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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: sunithi

it's about a petrified mom whom always fought for her son happiness,who can predict the future of son from horoscope and seeing a person twice or thrice..

Arjun has been living with Maya for some years and telling she is bimar but as usual the petrified mom instinct claims she is evil not bimar since her son can't take correct decision...

If VM petrified mom who can curse a son,disowns her son then a person who has been called as pagal allowed to do whatever Maya is doing right..she is after all pagal,bimar..

Exactly it's not an ideal world,here VM the petrified mom can curse a son out of anger and a 9 year child who has been called as pagal or made to believe by her father and a mom who never helped her daughter at the most needed time is jux evil...how so???..

A boy who was jux 6 year ve been called as duffer or made to believe by shoving his decision r always wrong is jux correct???
Here the 2 child's r made to believe duffer and pagal by some people,it's jux the perception or the reality..for that v need to wait and watch..

Who named Arjun duffer??wanna know now??


I always said,No1 is Saint in this story even VM...I see every1 faultered like the way I see Maya..Maya is wrong as every 1...


Hi! again.

I just saw this and thought to give this a closure which you and I both need.

I understand we have different perspectives in life, but what I don't get is you mock someone for being too much into astrology(hey, I don't believe in astrology either) or being intuitive and then cause a hullabaloo over same person for putting curse on someone(that too in a fit of rage).But, who am I to judge anyone's belief anyway?

Our dear writers have given us a contrast between mothers.One is a weakling of a mother who couldn't save her child from a monster husband and one is an overprotective mother who would cross lengths to fight for her sons' well beings. One is bashed for not setting her child her first priority and other for interfering too much in her son's life.

My point is you are comparing a petrified(in your words) mother and a full blown psychopath.That is so not fair. No, everyone is not faltered like Maya is. And Maya is not allowed to do whatever she feels in the name of mental disorders. There is a place for mentally ill people (asylum) where they treat patients with empathy, patience and discipline. She is ill and she needs treatment. She needs to be kept away so that she cannot hurt others or herself.

Maybe, we view things with different windows. So, I don't share concerns with you on Saanjh calling Arjun duffer. She is not calling that maliciously. Arjun's self confidence was not affected by that. Arjun calls Sannjh dusky lovingly too and if my memory serves me right Maya and Arjun used to call their unborn child Bandar. It is nothing to make a fuss over it.

I said it before I'll repeat it again, names and tags don't define us our actions do. Ya, I'll agree that calling someone Pagal needs to be condoned. I hate this word a lot and i wish people will start treating mental disorders or illness like physical illness. Not just tagging people Pagal.

We don't know Maya's full story yet. We have seen only Maya's version. For me to comment on Ashwin's harassment of Maya over Maya's Sach is a little difficult.

But in Maya's case, she is indeed evil. I am sorry I can't sympathize with someone who has destroyed lives, killed people for love. No childhood abuse or a sob story can erase that. And no Maya is not comparable to other characters(having faults which makes them human not faultless machines) excluding Samay.

For me, slitting someone's throat is a bigger crime than being petrified,cursing someone or petty name calling.

So, I'll end it right here. I won't argue over this anymore with you. I can't change your perspective nor do i wish to.

Let's enjoy this never seen before series on Indian TV with two opposite perspectives.
Edited by samaira_samy - 8 years ago
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One more thing I need to put is, if ever you have a goal and things dont go as they expect, stop and introspect, mistake is in your thoughts or actions, which may not be easily visible. But if you spend sometime you can reach what exactly is causing the trouble and preventing you from reaching the goal.
And if something catastrophic happens, and if you feel the mistake is within you, there will always be a fear to try again. But again mistake has to understood, lessons learned and do necessary course correction and next attempt has to be made.

The first part of reaching your mistakes is break down, the realization there is some mistake from your side. Not many can do it because they find justifications for their actions. Ability to introspect makes you a great human being and a path breaker. Ability to accept mistakes and learn from them makes you a human in true sense.



It's a personal journey, but you need courage to take it. Because the point is what gets revealed can break you or make you. It is not what you expect that gets revealed, lot of astonishing funda about you get revealed especially your biases, prejudices, ego and selfishness that has motivated the actions.

If anyone is interested they can start reading a book called " Blink " . Also you can take

https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/india/takeatest.html

It is a very interesting test, but be prepared it might throw some unpleasant truth about you also. So it is only for those who are open minded and can take the results with open mind and take both the pleasant and unpleasant results openly and have some time to evaluate them and take some positive steps for correction if applicable. I have personally taken this test 😃


Your thoughts are like software programme. If they are correct your goal will be realized as the communication with brains happens through our thoughts as neuron pulses. All thoughts matters conscious, subconscious and unconscious.

If a program crashes causing loss of lives or loss of business the question will come to programmer, tester and the quality auditor. Fun is the blame game. Programmer will blame tester, tester will blame programmer, both will blame quality auditor, auditor will show reports where they have told this application have bugs errors whatever. In short everyone wants to put on blame on everyone else telling they didnt do any wrong. Will put a personal experience also.

I still remember a project in 2006 for which I was the quality auditor. We have to do pre delivery checks before release. We have to test critical path. But I had the habit of involving myself with the team, doing occasional testing of all functionality even before it came for pre-delivery check. So sometimes I used to sit late night and all with dev team.
When new head came for quality she told doing too much testing is testing team's job and not QD's team. For pre delivery check QD only need to do critical path testing and fill the release check list.
So there was a release on one Monday. Friday I did some sample testing and told tester if there is any issue call me over weekend. He said fine. I also didnt bother to call him, as QD head had told extensive testing not needed also I had planned a party with my friends over weekend as some of us cleared a certification exam. Party went fine, weekend went fine. As planned I did the critical path testing and gave the release checklist.

Release went badly as client was angry calling even the CEO. Blame game went on with programmer blaming tester, tester blaming programmer, both blaming QD, our team telling we do this and we have done this. Finally fire fighting started and we gave the application.

But it had affected me deeply as a person. Yes the guideline was there, but I should have gone over weekend. I should have done some testing. Because the power to stop the release rested with me. I could have. For some days it was difficult for me to sign another pre delivery check, but I slowly got over it, trying to analyze where I went wrong in the previous instance including identification of critical path. I didnt think of the programmer who didnt do the right coding, or the tester who didnt test the things correctly, it was all about me and what I could have done in the given situation. I cannot correct their faults, but I can correct mine.

And that guilt stayed with me for over an year till I was able to stop a release by finding defects that the testing team was unable to find. Yes the communication went to customer on a delay in release, but the final release went smooth and lot of client appreciations came in. I got special award also from the account team. I have got many other awards in my life, but this award I keep close to my heart always as a professional. Because it was the result of introspection and course correction. It was also the proof of failure shouldnt put you down, fear shouldnt stop you, learning from mistake, you can over come fear and opportunity will present itself where your learning and experience will help you to shine through.


If you want to defeat Maya or perception you have to rise above it, you have to introspect. As rightly said by Saanjh Maya plays with your brains, your ego, Maya cannot touch your heart that sees the truth for what it is. Your ego sees first others and maybe others only when something goes wrong. Your heart sees first you when something goes wrong. Ability to point finger inward checking your mistakes is the first step towards winning over Maya or perception. Because once you do that, you dont do the things Maya expect you to do. You dont give Maya an opportunity to justify the crime. Maya will stand exposed as bad and mad. It is not just the girl, but the perceptions of everyone will stand exposed when one is able to rise above Maya with introspection. As everyone's ego will be killed.


Edited by shruthiravi - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

One more thing I need to put is, if ever you have a goal and things dont go as they expect, stop and introspect, mistake is in your thoughts or actions, which may not be easily visible. But if you spend sometime you can reach what exactly is causing the trouble and preventing you from reaching the goal.

And if something catastrophic happens, and if you feel the mistake is within you, there will always be a fear to try again. But again mistake has to understood, lessons learned and do necessary course correction and next attempt has to be made.

The first part of reaching your mistakes is break down, the realization there is some mistake from your side. Not many can do it because they find justifications for their actions. Ability to introspect makes you a great human being and a path breaker. Ability to accept mistakes and learn from them makes you a human in true sense.



It's a personal journey, but you need courage to take it. Because the point is what gets revealed can break you or make you. It is not what you expect that gets revealed, lot of astonishing funda about you get revealed especially your biases, prejudices, ego and selfishness that has motivated the actions.

If anyone is interested they can start reading a book called " Blink " . Also you can take

https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/india/takeatest.html

It is a very interesting test, but be prepared it might throw some unpleasant truth about you also. So it is only for those who are open minded and can take the results with open mind and take both the pleasant and unpleasant results openly and have some time to evaluate them and take some positive steps for correction if applicable. I have personally taken this test 😃


Your thoughts are like software programme. If they are correct your goal will be realized as the communication with brains happens through our thoughts as neuron pulses. All thoughts matters conscious, subconscious and unconscious.

If a program crashes causing loss of lives or loss of business the question will come to programmer, tester and the quality auditor. Fun is the blame game. Programmer will blame tester, tester will blame programmer, both will blame quality auditor, auditor will show reports where they have told this application have bugs errors whatever. In short everyone wants to put on blame on everyone else telling they didnt do any wrong. Will put a personal experience also.

I still remember a project in 2006 for which I was the quality auditor. We have to do pre delivery checks before release. We have to test critical path. But I had the habit of involving myself with the team, doing occasional testing of all functionality even before it came for pre-delivery check. So sometimes I used to sit late night and all with dev team.
When new head came for quality she told doing too much testing is testing team's job and not QD's team. For pre delivery check QD only need to do critical path testing and fill the release check list.
So there was a release on one Monday. Friday I did some sample testing and told tester if there is any issue call me over weekend. He said fine. I also didnt bother to call him, as QD head had told extensive testing not needed also I had planned a party with my friends over weekend as some of us cleared a certification exam. Party went fine, weekend went fine. As planned I did the critical path testing and gave the release checklist.

Release went badly as client was angry calling even the CEO. Blame game went on with programmer blaming tester, tester blaming programmer, both blaming QD, our team telling we do this and we have done this. Finally fire fighting started and we gave the application.

But it had affected me deeply as a person. Yes the guideline was there, but I should have gone over weekend. I should have done some testing. Because the power to stop the release rested with me. I could have. For some days it was difficult for me to sign another pre delivery check, but I slowly got over it, trying to analyze where I went wrong in the previous instance including identification of critical path. I didnt think of the programmer who didnt do the right coding, or the tester who didnt test the things correctly, it was all about me and what I could have done in the given situation. I cannot correct their faults, but I can correct mine.

And that guilt stayed with me for over an year till I was able to stop a release by finding defects that the testing team was unable to find. Yes the communication went to customer on a delay in release, but the final release went smooth and lot of client appreciations came in. I got special award also from the account team. I have got many other awards in my life, but this award I keep close to my heart always as a professional. Because it was the result of introspection and course correction. It was also the proof of failure shouldnt put you down, fear shouldnt stop you, learning from mistake, you can over come fear and opportunity will present itself where your learning and experience will help you to shine through.


If you want to defeat Maya or perception you have to rise above it, you have to introspect. As rightly said by Saanjh Maya plays with your brains, your ego, Maya cannot touch your heart that sees the truth for what it is. Your ego sees first others and maybe others only when something goes wrong. Your heart sees first you when something goes wrong. Ability to point finger inward checking your mistakes is the first step towards winning over Maya or perception. Because once you do that, you dont do the things Maya expect you to do. You dont give Maya an opportunity to justify the crime. Maya will stand exposed as bad and mad. It is not just the girl, but the perceptions of everyone will stand exposed when one is able to rise above Maya with introspection. As everyone's ego will be killed.


excellent shruti..Saanj might raise high this time with involving arjun she should fight and expose Maya...Let arjun learn himself the truth rather than every time runNing behind him to show dekh tumahari maya yeh kardiya woh kardiya!!
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Posted: 8 years ago
@sindu that Mauritus Pandit tells one thing. The journey to one's destination is personal which each one has to take. You have to own it. You cannot point fingers and tell you asked me, you told me. You have to make the choices and bear the consequences of the choices.
All the 3 characters has to undertake their personal journey. Arjun has to do it than being a football, Saanjh has to do it than baby sitting Arjun, overcoming her fear, Maya has to do it than expecting Arjun to do everything for her or justifying everything in the name of Arjun.

A show becomes path breaker when the individual journey's converge to give something meaningful, something positive and something to hope for.

We have day and night, but day cannot move to night without dusk and night cannot move to day without dawn. dusk and dawn is the critical medium that connects day and night.

There was a scene where Saanjh calls herself Durga. Durga is that form of Adiparashakthi that has both Gowri and Kali. Kali to destroy what needs to be destroyed and Gowri to restore what needs to be restored.

She has to be Saanjh and Savera as the situation demands. The medium cannot run away. Time has to bring the medium and put her on the battle ground. Because she holds the critical power which can blow away not just the destructive aspects of Maya, but also the power of the system that has created the girl Maya.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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What a beautiful symbolic episode. Arjun's portrait in Maya's blood. Do you know the color of love and war are the same, red. It depends on how you look at it. Maya's life was in black and white. She was afraid of colors. Arjun bought the color of love for her. The red gown, where he tells Maya colors want to choose you. Maya the girl feels that color will cure all her problems, will protect her from all the problems. But then it turns out to be her perception or Maya. Because the arjun she drew was in black and white. But Arjun had many shades. Shades of a son, a friend, a brother, a professional which she never understood. She didnt understand rainbow has seven colors and it looks only beautiful when all colors are together. Reason nobody showed her the rainbow, which is a beautiful illusion of the nature.

Now the color red which Arjun threw on her has become the color of war. Arjun's portrait is in Maya's blood, complete red. A war is going to be fought for this man. A war was being fought for this man by 3 women. VM, Saanjh and Maya. Incidently they are not competitors. VM is mother, Saanjh is friend, Maya is wife. Is a war necessary. Unfortuantely no. But what to do Maya or perception creates the war. When love is based on perceptions and expectations, Maya happens due to unfulfilled expectations and then that perception makes love into war.

VM wanted Saanjh as bahu, was Arjun consulted on this. Answer is no. But when Arjun bought Maya as his love VM couldnt take it. Her expectation was broken and she couldnt accept it. She put all blame on Maya for the problems.

Saanjh was the friend, but then did she observe the limit of friendship. No. Till limit was there, there was no issue. Today Saanjh asked Samay to stay in the room when Arjun came. Same thing Maya deserved when Saanjh called Arjun to the restaurent to talk and told him not to tell Maya. Perception was created for Maya. She went to break the relation, Saanjh also put everything on Maya for the mistakes she comitted and her broken expectation.

Now coming to Maya herself. Her belief if you leave a person that person will leave you has made her do that portrait. No one had showed her otherwise. But Arjun is coming back to her. Between friendship and love he has chosen love and he is coming back to her. Alas, too late a communication Maya did and too late a decision Arjun took. A talk that should have happened on the night when Maya burned her hands and protected Saanjh, happened tonight. Samay is not happy. He was happy when he heard Maya has left Arjun, he left Saanjh's hand. But then Arjun choose Maya and Samay looked menancing.

Now a war is going to be fought. Does anyone know why it is being fought, for what it is being fought. Do you have the dharma or knowledge to fight the war. Do you know whether you are shedding the blood for the right cause. Are the tears for the right cause. What will you gain fighting your loved ones, your friends, your dear and near ones. Is a person, is a country, is anything worth fighting such a war. These are not my questions. This is the question Arjuna asks to Krishna on the war front. Asking him why he should fight the war. And knowledge is given to him in the form of Bhagvad Gita. That he has to fight the war. For establishing the right knowledge, for establishing the power of love because only that can sustain life on earth.

Today VM gave another curse to Arjun that his path will not be easier because he left the hand of Saanjh who stood by him in all calamities. Words told once cannot be taken back VM. Did you for once think before uttering those words why your son took that decision. Arjun was there for Prem's funeral. And mind you he reversed your idiotic decision. Arjun again came back and spoke to Saanjh. Did she know what Samay spoke to Arjun. Did she know what Samay feels about that friendship. Well she doesnt. What she has is half knowledge. Saanjh has Samay, you go to Maya. Any clue Mata rani what Samay is doing. Suman and Shubham is there. I am terrified now. Maya says she will make Saanjh's blood flow for Arjun.Who is there remaining. Her mom, her brother. Uff I hope not. But then VM had told what needs to be told, that Arjun will be alone, his path will be tough. And who told you have the right to say he should not come back to his friend. That right rests with Saanjh and Saanjh alone. Learn to respect others rights.

So Arjun has to travel that path, for his child as the child is his goal. He will go any extend for that child Mata. He will take your curse and travel the journey also. If a mother can go beyhadh for her child, a father will also go beyhadh for his child.
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Originally posted by: shruthiravi

29/5/2017

What a beautiful symbolic episode. Arjun's portrait in Maya's blood. Do you know the color of love and war are the same, red. It depends on how you look at it. Maya's life was in black and white. She was afraid of colors. Arjun bought the color of love for her. The red gown, where he tells Maya colors want to choose you. Maya the girl feels that color will cure all her problems, will protect her from all the problems. But then it turns out to be her perception or Maya. Because the arjun she drew was in black and white. But Arjun had many shades. Shades of a son, a friend, a brother, a professional which she never understood. She didnt understand rainbow has seven colors and it looks only beautiful when all colors are together. Reason nobody showed her the rainbow, which is a beautiful illusion of the nature.

Now the color red which Arjun threw on her has become the color of war. Arjun's portrait is in Maya's blood, complete red. A war is going to be fought for this man. A war was being fought for this man by 3 women. VM, Saanjh and Maya. Incidently they are not competitors. VM is mother, Saanjh is friend, Maya is wife. Is a war necessary. Unfortuantely no. But what to do Maya or perception creates the war. When love is based on perceptions and expectations, Maya happens due to unfulfilled expectations and then that perception makes love into war.

VM wanted Saanjh as bahu, was Arjun consulted on this. Answer is no. But when Arjun bought Maya as his love VM couldnt take it. Her expectation was broken and she couldnt accept it. She put all blame on Maya for the problems.

Saanjh was the friend, but then did she observe the limit of friendship. No. Till limit was there, there was no issue. Today Saanjh asked Samay to stay in the room when Arjun came. Same thing Maya deserved when Saanjh called Arjun to the restaurent to talk and told him not to tell Maya. Perception was created for Maya. She went to break the relation, Saanjh also put everything on Maya for the mistakes she comitted and her broken expectation.

Now coming to Maya herself. Her belief if you leave a person that person will leave you has made her do that portrait. No one had showed her otherwise. But Arjun is coming back to her. Between friendship and love he has chosen love and he is coming back to her. Alas, too late a communication Maya did and too late a decision Arjun took. A talk that should have happened on the night when Maya burned her hands and protected Saanjh, happened tonight. Samay is not happy. He was happy when he heard Maya has left Arjun, he left Saanjh's hand. But then Arjun choose Maya and Samay looked menancing.

Now a war is going to be fought. Does anyone know why it is being fought, for what it is being fought. Do you have the dharma or knowledge to fight the war. Do you know whether you are shedding the blood for the right cause. Are the tears for the right cause. What will you gain fighting your loved ones, your friends, your dear and near ones. Is a person, is a country, is anything worth fighting such a war. These are not my questions. This is the question Arjuna asks to Krishna on the war front. Asking him why he should fight the war. And knowledge is given to him in the form of Bhagvad Gita. That he has to fight the war. For establishing the right knowledge, for establishing the power of love because only that can sustain life on earth.

Today VM gave another curse to Arjun that his path will not be easier because he left the hand of Saanjh who stood by him in all calamities. Words told once cannot be taken back VM. Did you for once think before uttering those words why your son took that decision. Arjun was there for Prem's funeral. And mind you he reversed your idiotic decision. Arjun again came back and spoke to Saanjh. Did she know what Samay spoke to Arjun. Did she know what Samay feels about that friendship. Well she doesnt. What she has is half knowledge. Saanjh has Samay, you go to Maya. Any clue Mata rani what Samay is doing. Suman and Shubham is there. I am terrified now. Maya says she will make Saanjh's blood flow for Arjun.Who is there remaining. Her mom, her brother. Uff I hope not. But then VM had told what needs to be told, that Arjun will be alone, his path will be tough. And who told you have the right to say he should not come back to his friend. That right rests with Saanjh and Saanjh alone. Learn to respect others rights.

So Arjun has to travel that path, for his child as the child is his goal. He will go any extend for that child Mata. He will take your curse and travel the journey also. If a mother can go beyhadh for her child, a father will also go beyhadh for his child.


thank you for writing such beautiful post..😉
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Posted: 8 years ago
Guys another observation. I was puzzled on why Arjun was wearing black and Samay white. Today Arjun left Saanjh's hand. If we go to season 1 end, the choice was forced on Arjun, but yesterday Arjun made that choice for the child.
Saanjh says her father has left me, you are stranger. What I felt was that, once the perception broke for Saanjh, the dark part of her relation with Arjun leaves her. I mean that one sided urequited love, not the friendship per se. Time destroys the darkness in Saanjh so that the legacy of Prem shines through to its fullest. She accepts time, she accepts present.
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Posted: 8 years ago
@shruthiravi,this is another lovely analysis from you.
Yes VM is always wrong and talks without thinking. Her mind is filled with poison against Maya. she is always blind. She curses Arjun as he is her step son. She would never curse Ayaan like that.

Hope Arjun reaches Maya in time. I fear Maya may tell Samay to harm Saanjh. Hope Arjun comes back before Maya calls Samay.
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@Fragrance I am not sure, what Maya wants. I dont think she will simply call Samay. Because if you see Maya has to justify her crime. So first Saanjh has to do something and then Maya will do it.
VM takes decisions on half baked knowledge. She does what she thinks is right and that's the only right for her. But others cannot do that.
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Guys network issue. Typing from mobile.so will post analysis tomorrow as today's epi need extensive analysis and difficult to type from mobile.

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