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HadhSeZyada

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Posted: 8 years ago

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Originally posted by: poppinss

Just curious... are you a voratious reader or are you into this field?

Don't practice it, but in the field

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FreeTheNipple

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Posted: 8 years ago

#12

Originally posted by: HadhSeJyada

Here,

Psychosis, more often called "delusion" disorder belongs to a class of disorders which also contain schizophrenia.

I think you misunderstood what I was saying. The use is correct and consistent except in the last sentence where instead of i.e I meant e.g to give an example. (I have corrected it now)

By the way what you are quoting as incorrect are exact phrases from the book and as far as I have read it, they are consistent with the definitions. The paragraphs are taken from different sections of the book, may be that is why you are relating them together.

I know Psychopathy is different from psychosis. Psychopathy is not classified as illness for legal purposes according to the book, is what I meant.

In the Neo Nazi example, author meant even if the person suffers from psychosis, his killing of Jew is inexcusable and insanity defence does not apply.

Edited by dexter3108 - 8 years ago

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poppinss

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Posted: 8 years ago

#13

Originally posted by: HadhSeJyada

Don't practice it, but in the field

Ah... studying? So what's your take on GGs Amy vs Maya? The more I read the more similar both lol to me... manupulation, they choosing their own punishment. I am yet to read about Amys real thoughts as in the present but they seem to be similar in a lot of ways. Maya possibly is indianized with a bit of goodness to her to keep the Indian audience happy.

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HadhSeZyada

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Posted: 8 years ago

#14

Originally posted by: dexter3108

I think you misunderstood what I was saying. The use is correct and consistent except in the last sentence where instead of i.e I meant e.g to give an example. (I have corrected it now)

By the way what you are quoting as incorrect are exact phrases from the book and as far as I have read it, they are consistent with the definitions. They paragraphs taken from different sections of the book, may be that is why you are relating them together.

It could be the case.

I just failed to understand how psychopathy and psychosis are interrelated in here.

Maybe you just took excerpts from different chapters which made it look inconsistent.

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HadhSeZyada

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Posted: 8 years ago

#15

Originally posted by: poppinss

Ah... studying? So what's your take on GGs Amy vs Maya? The more I read the more similar both lol to me... manupulation, they choosing their own punishment. I am yet to read about Amys real thoughts as in the present but they seem to be similar in a lot of ways. Maya possibly is indianized with a bit of goodness to her to keep the Indian audience happy.

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/beyhadh/4839571/maya-vs-amy-dunne

I've talked about it here...

Disclaimer:

I do not justify whatever the f**k they've done.

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FreeTheNipple

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Posted: 8 years ago

#16

Originally posted by: HadhSeJyada

It could be the case.
I just failed to understand how psychopathy and psychosis are interrelated in here.
Maybe you just took excerpts from different chapters which made it look inconsistent.

Yeah I took from different chapters, so it might be confusing. The point here was that psychopathy is not considered as mental illness for legal purposes because of social and political reasons. Therefore in the legal framework, a psychopath cannot use insanity defence.

I don't know what psychiatrists believe about psychopathy but the book says that the viewpoints differ between legal and medical community because the medical community always searches for the cause of the behaviour which is troublesome for jury as they seem to operate on the basis that people are rational and hence are responsible for their actions. Anyways the last paragraph makes it clear, that it is just choice that has been made to disregard psychopathy from the framework of illness.

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FreeTheNipple

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Posted: 8 years ago

#17

Originally posted by: Nithunavi
Such a detailed and beautiful analysis.
This was really needed & useful.
From yday words of maya to Vandy if u see.. u can understand her state like she says... "I don't want to become bad but when someone tries to come in btwn Me & arjun na... idk what happens to me I lose my control and don't know what happens to me & what to do..." something on those lines...
And even her dialogues with jhanvi that "I don't want to become bad but circumstances make me do it" something like that even said by arjun for maya...

I agree the person who undergo moral change due to mental illness &is considered not guilty because they aren't cruel people or bad but they don't have control over themselves.
They wantedly dont do it but become something else mentally ruthless due to their illness. Otherwise they are good people.

They don't understand how to handle themselves at that moments and also they end up their distress without knowing what to do.
And generally they are deserved to be excused and by law as well they are excused.
Instead of punishment it's empathy,support and care is needed for them and shown a right direction & guidance should be given in medical way too.

True, Maya's dialogues do seem to point in that direction. Maya is not a psychopath for sure but her mental illness has also not been diagnosed till now.

Anyways, I think any amount of insanity defence, assuming if you could apply it exonerate Maya , is not sufficient to explain Maya's framing of Ayaan.

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Manali

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Posted: 8 years ago

#18

Awesome post...it can be possible in Maya's case and may be cvs are planning the same to show at the end.

Thanx to increase knowledge.

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kavita

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Posted: 8 years ago

#19

Much needed post. Maya told Jhanvi that she wants to change for the better and had tried but people don't give her an opportunity. It clearly means that she needs help and unconditional love. Even Arjun said the same to Vandana who admitted that Maya needs help but has not put any efforts herself and dissuades Arjun.

I had surfed about psychopathy earlier. It is not illness but it is a faulty wiring of the human brain. Maya was naive and innocent till the age of 9. Even JW said that Maya is not negative, killer or a psychopath.

This post is well explained. The more I look into these posts, the more it convinces me that Maya is mentally ill.

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Khushi_love

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Posted: 8 years ago

#20

Originally posted by: HadhSeJyada

Psychosis is delusional disorder and psychopathy is a personality disorder. Both are mental illnesses. Being a psychopath doesn't necessarily mean the person is evil. Not all psychopaths are killers.
Don't just throwaway terms you have no idea about. It misleads the others too, creating hysteria.

It is obvious that I m talking in terms of Maya being evil n a psychopath...

Jen has gone on record saying she's playing a psychopath n is now turning black from shades of grey...n she's been doing evil acts..

You can get as hysterical as you wish by reading posts on IF 😆...don't worry about the others...most members here DONT get hysterical over discussions about a character of a fictional show...😆

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