariously stupid and are never shown to learn from their mistakes. They make the same dumb mistakes all the time. NO ONE uses their brains when dealing with Maya. The moment Saanjh does something remotely smart she rushes off to Maya to gloat about it and to show the "proof" to Arjun . Kyun Bhai?? What is the need to gloat?? Take the proof to the concerned authorities instead of shouting from the rooftops that you have proof and have hidden it in XYZ place. What kind of dumbass person just lays all their cards down in front of their opponent.?? 😕

And WHAT is the need to prove anything to Arjun?? If she is absolutely not concerned about what happens to Arjun (like she claims) then why rush to Arjun every time she thinks she has proof against Maya?? Just go to the police na. When the world knows the truth Arjun will know as well and then he can decide what he wants to do about it.

This lack of another strong character against Maya is what makes the story look like one long saga of Maya making other people suffer. High time that some character actually gets the better of Maya and maybe gives her a taste of her own medicine.

Originally posted by: sweetshruti

I think the problem with Saanjh's characterization is that her actions and words are contradictory. While on one end they have her say that she is doing this ONLY for Ayaan and does not care about Arjun, yet we have heard her say that "Arjun ko Maya ka sach dikhana hai" umpteen number of times. After the shooting episode when Vandana is upset that Arjun ignored them and was only concerned about Maya she said that "Saanjh hum kisko bachane ki koshish kar rahe hai" indicating that "saving" Arjun was on their agenda. Yet Saanjh says that Arjun is absolutely not on her mind and its only Ayaan. When Samay asks her why she is going to Arjun with the proof coz he can alert Maya, Saanjh says that she does not care about Arjun-Maya and only cares about Ayaan, yet the first thing she does after getting the proof is rush to tell Arjun about it. When she lost the case against Maya she was seen crying because "poor Arjun" is stuck with Maya rather than crying about "poor Ayaan" who was stuck in jail. It even prompted Suman to tell her off for being concerned about Arjun rather than Ayaan.

It's this sort of contradictions that result in such polarized opinions amongst the viewers about Saanjh's actual intentions. You can't really blame the characters (Arjun-Maya) or the audience for thinking that Saanjh still has Arjun on her mind because of this.

And I agree about Samay...the way Maya (mis) treats him, he will definitely lead to her downfall. I think he will turn dangerous for Maya in the near future once he knows she is pregnant with Arjun's child.

I completely agree with 90% of the things you said. I think the only explanation I have is when the writers themselves are hell bent on making Maya some super powerful, ever present and knowing, unconquerable sort of an entity, everyone infront of her are mere mortals. They probably abide by the logic of making one character super duper intelligent thereby dumbing down the others by default. Although, I disagree with the part that Saanjh's words and actions are contradicting. I think the only reason she wanted him to know it all throughout was because if they could pull Arjun to their side, it serves the purpose of exposing the reality of Maya to the world and saving Ayaan, Arjun, his entire family and basically everyone to whom Maya's existence/presence around is life-threatening. I personally and others may be as well, have always called out Saanjh on her stupidity but didn't doubt her intentions or motive because there wasn't anything at all to doubt on.

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MistyDawn

@MistyDawn

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Posted: 8 years ago

#24

@sweetshruti @annihilation- I don't doubt or question Saanjh's intentions behind her actions.. I am convinced that she doesn't want Arjun in that sense though I feel she is still deeply concerned for his well being.. But her strategy to get Arjun on her side to strengthen Ayaan's case is a bad one.. On one hand it can help her as annihilation suggests, but she has to understand that it can be equally counter productive... He didn't care about Ayaan then, why would he care now.. If anything can get Arjun on their side, it will be successfully proving in court that Maya has been playing games all along.. it can not be the other way round i.e getting Arjun on their side to win the case.. Now that Maya is pregnant with his child, he is going to be even more fiercely protective of her and will be ready to give a her chance to heal for ''their'' child's sake.. He has already announced Ashwin and Jhanvi have been unfair to her so even if he comes to know that she killed Ashwin, I am sure he will justify it by saying she killed him because he tried to me and Ashwin was never a good father.. So, the sooner Saanjh realizes that she has to fight this battle alone, the better for her.. the people she is trusting ( Arjun and Samay) are only going to pull her down.. With Prem's death, I hope to see a completely different Saanjh.. strong and fiesty in actions not words alone.. there is no need to prove anything to anyone.. also rushing yo Maya to confront her with every shred of evidence she has, I hope she doesn't do it again..

Edited by MistyDawn - 8 years ago

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annihilation

@annihilation

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Posted: 8 years ago

#25

Originally posted by: MistyDawn
@sweetshruti @annihilation- I don't doubt or question Saanjh's intentions behind her actions.. I am convinced that she doesn't want Arjun in that sense though I feel she is still deeply concerned for his well being.. But her strategy to get Arjun on her side to strengthen Ayaan's case is a bad one.. On one hand it can help her as annihilation suggests, but she has to understand that it can be equally counter productive... He didn't care about Ayaan then, why would he care now.. If anything that can get Arjun on their side is by successfully proving in court that Maya has been playing games all along.. it can not be the other way round i.e getting Arjun on their side to win the case.. Now that Maya is pregnant with his child, he is going to be even more fiercely protective of her and will be ready to give a her chance to heal for ''their'' child's sake.. He has already announced Ashwin and Jhanvi have been unfair to her so even if he comes to know that she killed Ashwin, I am sure he will justify it by saying she killed him because he tried to me and Ashwin was never a good father.. So, the sooner Saanjh realizes that she has to fight this battle alone, the better for her.. the people she is trusting ( Arjun and Samay) are only going to pull her down.. With Prem's death, I hope to see a completely different Saanjh.. strong and fiesty in actions not words alone.. there is no need to prove anything to anyone..

That's exactly where the writing proves time and again to be just terrible. It's so obvious that they probably mean to make Maya some sort of super human entity. It's incredibly stupid how Saanjh, Vadanan and others fall for Maya's traps every time, get tricked every time, never manage to successfully pull of something intelligent enough to bring her down. Like Shruti too said, they're always and still running around in circles. I hope so too, it's HIGH time someone actually be able to 'teach' Maya some lessons now.

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MistyDawn

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Posted: 8 years ago

#26

Originally posted by: .annihilation.

That's exactly where the writing proves time and again to be just terrible. It's so obvious that they probably mean to make Maya some sort of super human entity. It's incredibly stupid how Saanjh, Vadanan and others fall for Maya's traps every time, get tricked every time, never manage to successfully pull of something intelligent enough to bring her down. Like Shruti too said, they're always and still running around in circles. I hope so too, it's HIGH time someone actually be able to 'teach' Maya some lessons now.

yeah! its bad script plus some below average acting.. Vandana for instance.. throughout her scenes with Maya, she overacts so much.. even a dumbass can tell she is hiding or plotting something.. those isharas when she prods Saanjh to pick up the vegetable peels.. unnecessary stammering and sweating when talking to Maya.. why can't they keep it subtle and smart? then Saanjh.. I sort of agree with Shruti about the polarized views on her character.. how many times she told Arjun you mean nothing to me..and then again she goes back to him only to get humiliated.. there's a thin line between selflessness and having questionable self respect..glad she gave him a piece of her mind yesterday.. but she should learn from your mistakes and restrategize when needed.. I think makers want/force viewers to debate over this battle between the ladies over Arjun.. that's why such scenes..

I want Saanjh to beat Maya in her own game.. and no mercy for Arjun either...as far as I am concerned, he is as much Maya's accomplice as Samay..

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Sid

@Get-Lost

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Posted: 8 years ago

#27

Originally posted by: .annihilation.

That's exactly where the writing proves time and again to be just terrible. It's so obvious that they probably mean to make Maya some sort of super human entity. It's incredibly stupid how Saanjh, Vadanan and others fall for Maya's traps every time, get tricked every time, never manage to successfully pull of something intelligent enough to bring her down. Like Shruti too said, they're always and still running around in circles. I hope so too, it's HIGH time someone actually be able to 'teach' Maya some lessons now.

Amen to that but sorry to say after watching today's episode it felt like they are going the Maya-redemption-way amid this new revelation of baby. Its too good to be true; the behavior of Maya and Arjun after the baby thing. Almost as if all their prior wrongdoings are cleansed with holy water and it all looks so 'fake'. One thing is for sure, Maya ain't getting any sympathies even with the baby thing so I fail to understand its purpose.

The only person who could have really challenged Maya in her own game was Samay but he is gone way past recovery. Very unfair from Samay's perspective. Anyways, you are right, this show is going in circles and circles with some pieces of high-voltage murder drama thrown in between.

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annihilation

@annihilation

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Posted: 8 years ago

#28

Originally posted by: Get-Lost

Amen to that but sorry to say after watching today's episode it felt like they are going the Maya-redemption-way amid this new revelation of baby. Its too good to be true; the behavior of Maya and Arjun after the baby thing. Almost as if all their prior wrongdoings are cleansed with holy water and it all looks so 'fake'. One thing is for sure, Maya ain't getting any sympathies even with the baby thing so I fail to understand its purpose.
The only person who could have really challenged Maya in her own game was Samay but he is gone way past recovery. Very unfair from Samay's perspective. Anyways, you are right, this show is going in circles and circles with some pieces of high-voltage murder drama thrown in between.

Agreed. The problem with this show is, there's absolutely nobody you could root for all thanks to the terrible writing.

You can't root for Maya because she's not that kind of a 'baddie' who'd root for. Most legendary antagonists/villains in great stories abide by their own code, they care squat for people, for rules, for general function of the world, for humanity and they take pride in who they're and they acknowledge it. They know and fully acknowledge that what they do is because they want to do it. But Maya's always on board with her 'I didn't do it, people made me do it' train, creates drama and cries and expects people to white wash her deeds on the basis of her childhood trauma. For the longest of time she remained the character who kept me tied to the show but things have gone way too far now.

You can't root for Saanjh/Vandana and team because even though they're innately good people, their approach, ideas, way of working, etc just keeps disappointing you to no end. The only reason I'm on their team is because they have suffered enough and this torturefest needs to end. Enough of Maya and her unleashing Hell on everyone around her.

You can't root for Arjun because he's practically brain dead, Samay bought in some hope but man turned out to be lunatic. What do I watch this show for and for whom? Whatever they're going to try is mostly likely not going to earn any sympathies for Maya, at least not from me.

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annihilation

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Posted: 8 years ago

#29

Originally posted by: MistyDawn

yeah! its bad script plus some below average acting.. Vandana for instance.. throughout her scenes with Maya, she overacts so much.. even a dumbass can tell she is hiding or plotting something.. those isharas when she prods Saanjh to pick up the vegetable peels.. unnecessary stammering and sweating when talking to Maya.. why can't they keep it subtle and smart? then Saanjh.. I sort of agree with Shruti about the polarized views on her character.. how many times she told Arjun you mean nothing to me..and then again she goes back to him only to get humiliated.. there's a thin line between selflessness and having questionable self respect..glad she gave him a piece of her mind yesterday.. but she should learn from your mistakes and restrategize when needed.. I think makers want/force viewers to debate over this battle between the ladies over Arjun.. that's why such scenes..
I want Saanjh to beat Maya in her own game.. and no mercy for Arjun either...as far as I am concerned, he is as much Maya's accomplice as Samay..

I get what you mean. Many of the times, both Saanjh and Vandana give out such clear reactions that even a 5yr old kid would be able to tell that something's up with these two. Yes, Maya scares the crap out of people and that's her style but you have known better, should have thus acted better. It's gone to the point where I'm more like, let Maya (with or without Samay) let just kill everyone and then the show can end. 😆

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shruti

@Logical-Indian

Voyager

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Posted: 8 years ago

#30

Originally posted by: .annihilation.

I completely agree with 90% of the things you said. I think the only explanation I have is when the writers themselves are hell bent on making Maya some super powerful, ever present and knowing, unconquerable sort of an entity, everyone infront of her are mere mortals. They probably abide by the logic of making one character super duper intelligent thereby dumbing down the others by default. Although, I disagree with the part that Saanjh's words and actions are contradicting. I think the only reason she wanted him to know it all throughout was because if they could pull Arjun to their side, it serves the purpose of exposing the reality of Maya to the world and saving Ayaan, Arjun, his entire family and basically everyone to whom Maya's existence/presence around is life-threatening. I personally and others may be as well, have always called out Saanjh on her stupidity but didn't doubt her intentions or motive because there wasn't anything at all to doubt on.

I don't think Saanjh has any intention of wanting Arjun for herself anymore. I think she has come to terms with the fact that Arjun is not interested in her romantically. So in that sense I definitely don't have any doubt on Saanjh's intentions .

That being said they have not made it very clear or convincing though her actions that her intention of letting Arjun know the truth is ONLY for the sake of having him testify against Maya and hence save Ayaan. Her reasoning for telling Arjun the truth has always been to "save Arjun" from Maya. Which is understandable considering she still cares deeply for him as a friend and still has a soft spot for him in her heart as he was (is) her first love. So if she is deeply concerned about Arjun ( like Vandana is) and is acting on that concern as well as to save Ayaan then her claiming that she does not care about Arjun AT ALL becomes a contradiction because that's clearly not the case. That's why I said that I understand why a lot of viewers are not convinced that Saanjh does not have Arjun on her mind because her actions prove otherwise.

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