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Posted: 8 years ago

#21

Originally posted by: Fernandes43
Very well observed & also presented very objectively!
You have a lot of patience, really!

Now, I am intrigued by the second point of your post!
That is where Samay gave an opinion on what he saw!
I am just reproducing it from your write-up!
2. On the allegation of Ayaan doing "zabardasti" with Mayaji, Samay's exact words were:
"Ayaan zabardasti nahin kar raha tha."
So eye witness's personal opinion was not an attempt to rape!
But the prosecution manged to convince court to make a conclusion on that!
That is why it appears to me still if Justice was rushed here!

I saw that you posted another reply. Thank you. I'll go through (haven't read that one) and reply to both posts in the next hour (I am replying chronologically).

I apologize for not replying sooner.

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Posted: 8 years ago

#22

Originally posted by: ashpat3

You don't have to apologize for that's it's perfectly fine. And I am a girl just want to clear it 😆 . Your post much more in depth than mine because I wrote in rush. I will reply for post soon when I get time .

Because of IPL, I had not gone through all the threads on this forum. I posted my original title and then saw yours in the 'Related Topics' section and felt I was kinda wrong (albeit unintentionally) as I realized that you had used the title first.

We should actually both blame Piyush😉 for making that line 'Samay sirf sach dekhta hain' so famous (by uttering it in the soap as well as using it in his Instagram post).

Eagerly waiting to hear your take on my post (if you have the time, as it's a long post to read).

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Posted: 8 years ago

#23

Originally posted by: Fernandes43
Very well observed & also presented very objectively!
You have a lot of patience, really!

Now, I am intrigued by the second point of your post!
That is where Samay gave an opinion on what he saw!
I am just reproducing it from your write-up!
2. On the allegation of Ayaan doing "zabardasti" with Mayaji, Samay's exact words were:
"Ayaan zabardasti nahin kar raha tha."
So eye witness's personal opinion was not an attempt to rape!
But the prosecution manged to convince court to make a conclusion on that!
That is why it appears to me still if Justice was rushed here!

Thank you so much for your appreciation of the original post.

@Yellow: Thanks. That's a very nice compliment to get.

@Green: Good analysis. I think that the question of whether Ayaan was doing 'zabardasti' is both a question of fact as well as a question of law (I know I am getting technical here, but, please bear with me a few more moments).

Why a question of fact?

'Zabardasti' is a physical act. What I meant was that Samay saw Maya and Ayaan on the floor and believed that Ayaan was not doing 'zabardasti'. Yes, one can call it his opinion, but, it's primarily what he saw (that what Ayaan was doing was not 'zabardasti'). He further explains the scenario as he had seen, stating: "Woh, Mayaji zameen par thi. Chilla rahi thi. Aur Ayaan unke upar tha."

Why a question of law?

Did what Ayaan do amount to 'zabardasti' in the eyes of a 'reasonable man' (applying the Test of Reasonable Man herein)?

In my view, Samay answered the question of fact and left the question of law for the court to deal with. This is just how I perceive the whole thing. I may be wrong. I am grateful to you for posing that question as it is quite analytical and requires a lot of deliberation.

@Blue:I agree that justice was rushed here (think of the minimum time Indian courts take to decide any criminal matter😉).

I hope this elaboration kind of explains what I think. If you have further questions, please do ask. Your posts generally make me reflect a lot.

Edited by determination - 8 years ago

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Posted: 8 years ago

#24

Originally posted by: determination

Thank you so much for your appreciation of the original post.

@Yellow: Thanks. That's a very nice compliment to get.

@Green: Good analysis. I think that the question of whether Ayaan was doing 'zabardasti' is both a question of fact as well as a question of law (I know I am getting technical here, but, please bear with me a few more moments).

Why a question of fact?

'Zabardasti' is a physical act. What I meant was that Samay saw Maya and Ayaan on the floor and believed that Ayaan was not doing 'zabardasti'. Yes, one can call it his opinion, but, it's primarily what he saw (that what Ayaan was doing was not 'zabardasti'). He further explains the scenario as he had seen, stating: "Woh, Mayaji zameen par thi. Chilla rahi thi. Aur Ayaan unke upar tha."

Why a question of law?

Did what Ayaan do amount to 'zabardasti' in the eyes of a 'reasonable man' (applying the Test of Reasonable Man herein)?

In my view, Samay answered the question of fact and left the question of law for the court to deal with. This is just how I perceive the whole thing. I may be wrong. I am grateful to you for posing that question as it is quite analytical and requires a lot of deliberation.

@Blue:I agree that justice was rushed here (think of the minimum time Indian courts take to decide any criminal matter😉).

I hope this elaboration kind of explains what I think. If you have further questions, please do ask. Your posts generally make me reflect a lot.

I have already asked my second question! The failure of defense lawyer to cross-exam Samay! please see my prev. post also before your reply!

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Posted: 8 years ago

#25

Originally posted by: SaurabhKiRadha
I really liked content of your post. Samay presented him as ideal witness to remain in gud books of both the party.
I don't know if he is crazy in love with maya or he has come here 4 revenge , but mystery around his ckt makes him interesting.

I just don't want him to be a dumb dewana ckt irrespective wether he is white /black/grey. He should not be the one who easily gets used by maya than dumped off. He should be able to make collateral Damage of equal volume.

Thank you for your appreciation.

@Red: This is a point that I also considered and hence, used the term irrespective "of his motive". By making my original post, I was only talking about the fact that he was a "model witness" (that any court would like to have). Ideally speaking, Saanjh should have raised a lot of objections (to the Counsel for the Prosecution's statements as he was the one drawing conclusions) as well as cross examined Samay as Samay's statements could have been interpreted either ways (by which, I mean that they were left for a reasonable man to make his/her own interpretations).

@Blue: I completely agree.

@Green: I hope so too.

@Yellow: SUPER LIKE from my side. Good use of words.

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Posted: 8 years ago

#26

Originally posted by: Fernandes43
I have already asked my second question! The failure of defense lawyer to cross-exam Samay! please see my prev. post also before your reply!

Still going through and replying to posts chronologically. I like the questions you raise (as I mentioned in my last post) and will definitely try to reply adequately to your other question. I'm sorry for being a bit late in answering.

Edited by determination - 8 years ago

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Posted: 8 years ago

#27

OMG, such a long post Priya

and very well written.

Have have gone to write all minute details

BTW are you a lawyer by profession?

Coming back to the post- I felt samay, while making friendship with sanjh, knew her to be maya's husband's friend

and thus makes him a suspicious character to me

how does the lawyer know that it was sanjh who had suggested him to be away from the case?

if you feel that samay can come to aayan's rescue, it is good, but I have complete doubt on him

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Posted: 8 years ago

#28

Originally posted by: PlainJane
Brilliant post!😊

I agree with you on all points. I am not an objective viewer of the show. In my opinion, no character in the show is white. So, I tend to side with characters which intrigue me. I have always felt that the CVs put more effort into Maya's character. She is the most interesting and well-developed character on the show. All the other characters are so one-dimensional and hypocritical. Not to mention the OTT acting. So, it's great to see another well-developed character. Samay is so fascinating. Perhaps, even more so than Maya. Like you said, we can't condone him using Saanj to get closer to Maya. But, my fascination towards him outweighs my conscience. Besides, its all fictional. I just enjoy him as a character. He has some amazing dialogues and the way he regards Maya is so creepy yet tender. I hope they don't butcher his character. In my opinion, Samay and Maya make an interesting couple. Two very complicated personalities. I think they are a match. Also, both Jennifer and Piyush are great actors. Their acting: Na kamm, na jyaada.

As for Samay as Sach, he was indeed a good eye-witness. I am happy they are giving him good lines. What makes it so perfect is that Piyush is owning the character and playing it to a T. Truthfully, it is only after his entry on the show that I started watching Beyhadh religiously.

Thank you so much.

@Blue: Truthfully speaking, I am not always objective while watching Hindi soaps (especially if I like an actor who plays a certain important character in the show). I can, in no way, claim to be a neutral viewer when it comes to Samay's role (I am too invested in any character played by Piyush to be perfectly unbiased). So that's my guilty secret.

I just tried to analyze whether Samay was an ideal witness (limiting myself to that court room scene) in my original post on this thread. Also, I can be somewhat objective when it comes to the whole Maya-Saanjh debate [as I personally like both the lead female actors equally. (Maybe, I am in the minority here)].

@Red: I personally think so too.

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Posted: 8 years ago

#29

Originally posted by: moonlightmoon
One more char with sach.. Now we have two char with "Sach" Maya and Samay. still Cv didn't showa maya's such...now this Smay his char also introduced with title such.. both Maya and Smay are confusing char..

What he said in court what he saw.. but when Lawyer said.. Sanjh told him to left the city as we know Sanjh didn't said him for leaving city she just stopped him to coming for court.. he should have to speak there that sanjh didn't said like that...

May be he just come to show the truth but how?

Well his char is amazing and I like his dialogue very much when he was doing conversation with sanjh he said " Maya ksi haad ki mhutaj nhain he.. her haad osey salam krti he..." It's confusing but very interesting dialogue and the way he delivered the dialogue outstanding!

Let see how cv will show his char..

BTW, Nice post!

@Blue: Good point. I am still waiting for some clarification on that. (Hoping that Saanjh would question Samay on the same in Monday/Tuesday's episode. If she doesn't, then I'll have to assume that Saanjh perhaps asked him to leave town, a scene chopped/not shown by the CVs. Because, why else would she not ask him about the same?)

@Green: Frankly speaking, this is something that I am hoping. I wish that LIGHT and TRUTH prevails in the end, because of him.

@Brown: Thank you so much.

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Posted: 8 years ago

#30

Originally posted by: Fernandes43
When the key eye witness gave evidence in the box & said "Ayaan zabardasti nahin kar raha tha." Why Defense did not ask him to elaborate his thought is puzzling!
That would have given fair idea how long he was present in the spot to make this kind of opinion about 'alleged 'rape attempt!
The Court could not have ignored 'his opinion' if Defense used the eye witness's evidence properly to their advantage!

I absolutely agree with you on the point of Defense. Ayaan was not defended properly (from beginning to end) in my opinion.

I mentioned in my reply to SaurabhKiRadha's post that the Counsel for the Defense should have raised a lot of objections (to speculations made by the Prosecution) as well as cross examined Samay.

It seemed like she waived her Right to Cross Examine. Why? I don't know. But, I hope that the CVs have some cards up their sleeves (to be shown in Appellate Court or something). Not sure.

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