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Y12345

@Y12345

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Posted: 8 years ago

#21

Originally posted by: Maya.Daayan123

By your logic, the people who Like Maya and all the stupidity she does are in support of her lying about rape, controlling people, hurting Vandy, etc...good job India. All of the awareness that you tried to raise during Delhi Rape 2012 has gone to waste

When did I say that?

Are you okay? because I never justified her actions, the issue here was about the Stigma around mental Illness. Please kindly read my post again instead of coming up with new stories and fake assumptions which are irrelevant here.

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HadhSeZyada

@HadhSeZyada

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Posted: 8 years ago

#22

Originally posted by: .annihilation.
Completely agreed, HadhSeJyada. The show's managed to put me off with its terrible writing. Having said that, I do think that the makers aren't such ignorant fools who'd pin depression as the reason for Maya's pysche. If my guess isn't incorrect, they're actually trying to debunk the depression related myths by first showcasing the stigma attached to it and then going ahead to reveal Maya's real mental condition. I may be hoping for too much from them but something about it all doesn't add up and thus, my guess.

I actually have given up all hope. They ain't gonna do anything.

As for Maya being ill, they're just gonna be very vague and try to bury it.

No proper revelations. No actual diagnosis.

Many of the characters too have done at least one thing which was very out of character for them. Don't know where it's all heading.

I still wish, that depression and other ailments are let out of this money making business of theirs, because they have been subjecting it to supreme absurdity.

Originally posted by: Y12345

When did I say that?
Are you okay? because I never justified her actions, the issue here was about the Stigma around mental Illness. Please kindly read my post again instead of coming up with new stories and fake assumptions which are irrelevant here.

comment removed due to personal remarks-Beyhadh DT

Edited by -RD- - 8 years ago

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HippoSucks

@HippoSucks

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Posted: 8 years ago

#23

There may be some negative stigma against mental illnesses, but it isn't the shows responsibility to try and correct that.

Originally posted by: Y12345

It MATTER .A show, even if it is fictional has some impact on the viewers. People might get the wrong idea when they watch this and then the taboo/stigma around mental illness will still prevail which is wrong. Nobody is immune from that and it's high time we start raising awareness on this issue instead of negative brainwashing? I'm sure you didnt realize but there are many types of people who watch this show of different age groups, how about kids and teens? Are they not getting the wrong idea about mental illness and other people who are not educated enough/who don't know anything about mental illness-psychology will never know what is mental illness and this stereotype will keep on going forever.

It is a fictional TV show. If you take what is said in it at face value and believe it, that is your problem. Most people aren't going to start associating depression with madness just because this show vaguely implied that.

You are taking this way too seriously. The serial also showed how Maya gamed the system and got an innocent convicted for attempting to rape her. Does that mean now the audience will start believing that the Indian judiciary system is corrupt? Will that encourage the audience to fake rape charges against innocent people? Of course not.

Edited by HippoSucks - 8 years ago

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HadhSeZyada

@HadhSeZyada

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Posted: 8 years ago

#24

While I agree it's not the maker's responsibility to correct the stigma, but at least they can not make things worse?

Many won't swallow the bullcrap that the show's fed them. Agreed. But what about the remaining? Don't forget that people like VM are a part of the society. Have you actually seen how someone who's had the courage to seek treatment is disregarded in this society? Displaying some kindness won't kill anyone. This one thing is so often overlooked by people, it's disheartening.

Where were you when people were nagging about the trapcase? There aren't many who'd speak up when it comes to mental illnesses. There was so much uproar when that trapcase happened. But nothing when this happened. Nothing.

Mental illnesses aren't a joke, and there's nothing wrong in expecting that they shouldn't be thrown around jlt.

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Asandhimitra

@LadyMacbeth

Achiever

+ 5

Posted: 8 years ago

#25

Originally posted by: HadhSeJyada
But the thing is, people seem to love their ignorance more.
and those who actually care, remain clueless, until it too late...

What everyone doesn't realise is that the stigma is an illness in itself.

The part in bold - wonderfully said ! 👏

Edited by VasusenaRadheya - 8 years ago

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Jared.Ashley

@Ashley.J

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Posted: 8 years ago

#26

Originally posted by: Y12345

It MATTER .A show, even if it is fictional has some impact on the viewers. People might get the wrong idea when they watch this and then the taboo/stigma around mental illness will still prevail which is wrong. Nobody is immune from that and it's high time we start raising awareness on this issue instead of negative brainwashing? I'm sure you didnt realize but there are many types of people who watch this show of different age groups, how about kids and teens? Are they not getting the wrong idea about mental illness and other people who are not educated enough/who don't know anything about mental illness-psychology will never know what is mental illness and this stereotype will keep on going forever.

Kids and teens should be controlled by their parents. There's a lot worse stuff on the TV and internet that can give them 'wrong ideas'.
Rest I guess people are mature enough to differentiate between reel and real. And don't underestimate uneducated people. They are street smart and are not easily manipulated by mere tv shows or movies. Had it not been the case, people would be out murdering each other after watching, say, Gangs of Wasseypur. Shows are made for people to enjoy, and those who can't handle thrillers like this should totally stop watching them.

Regarding the stigma attached to mental illness.. well, the makers are trying to show the story of 'A' mentally ill person, a psychopath to be precise. Doesn't mean that all people with mental disorders are dangerous. But people who show characteristics like Maya are undoubtedly dangerous. So, if someone is that stupid that he/she is taking life lessons from a TV show, the show is doing them a favour by bewaring them of psychopaths.

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Y12345

@Y12345

Rocker

Posted: 8 years ago

#27

@Hippo : That you never know. If people on this forum can associate it with madness, evil then why not.

I'm not being serious, just stating that somewhere down the line, media do have an influence on the public.That's all.

@Hadhsejyada explained it better.

Besides, about corruption in the judiciary system, that's a big question mark and food for thought question.

And since we deviated the topic from mental illness to rape, let me know that yes indian TV glorify rape culture and yes, a victim of rape is raped 3 times, one by the rapist, the second time by the society and third by the judicial system. So yeah #FoodForThought

@veronica : True, teens/kids should be 'controlled' by their parents but then again, sometimes if the parent does not know anything about mental illness and make it a taboo then what? Take Vandy for example. Of course, I never underestimated the intelligence of anyone. You made some good points but I'm sure you would agree that TV does have an impact. Agree for GOW, but makers tend to normalize certain things too and present it as enjoyable,normal ; negative brainwashing. These saas bahu soaps on TV do portray women as inferior & as the scarificing bahu, devi, obedient someone who does all the work, treats their hubby as god,etc and so many people enjoyed that. They think its normal the way they portray it, and these shows got popularity and in real life, some MIL do expect their bahu to be like that ( that's kind of true) . These show has been running for years, and got trapped in their subconscious mind 😆 meaning it promotes old/orthodox mentality in the society believe it or not. Again, I agree that one must know the difference between reel or real but there are passive viewers too, like kids.

So my blood boils when they portray mental illness in a wrong light.

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HadhSeZyada

@HadhSeZyada

Explorer

Posted: 8 years ago

#28

But Veronica, all that's been said about the presumed illness is that she suffers from depression, not psychopathy.

So according to you, the show's bewaring them about a depressed person. Nice.

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Just so you know, not all psychopaths are dangerous. Psychopaths can be dangerous, but they are more likely to be benign. And well, every individual, psychopathic or otherwise, has the capability to be dangerous. You might think you'd never be able to kill a person, but if it was an imperative or if you were given the right motive, then yes, you could and potentially would.

Same goes for a psychopath.

Now, a psychopath is not necessarily going to be any more homicidal than the next guy, but in a certain respect the danger level could be considered to be upped, in a way, because neurotypicals will tend to be inhibited by fear or guilt. (They couldn't "bear" to kill someone, right?) But psychopaths are not inhibited by such things. The emotional aspect of it will be diminished entirely, making it easier to commit the crime.

They're not going to care if they kill someone.

That does not mean that they would, but simply that it'd be easier and they wouldn't feel remorse for the act.

But that's just murder.

In general, that whole lack of guilt/remorse/fear, etc. is going to make it easier for them to do "bad" things, it's simply a matter of whether they elect to do them, or not.

It's a choice.

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The awareness regarding mental ailments is undeniably very less. A commoner may not be cognizant of the existence of the vast spectrum of these illnesses. Something which is already very imperceptible shouldn't be messed with. Hence the post.

I rest my case.

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shruthiravi

@shruthiravi

Stunner

+ 2

Posted: 8 years ago

#29

@Hadhsejayada I am not sure whether this is the right time to tell the makers what they are showing is not right. Because at this point it is shown how society especially people like Vandana treat a mental patient and how it affects them in getting no treatment or to be worse not even accepting they are ill.

We need to see how the makers show Maya once her illness is revealed, whether they are showing that part properly with message.

Because I have watched the show Ek Hasina Thi by the same PH. In the first part they showed how a rape victim is harassed by society, raped by judiciary and ends up in aslyum with no support while the criminal walks scott free enjoying his life. In the last episode the protoganist Durga while giving testimony in the court talks about how we treat the victim. It was a superb scene. Most importantly was the testimony of the victim Payal where she tells it has taken her courage of a life time to come and stand in front of judiciary and ask for justice a second time.

Basically the show, showed how a victim harassed by the society loses herself in falling for manipulation and changing the testimony in court and the same girl when given love and acceptance by the society, when told what happened to her was not her fault is able to stand up and face her rapist, extract the confession from him and slap him, thus bringing him down. They showed Payal herself extracting confession from Shaurya. That was the best scene of the show. The girl who screamed seeing Shaurya standing upto him.

So we really have to see where the story is headed is my take. Yes if it doesnt give the desired result, make fun of mental illness then it should be highlighted.

TV shows affects a lot. I personally know a girl whose MIL demanded her to be like bahu of TV shows. Recently in Kerala a prominent Malayalam actor Prithviraj Sukumaran told publicly that going forward he will not justify violence against women in action or words in any of his movies, or rather as a protagonist he wont demean a woman after the molestation happened on his friend Bhavana a cine artist herself.

So we cannot dismiss things as it is a fictional show as these things affect the masses and in a way does influence the way society behaves.

Many TV shows, show rapists marrying the woman they raped as it is said to be honorable. Gundas forcefully marrying girls and then they falling in love with them. bahu means tolerating any rubbish thrown by MIL , husband and his family etc etc.

So yes it has to be highlighted. I will only tell wait another month or so to see where they take the story.

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HadhSeZyada

@HadhSeZyada

Explorer

Posted: 8 years ago

#30

Shruti, not that I have a problem with it, but you'd find many who'd sympathize with the Rape victims. Not many will do the same for mental illnesses.

It's really my opinion, but mental illnesses are subjected to way more social stigma than a sexual assault. Because slowly that issue has garnered more awareness. But I'm afraid I can't say the same about mental illnesses.

Besides, this post wasn't intended to make people compare about rapes and illnesses.

While Ek Hasina Thi was a brilliant show, a league of it's own, it can't be compared to Beyhadh. Because the presentation, again my opinion, of EHT was better than beyhadh's.

While you're right, we must wait, but that's not my point. My point is, that they shouldn't mess around with it so easily. People's actions always contravene with what they say. Mental illnesses are very perceptibly disregarded.

They should be tactful while handling such a delicate issue.

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