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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: sunithi

@ Kushi Many of Ur answers r depends on future track..let's wait and watch then..

But for me mom cursing a son for chosing a path which she thinks is dangerous is beyond me..being a mom,try to stop Ur kid,yet it happens give Ur blessings and support him to surpass the struggle rather than cursing him to end up alone..if Arjun ends up alone,if Ur words r true VM loved him truly,she will be the one who will pay the heavy price becox of gulityness...

Though I am wrong,my mom never disowned me..she corrects me..


Name calling might look a simple phrase among friends,in my house my mom jux blast around randomly to any1 whom uses that to us..she feels it inbuilt the character in kid.duffer made him indecesive or not able to stick to his words...
If a mother can a change a future by giving curses,same way mom can avoided somethingT's in past by heeding to his son or daughter in-law .







Foundation of this whole argument is wrong. Vandana didn't curse him for choosing the dangerous path. She tried to make him understand her point. And at the end even tried to accept Maya, but that was too late. Maya's mission issolate Arjun was accomplished by then.


Vandana cursed Arjun when he tagged Ayan as his sautela brother,when he was on a rant against his brother without hearing his side. Dejected and angry Vandana cursed her son to remain alone in this battle forever.

To be honest in a fit of rage we do things we regret later. And we are talking about a mother who has put her life on stake to help her sons.


Names and tags don't define us, our actions do.

In an ideal world, may be people don't have such minute faults. But, sadly world is not a set of a Sooraj Barjatya movie after all.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: aekiel



Shruti feels that Saanjh's main aim is to separate ArYa and have Arjun for herself- that's where most of her judgements on the character seem to come from, and where we appear to differ.

She mentioned in a previous thread that she judged Saanjh and Vandana as Gods, essentially people who cannot make mistakes and can't be afforded the chance to do one, even inadvertently.

My $0.02 on that.

Saanjh accepted ArYa, albeit with a heavy heart (perfectly human, I'd say), for Arjun's sake.

She supported ArYa and even went against Vandana in the initial episodes after ArYa's marriage, and even went so far as to decorate the house and arrange honeymoon tickets out of her own money.

Maya has orchestrated plenty of situations to create misunderstandings between Saanjh and Arjun- the e-mail fiasco, the whole bit about promotions, knowing that Saanjh's level-headedness and Arjun's duffergiri would easily clash. I've not seen Saanjh create a single misunderstanding deliberately between ArYa. Even in the brinjal episode, where Saanjh understands that Maya loves Arjun, she immediately goes to Arjun and conveys the message, rather than hide it and plan a way to get Arjun for herself before Maya catches him.

Till the day Maya orchestrates the Bhaang fiasco, Saanjh is relatively pro-Maya and turns on her only when she knows what Maya's done, and realises what Vandana had been saying about her all along was true.

Maya then plays the miscarriage card (one I believe to be fake), and gets Arjun to banish Saanjh from their lives.

Maya then plants Samay in Saanjh's life, despite having Arjun all to herself for three years.

Saanjh's ethics are pretty sound- she could have had a moment of weakness when Arjun leant in for a kiss at the bar, but she realises that he is Maya's, and stops herself perfectly in time.

Finally, should ArYa separate- Saanjh will not force Arjun to marry her. Should Arjun say no, she will respect his wishes. Saanjh's aim is Arjun's happiness, even if it comes at the cost of her own.

My replies in blue- can't get the quote thingy to function properly on this forum at times.


I don't know exactly how Shruthi di judges Saanjh. But I can tell u abt my views on her.. i see her subconsciously drawn towards arjun even now. I don't say that she has any mal-intentions but one cannot deny the fact that Saanjh has her own shortcomings. Maya uses these in her favor hence she wins. If Saanjh was completely flawless, Maya wouldn't have anything to manipulate n use against her.

I mostly like Saanjh barring the Holi track. And courtroom track. Reason is that her mother told that she should leave ArYa n let them live their life. Saanjh understood this and tried her best to stay away from Arjun. Yet she tried to be "overly good" and "selfless" by helping Arjun in planning a surprise for Maya. The restaurant scene was mostly Arjun's fault for me as Saanjh stopped him. Like Maya stoppedrunning the car over VM. But Holi fiasco shows that she didn't bother that her friend is married but wanted to keep his relationship just the way it was earlier, like putting colors on him before anyone else does, also ignoring that Maya tried to save her from burning (that was the only moment when I felt that Maya was genuinely caring)

I too believe Maya's miscarriage was fake. But for Saanjh she was pregnant. She in a way misbehaved with a pregnant woman. It was an accident no doubt, but if Maya was pregnant, then? Saanjh too holds herself guilty for that, that's what makes her actually different from Maya.

In short Her feelings for Arjun might be very pure. But there needs to be a limit towards friendship when the person is married is my take.

Courtroom track she was on the right side, but her overconfidence made her lose. She went for theory not for proofs. Right now she wants Ayan to be free but her dumbness and self righteous behavior by announcing her victory to Maya (I do feel she has a personal grudge against Maya and it's kind of normal to have that after what has happened in the present track) in a way led to her losing her priceless possession, her dad. Very tragic but yes it's true.
If it was some other case, some other criminal n not Maya, she wouldn't have got this emotional. She would have behaved in a better manner n got her client out of jail.

Just like I said Maya is hypocrit when she doesn't see the darkness in her and blames others. I will say Saanjh also is unable to see her own shortcomings hence she's a hypocritical white character.

Bold- that's right! I don't think SaaJun will be the end game as Saanjh won't marry Arjun for nursing him or his baby when Maya dies or is jailed, and I guess that's what Shruthi di said when she says Saanjh is not Vandana.

I know Saanjh /Aneri has been subjected to heavy bashing by members in this forum/Twitter n unnecessary nitpicking of the character. Hence her fans/nutral members are unable to differentiate btw critical analysis of her character n unnecessary nitpicking.

Edited by aditi97 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
Things people say in anger cannot be always calculated, Shruti. The best people can say the most unspeakable stuff in anger. I've seen it happen. And this was an extremely bad situation; so such utterings should be overlooked
If Vandana thought of Arjun as sautela, then she wouldn't be craving his love and reeling under his non-acceptance all her life. She wouldn't have given a damn. Also, the only reason why she mistreated Maya was that she perceived her as the harbinger of misery for her son.

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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@aditi you forgot the last part of my SKR analysis, if you follow Narayan he will make you face the worst adharma, adharma you cannot even imagine, but if you trust him and fight it out in his direction you not only stand up for your rights, but also enable others to demand their right, the right way.

So who will face most adharma. Who will get hurt more. Facing adharma, facing hurt should not kill your soul. When will the lamp shine brighter, look brighter even when winds are blowing to extinguish it, it fights to stand alight to show the path. 😃


Yes I remember! 😊

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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: anshvi


I don't think I asked any question...anyways that is what I have been saying that she is mentally ill and needs treatment first and foremost and then once that happens after that only she can realize and introspect..till then she will keep commiting crimes and justifying them

ok then..might be wrongly quoted u...sorry..
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: aditi97


Yes I remember! 😊

Aditi is Shruti di refering saanj or Maya here..I ve read only 6th thread in skr forum..which thread refers to this..
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: sunithi

Aditi is Shruti di refering saanj or Maya here..I ve read only 6th thread in skr forum..which thread refers to this..


Saanjh I think. Because Maya is the one who has faced adharma and her soul has been killed. It's a very sad truth. But yes! A victim of past is now the victimizer.

Saanjh will burn giving light.

Saanjh has knowledge of good, but Maya has experience which Saanjh lacks. Hence Maya always wins. Now Saanjh will be experiencing a lot in the upcoming track, final blow will be Samay being Prem's killer. That's breach of trust which Maya has been facing till now. If Saanjh survives this n yet remains sane n good(which I guess she will) then she will give light to Maya. N most probably cure her. That's in accordance with the introductory scene of Beyhadh.

I could be wrong.

She had put this line in many posts, almost all threads. I used to love her way of writing. Alas in this forum she is forced to give up on her writing style as well ...
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Posted: 8 years ago
@ aditi that's what I am exactly telling dialogues and actions dont match. When actions dont match it can be subconscious which you are not aware of. Our thoughts make us do certain actions which may not be inline with our conscious goals. Do you realize it. Does Saanjh realize it. Maybe not as you rightly said. How her actions are getting perceived and what her actions are actually doing. But I feel she has the capacity to understand herself better and take actions. I feel when Samay betrays her, that will be the point of change for her. Because it is very hard to deal with broken trust. Many people go bad do crime at this point. But if you can survive that point holding onto something or if someone can give helping hand to you to hold on when trust breaks, then things can change. That's a very crucial point. Saanjh's trust has not been broken yet. This is her key difference with Maya who was unable to trust neither herself nor anyone thanks to Jhanvi who couldnt help her as a child. She needs a rude shock, a very rude shock.
Parallel I can say from Ek Hasina thi, the brutal deal Dr Dayal gives to Dev. Though when I first watched the episode I had enjoyed it for Sakshi, Dayal and Shaurya for all the scheming and planning, I had watched it later multiple times feeling for Dev. That's the point where CVs justified why Nithya trusted Dev blindly. Why he was Nithya's God because the only person you can trust blindly is God. What happened to Nithya in first instance was Dev's mail that he will not help her. Her trust was broken, from that downhill and manipulative girl who even plays with Dev. When Dev walks towards mandap that was his journey of restoring her soul back, restoring her trust back with actions that Dev had not betrayed Nithya intentionally. He becomes her God once again when Dayal tells what offer he gave to Dev and she wins the battle, because her trust was restored. Her blind faith was restored in action.

Something of that sort should happen for Saanjh. Because I feel after Arjun, atleast for brief period Maya had trusted Saanjh, which actually breaks when she hugs Arjun when Maya saves her, add to that Holi colors. It did play a major role in sending Maya to dark path once again. So she needs to restore that trust back.

And yes Saanjh feels remorse. Baby was there or not Saanjh feels remorse. That's the difference between not only her and Maya, but also Vandana and Saanjh. A kind of empathy. True empathy which maybe binded by ego


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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: samaira_samy




Foundation of this whole argument is wrong. Vandana didn't curse him for choosing the dangerous path. She tried to make him understand her point. And at the end even tried to accept Maya, but that was too late. Maya's mission issolate Arjun was accomplished by then.


Vandana cursed Arjun when he tagged Ayan as his sautela brother,when he was on a rant against his brother without hearing his side. Dejected and angry Vandana cursed her son to remain alone in this battle forever.

To be honest in a fit of rage we do things we regret later. And we are talking about a mother who has put her life on stake to help her sons.


Names and tags don't define us, our actions do.

In an ideal world, may be people don't have such minute faults. But, sadly world is not a set of a Sooraj Barjatya movie after all.

it's about a petrified mom whom always fought for her son happiness,who can predict the future of son from horoscope and seeing a person twice or thrice..
Arjun has been living with Maya for some years and telling she is bimar but as usual the petrified mom instinct claims she is evil not bimar since her son can't take correct decision...

If VM petrified mom who can curse a son,disowns her son then a person who has been called as pagal allowed to do whatever Maya is doing right..she is after all pagal,bimar..

Exactly it's not an ideal world,here VM the petrified mom can curse a son out of anger and a 9 year child who has been called as pagal or made to believe by her father and a mom who never helped her daughter at the most needed time is jux evil...how so???..

A boy who was jux 6 year ve been called as duffer or made to believe by shoving his decision r always wrong is jux correct???
Here the 2 child's r made to believe duffer and pagal by some people,it's jux the perception or the reality..for that v need to wait and watch..

Who named Arjun duffer??wanna know now??


I always said,No1 is Saint in this story even VM...I see every1 faultered like the way I see Maya..Maya is wrong as every 1...

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Posted: 8 years ago
Shruti di if I start introspecting VM,I can able to see what u been telling as her sob story.
Again she is not to able accept Maya becox saanj is suppose to be there not the other reasons..if Arjun happiness mattered to her,she would ve given a chance when Maya asked for it..she would ve given a chance when Arjun asked for it..she jux can't accept Arjun decision is correct,if she accepts her sob stories will be proven wrong..

I always wondered,y u always ask question about Arjun decision making capabilities..2day arguments made me realise,y his name is duffer..

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