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anshvi

@anshvi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#631

It will always be others' fault.

If Vandana had accepted Maya then Maya would not have killed anyone so now it is Vadnana's 'karma' that she got killed and she deserved it 😕

It was Ayaan's 'karma' that he got jailed and brutally hit by the car because he used bad words and because he instigated so now it is his fault and is bearing the consequences 😕

It was Saanjh's 'karma' that Prem died..it was her fault. 😕

I don't understand one thing...shouldn't punishment be decided as per the mistake

If a man steals say 10 rs. then is it his karma or punishment if he gets hanged for that..will that be fair 😕

If he steals money then he should be in prison for a few days right not get hanged !

Same way if Vandana didn't accept Maya so she deserves death 😕 If Vandana was an orthodox woman so she deserves to die in a box like this 😕

If Ayaan wanted to save his brother and thus instigated Maya so he deserves to be in jail and in hospital and lose his mom 😕

If Saanjh tried to prove Maya wrong and tried to be Arjun's support so it's her fault and punishment that Prem died 😕

So , all these people deserve what all they are going through ?

How is that even fair ?

I completely disagree with those who say that because of their mistakes Maya is doing all this and it is their karma if they are suffering.

I don't understand that few can empathize with Maya on one hand but on the other don't feel empathy for these characters

Yes they are humans and they may have made mistakes but they don't deserve what they have gone through because of Maya.

As I said death sentence for stealing food or 10rs how is that fair ! Punishment should be decided as per the crime.

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Mandy

@BeyondHorizon

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Posted: 8 years ago

#632

@Shruthi - I felt the same too. Had VM and Saanjh stayed back in the hospital they probably could have survived and Saanjh could have arranged for security as well. Maya yes! She could have been a force to reckon with but sadly she is wrecking ball. Arjun is just a boy toy. He could never have understood Maya and helped her.

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tanvismile

@tanvismile

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Posted: 8 years ago

#633

One can't guarantee that vm would be safe at the hospital or mathur s place. Maya can attack anywhere the moment she finds vm alone.

It is not easy to get security in the mid night. Remember though a week has passed for audiences but in the show its just same night.

Saanjh and vm are humans they feel sad and shattered. Arjun just lost his baby, ayaan is in hospital, Arjun is upset, those were moments where they wanted some relaxation. They were just fed up of life. Not even few hours passed and maya attacked vandana.

Like that vandana is also at fault for opening the door trice at the mid night. There was no alertness on her part but can we blame her? She was mentally exhausted.

If at all anyone s mistake is there then it's arjun who dint put maya behind bars knowing she killed ayaan. He got selfish for baby and due to that he not only lost his baby but vandana also.

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Mandy

@BeyondHorizon

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Posted: 8 years ago

#634

Originally posted by: siri456
I liked the way cv's showed the death of vandana..like vandana didn't hear the cries of child Maya who was torchered under ashwin even Maya didn't hear the cries of vandana...people used to justify her mental harassment on Maya as she is mom she can do anything to protect her child..if that can be justified then what Maya did can also be justified as she also lost her child due to her...she was even ready to kill Maya when she put her son in jail if that and all can be justified as mother even what Maya did is also justified as a mother...being a mother doesn't give you a right to torcher others...mentally harass others...I was really pissed off with vandana when she was cursing the unborn child even after its death...it shows how much insane she was..I was really angry at Maya how she could let go saanjh easily when she killed her first child...glad cv's showed it was fake if that was real even saanjh would have killed by maya very long back...vandana wanted bad and mad Maya so she get that...being mother is not vandana mata's exclusive right

I guess its about time we stopped blaming others for Maya's actions. Saanjh pulling Maya off the stage which caused her fake miscarriage or Maya slipping off the stairs was not a deliberate act on Saanjh or VM's part. Neither of them did it with the intention of letting Maya suffer a miscarriage. All VM wanted was to go to Ayan and expose Maya's truth. It was Maya who came in front of VM and stopped her from going to her son who was on deathbed and coz of whom? Maya! Why didn't Maya think of her state and give preference to her child rather than tailing after VM? VM felt God snatched Maya's child from her coz she made an attempt to kill her child. If someone has put ur child on deathbed would you sympathize with them if they lost their child? I guess no. You will feel that person deserved what they got and so did VM. But she did realise her mistake. She knew she was wrong to curse that child as it was not just Maya's but Arjun's as well. She had the grace to admit she was responsible for the death of her grandchild but what of Maya who commits a crime and later justifies her actions? I am not justifying VM but her actions are understandable. You cannot call a person vile for being human and humans err but can the same be said about Maya? Vandana had given Maya the benefit of doubt when she came back from asylum but after being confirmed of her brutally harming her son, would VM be OK? Should she have told Maya you butchered my son but you are pregnant. So all your crimes can be forgiven? VM did not deserve to die. Had VM pushed Maya I would still say she was responsible for the accident but she did not. It was Maya who lost the grip and fell. As for VM making an attempt to kill Maya it was on pure impulse and not a calculated move like Maya's. Maya had falsely accused Ayan of rape. Her son who was about to be married is now behind bars coz of an insane woman. Being a mother it was wrong on VM's part to retaliate? What crime had VM committed that Maya resorted to put Ayan behind bars? Maya had made a deliberate attempt to ruin VM's son's life but had VM deliberately pushed Maya to suffer a miscarriage? How can the two situations be compared even?

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shreya

@crystalmoon

Voyager

Posted: 8 years ago

#635

Originally posted by: BeyondHorizon
@Shruthi - I felt the same too. Had VM and Saanjh stayed back in the hospital they probably could have survived and Saanjh could have arranged for security as well. Maya yes! She could have been a force to reckon with but sadly she is wrecking ball. Arjun is just a boy toy. He could never have understood Maya and helped her.

Whenever I encounter such post where Saanjh,Vandana and Ayan are blamed for not being clever or careful enough to deal with Maya, I cant help but compare the situation to that of rape victims.

Even there the victims are criminalised, such absurd justification is given to rapist too

Its not his fault she was wearing such short clothes

Why was she out at night , if she remained indoors like a good girl this wouldn't have happened

She was drunk so obviously wanted this to happen to her.etc

Victim shaming results in a society where criminals get out scotch free and are often proud of their acts because no matter what they do there will be someone who will always justify them.

We as a society should realise that it is never the victims fault and no amount horrendous acts from there side should result in acts of rape and murder.

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Mandy

@BeyondHorizon

Stunner

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Posted: 8 years ago

#636

Originally posted by: tanvismile
One can't guarantee that vm would be safe at the hospital or mathur s place. Maya can attack anywhere the moment she finds vm alone.
It is not easy to get security in the mid night. Remember though a week has passed for audiences but in the show its just same night.

Saanjh and vm are humans they feel sad and shattered. Arjun just lost his baby, ayaan is in hospital, Arjun is upset, those were moments where they wanted some relaxation. They were just fed up of life. Not even few hours passed and maya attacked vandana.

Like that vandana is also at fault for opening the door trice at the mid night. There was no alertness on her part but can we blame her? She was mentally exhausted.

If at all anyone s mistake is there then it's arjun who dint put maya behind bars knowing she killed ayaan. He got selfish for baby and due to that he not only lost his baby but vandana also.

Have an uber long list of complaints against Maya but the others have erred too. Maybe its not that big a crime in front of Maya's but they too contributed to the chain of events that followed later. The only person in this entire series who can't be faulted in my POV is Prem and sadly he is no more Right from start I felt he was the only voice of reason in the show. Others had their share of flaws.

VM - She could never accept anyone else other than Saanjh for Arjun. Plus her prejudice came in the way. OK she got to know Maya was mad. She tried to stop the wedding for her son's well being? Fair enough. But after the wedding she could have tried to give Maya one chance and see if she would prove her suspicions wrong. Not saying if she had done that, Maya wouldn't get insecure anymore but from her part she could have been the good mother in law. She could have encouraged Maya to get a treatment that would have helped the family. Well Maya may not have agreed to it but from VM's part she could have given that one chance for Maya to recover. Making an attempt and then failing is better than not making any at all.

Saanjh - For never realising her self worth. She always obsessed about Arjun, his happiness and his family's happiness. Am not saying that's a bad thing but you should know how to prioritize. Her 6th sense told her Maya is creepy and she blamed Maya right away. She wasn't wrong but she lacked tact. One needs to approach such scenarios with caution.

Ayaan - I can't blame him for hating Maya. Anyone would but he should have kept a distance rather than provoke Maya when she was in her last trimester. If he wanted to trap her to reveal herself he could waited for bandar's birth at least. So that the baby was out of harm's way before indulging in dangerous games with his hotness ki dukaan bhabhi 😛

Arjun - This guy only knows how to wish for things to happen in his life. He wants it the easy way and doesn't work hard to get what he wants. He does get them but doesn't realise every thing hgas its pros and cons. He only wants the pros minus the cons which is not possible.

As for Maya, I have listed her crimes many times 😆 So I will have nothing new to say.

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Mandy

@BeyondHorizon

Stunner

+ 6

Posted: 8 years ago

#637

Originally posted by: crystalmoon

Whenever I encounter such post where Saanjh,Vandana and Ayan are blamed for not being clever or careful enough to deal with Maya, I cant help but compare the situation to that of rape victims.

Even there the victims are criminalised, such absurd justification is given to rapist too

Its not his fault she was wearing such short clothes

Why was she out at night , if she remained indoors like a good girl this wouldn't have happened

She was drunk so obviously wanted this to happen to her.etc

Victim shaming results in a society where criminals get out scotch free and are often proud of their acts because no matter what they do there will be someone who will always justify them.

We as a society should realise that it is never the victims fault and no amount horrendous acts from there side should result in acts of rape and murder.

Not blaming anyone here but one can exercise caution. Its not bad. As for rape, rape is a sin but being careless is something you could have avoided. And being a feminist I have very strong views about rape and it should not be tolerated no matter what and a girl going out or wearing short clothes or for even being a s** worker is no excuse.

I am not saying Saanjh or VM deserve bad things to happen but one can act with tact is all I am saying. It doesn't harm you know. Why do you want to leave room for blunders? One learns from mistakes. Saanjh and VM are not only at risk themselves but they risked Ayan's life too. He is barely recovering and u leave him on his own. Who does that?

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shreya

@crystalmoon

Voyager

Posted: 8 years ago

#638

Exercise caution for how long exactly.

It was a traumatic night Saanjh could have been with either Grieving Vandana or Wounded Ayan.

Arjun had gone gods knows where to lick his wounds, drinking his sorrows not receiving her calls

so at the time she did what she could which was best for everyone.

And no amount of carefulness or caution could have stopped Maya

I think it is a established fact that Maya can commit murder in all sorts of situations no matter what the circumstances are.

Ashwin had a gun and she was wearing a heavy lehnga.
Samaya was taller and stronger than her she still managed to manhandle and throw him in the back of her car.

She was 8 months pregnant when she tried to kill Ayan.

Even if Saanjh and Vandana had hired a trained bodyguard to protect themselves Maya would have found a way, because thats the sort of person she is. She thinks it is due to Vandana that Arjun left her and not because of her own sins and hence would have crossed all the limits to avenge her pain.

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naomihyuga

@naomihyuga

Dazzler

Posted: 8 years ago

#639

@shruti di yes maya would have been wonderful person if even one person in her life could show her the correct path that's the reason I can't hate maya her childhood has a huge imprint on her which eventually destroyed her life the same reason i can't symphatisympathise with saanjh she had that love family her dad to always support n show her the direction but she turned out like this it was her mistake unlike maya whose circumstances influenced her as a child at arjun he is the type of husband I wouldn't even wish for my enemy

Arjun can whatever he wants marry dusky etc etc I want maya to be happy at the end

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shruthiravi

@shruthiravi

Stunner

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Posted: 8 years ago

#640

@Mandy yes Prem was the voice of reason in the show, like the metaphor love. He didnt directly go and insult anyone or provoked anyone, but paid the price of Saanjh's tactlessness.

Coming to VM yes one chance at the right time is what should have mattered. In season if she had given that chance and failed well no one could have questioned her. But she didnt give that one chance to Maya based on pure judgement.

Again in season 3 she didnt hear the voice of her son who was resenting. There was no need to slap Ayan. If you look in both scenarios Vandana stood with criminals. Ashwin was the criminal in season 1 and Maya in season 3. The voice of victim didnt reach her at all even when it was her own son. Instead of angering Ayan she could have easily told Ayan see she is pregnant, the baby is also that of your brother. Let the baby come safe. At this point please have patience. It might have helped to calm Ayan than the slap VM gave which angered him more as even Saanjh didnt hear his cries. voice of victim matters at the right time, before victim turns criminal as happened in Maya's case or a death as it can happen to Ayan.

@crystal there is a lot of difference between caution and victim blaming. Maya is not doing this first time. Saanjh and vm knows the bad and mad Maya. So shouldnt you exercise basic caution. Second Ayan is a critically injured person with whom one person has to be there always. You dont leave that person alone. When my mom had pacemaker last year and was hospitalized if the doctor/nurses didnt see anyone in the room when they came they used to blast us even if we had gone to hospital restuarent. Dont leave patient alone as she has just recovered from a critical issue. Here Ayan is alone when Saanjh goes with Arjun, Saanjh goes with Vandana. Caution, common sense are expected. Maya can do even if they exercise caution. But then it gives more credibility to them. Doing stupid things after stupid things and getting killed you cant empathize. It is not first time Maya is doing something to them.

Coming to rape I am a very strong feminist and dress should not be a criteria to judge a person, nor the fact they had previous relations or whether they are prostitute. Rape is a rape. And that is why i told Ayan is the victim of season 3 as Maya falsely accused him and VM should have heard his voice than support Maya giving him a slap. That slap did make Ayan more vengeful.

Edited by shruthiravi - 8 years ago

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