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Posted: 8 years ago
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Speculation

Domestic violence. Rape. Gender equality

Everything already is used, for the sake of obtaining the desired result
Opinions can be different, this has never been abolished, but the overt cynical speculation of such concepts goes far beyond the framework of a normal society

Does anyone really know what rape is?
Rape is coercion by force, by threat to intimacy
Now about the difference between a man and a woman. For those who particularly zealously like the issue of gender equality
In rape, a woman and a man will never be equal. So nature ordered or God, as you wish
You can't just force a man to have sexual intercourse, for this, in any case, his participation is necessary. It is a fact. So, sorry, the act itself is arranged
In the case of a woman - this isn't so. A woman can be against, fight, resist, but can't protect herself in this case, she doesn't have a natural defense mechanism in this case
In the case of a woman, it is an intrusion IN her body, in the literal sense of the word, without her consent
Do I need to explain that when you have sexual intercourse with a man in a natural way, sorry, will there be no intrusion IN the body?
On the side of men there is always an advantage - it is physical strength, it is what uses when someone wants to commit rape
Do I need to explain that even with a similar body composition, the man have more strength?

Domestic Violence
Violence can take many forms, including moral and psychological. The most common type of domestic violence is physical violence. Physical violence is causing harm to the body of a person. It doesn't to offer him a massage
And grab her hair, twist arm, smash nose accidentally, push into the wall, into the column when he want - he use advantage of his physical strength
With this, domestic violence begins! And not so far from here are broken bones, and bruises all over the body!
Moral and psychological torture - sorry, but not to allow a man to drink more than two glasses of alcohol is not torture, from the lack of preferred food still no one died. It's not pleasant, not comfortable, but no more!
Arjun freely goes to work, he freely stuns surprises in the ring with beating himself, he freely leaves after this incident and gets drunk with more than two glasses of alcohol unknown where, he calmly leaves for work, but instead goes to a meeting with Ayan - this is not a restriction freedom of person! He moves, he works, goes to the gym, he communicates with people, he meets people - this is not a limitation of freedom!
Constantly insulting a person, humiliating him, bringing a person to suicide, driving a person mad intentionally, knowing that person is unstable is moral and psychological violence
Arjun has the simplest way out of this situation - to let Maya die, the good he brings her to suicide with an inveterate frequency

Nobody justifies Maya's actions - in the case the ambulance, she went overboard. With cameras too
In this case, at minimum, mutual domestic violence, on the one hand bordering with completely physical
I feel sorry for them both in this case - they are walking around in a circle in hell, unable to get out of there, and Arjun isn't really trying to do it. She has a salvation in illusion, and he in pours of his anger at her, neither one nor the other doesn't help both

Gender equality is a separate great topic, on which it is already possible to write a thesis
Gender equality is not to speculate with facts and such acute and complex, sensitive and delicate questions as rape and domestic violence
Only people in modern society could evert inside-out the idea of gender equality, which asked for equal rights and freedoms (yes, the same freedom for a woman to study, participate in elections, have the right to choose her husband, have the right to normal work, and an equal salary with a man with equal work) in the possibility of speculating by such concepts as rape and domestic violence

It is impossible to imagine if there was a man in Maya's place - this is speculation!
Suppose there were Saanj, Vandana, Simmi, Suman in Maya's place - would you be interested in what trying to find Ayan, what were his hidden true intentions, or will it be just an attack on a girl at minimum with a sexual subtext, as maximum attempt to rape girl?
Ayan and Arjun fought in the pool, Ayan tore Arjun's shirt, it seems no one had any problems with it
Imagine instead Arjun's place Saanj or Simmi - if Ayan had torn Saanj's blouse, it would not have been still same case, would it?

And these people are surprised then why so many victims of sexual violence are silent - therefore. She is to blame. This is indeed the only crime in which a victim is accused, not a criminal. She was dressed not as she must, she was walking late alone, she was walking the wrong road and another millions of reasons why she was to blame, that some vile person took advantage of his superior physical strength and raped her
Yes, these victims are frightened that they will be poked with a finger, they are disgusted even to think about what happened to them, not to mention telling about it, but it is necessary to tell in public, to answer in detail the questions "Where is he touched you? And what happened then? He hit you? And where? How? When did he take off your shirt? And how did he invade IN your body? How long did it last? "

And do not say that the words "You will can't look at yourself, I will do something worse than death with you" is something incredibly different, and not a menace of a completely certain action. There aren't many options to implement this. There are actually a two of it. Rape or option number two to pour acid - mutilate physically and morally.

What is most magnificent in this picture of the universal bacchanalia is that women do it. No wonder, they say that a woman for a woman is the worst enemy. This is the truth, in the literal sense of the word

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Posted: 8 years ago
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If a girl puts a gun onto a guy asking him to get into s**ual relation or she will kill him, and the guy compiles despite his unwillingness, then do you think that is not r**e? That is very much a rape, if a man is drugged and is not in his complete senses is asked to make relation with a girl, and in that condition he mechanically complies to the orders, isn't that r**e? That is very much rape, hence thinking that a woman can not r**e a man just shows your lack of knowledge on the subject.
Secondly not all s**ual abuse need to be a r**e, inappropriate touching of others undressing thenm to touch hidden parts without will might not be r**e but are very much a**ual abuse

Now coming to the line that not letting to booze or not allowing you to eat your favourite food is not domestic violence, but always ensuring that the person does exactly what you want and completely ignoring his wishes and forcing your wishes into him/her does come under domestic violence, being dominating in a relation is not domestic violence but being the only one in the relation is very much a domestic violence
Edited by FlauntPessimism - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I think you didn't quite understand what specifically was emphasized in that example, once again - intrusion in the body and its absence
I didn't say that men can't be rape. For it happens, but this is a completely different process, which by the way is also sensitive and serious. And such concepts, too, should not be scattered
Maya was trying to seduce Arjuna, yes. Under the influence of a tranquilizer, Maya didn't molest Arjun, she slept on his chest. It's all
A torn dress and a threatened assault - this is not an attempt to rape, and sleeping on husband's chest is molest?
Approaching the question of touching - he can stop it if he wants. He has physical strength for this, he has enough to grab her hair and twist her arms, push her

Once again, Arjun does what he wants when he wants it. Maya is not a decree for him, and not a stop signal. When he wants he drinks. When he wants he lies. When he wants he leaves the house at night. Where is the restriction of freedom? Who imposes these desires on him?
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Installing CCTVs in every corner of the house, pretending to not understand his true psychological needs, shackling him by threatening to commit suicide--- sorry to break your bubble, all of these come under the purview of 'mental torture' and 'emotional abuse'.
Maya, who has been a victim of abuse in the past, is an abuser herself right now with respect to her hapless husband. Nobody and nothing can deny this fact.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

and the guy compiles despite his unwillingness

And if it doesn't happened, what will happened?

@krystal_watz, screaming day after day "I hate you, die," leading to suicide, and then to save from suicide is also a moral psychological torture
And if we talk about desires and misunderstanding, then it is present on both sides
That's why I said that in this case this is mutual domestic violence
They both torture each other
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Laska

I think you didn't quite understand what specifically was emphasized in that example, once again - intrusion in the body and its absence
I didn't say that men can't be rape. For it happens, but this is a completely different process, which by the way is also sensitive and serious. And such concepts, too, should not be scattered
Maya was trying to seduce Arjuna, yes. Under the influence of a tranquilizer, Maya didn't molest Arjun, she slept on his chest. It's all
A torn dress and a threatened assault - this is not an attempt to rape, and sleeping on husband's chest is molest?
Approaching the question of touching - he can stop it if he wants. He has physical strength for this, he has enough to grab her hair and twist her arms, push her

Once again, Arjun does what he wants when he wants it. Maya is not a decree for him, and not a stop signal. When he wants he drinks. When he wants he lies. When he wants he leaves the house at night. Where is the restriction of freedom? Who imposes these desires on him?



Please check your statement, you said that females can not r*pe. You didn't say that Maya didn't r*pe Arjun. That was very insensitive and I replied to that. Yes Maya has not r**ed Arjun, no denying onto that fact, I have never said that she is, but saying that he can stop her, is wrong, that day he didn't want to open his shirt, but Maya came with a pair of scissors and unwillingly he had open the shirt, yes Maya didn't do anything after that excluding massaging, but that very much comes under s*exual abuse, not r**e

Arjun now is doing what he wants because he has become a rebel, a rebel to a level that people have started thinking him a wife abuser, but that doesn't mean that Maya isn't imposing her desires onto him, she did this in the very first day at her house, where she asked him to eat, wear and use the vehicle of her choice
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Laska

And if it doesn't happened, what will happened?

@krystal_watz, screaming day after day "I hate you, die," leading to suicide, and then to save from suicide is also a moral psychological torture
And if we talk about desires and misunderstanding, then it is present on both sides
That's why I said that in this case this is mutual domestic violence
They both torture each other


Bold: That scream is the cry of a victim who is bound by iron chains.


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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Laska


And if it doesn't happened, what will happened?

@krystal_watz, screaming day after day "I hate you, die," leading to suicide, and then to save from suicide is also a moral psychological torture
And if we talk about desires and misunderstanding, then it is present on both sides
That's why I said that in this case this is mutual domestic violence
They both torture each other



If the guy doesn't comply then the girl will kill him, kill herself, do something very harmful for the guy

To save from suicide isn't any torture, where are you coming from? Stopping someone from committing a crime is a torture? And how did Arjun lead Maya to suicide? Saying that let me free is forcing to suicide?
Edited by FlauntPessimism - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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@Laska both rape and domestic violence can happen to a man and woman. As far as I can see Maya has not raped Arjun. She massaged him, she kept her head on his chest. But domestic violence yes Maya has done domestic violence to Arjun. There is no escaping that. Because domestic violence it is said that emotional violence is greater than physical violence and in many cases women are made to believe they are worthless. You cannot see scars of emotional domestic violence even in ladies that much. But it is the conditioning that a man has a right to slap his wife ingrained in many women.
What Maya did to Arjun is emotional violence. Yes he might have contributed to the beyhadhness of this violence.But still he is a victim of emotional violence. Only thing is that the entire blame of what happened to him is not on Maya, he is also equally responsible for the mess.

But that doesnt justify what Ayan has done. He has physically assaulted her, emotionally intimidated her and yes as far as I could see it was an attempt of rape as I felt lust in his eyes, and even before he entered the way he told to Saanjh and Vandana I will teach Maya a lesson a smirk was there, which is not just rescuing his brother.

So Maya will have to pay for what she has done, even if now there is a truth in her accusation.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@Laska both rape and domestic violence can happen to a man and woman. As far as I can see Maya has not raped Arjun. She massaged him, she kept her head on his chest. But domestic violence yes Maya has done domestic violence to Arjun. There is no escaping that. Because domestic violence it is said that emotional violence is greater than physical violence and in many cases women are made to believe they are worthless. You cannot see scars of emotional domestic violence even in ladies that much. But it is the conditioning that a man has a right to slap his wife ingrained in many women.

What Maya did to Arjun is emotional violence. Yes he might have contributed to the beyhadhness of this violence.But still he is a victim of emotional violence. Only thing is that the entire blame of what happened to him is not on Maya, he is also equally responsible for the mess.

But that doesnt justify what Ayan has done. He has physically assaulted her, emotionally intimidated her and yes as far as I could see it was an attempt of rape as I felt lust in his eyes, and even before he entered the way he told to Saanjh and Vandana I will teach Maya a lesson a smirk was there, which is not just rescuing his brother.

So Maya will have to pay for what she has done, even if now there is a truth in her accusation.


Shruti, please do post on my thread about Ayan's expressions while issuing threats to Maya. I've opened that thread to dissect Ayan's expressions and body language. It'd be great if you could share some analytical thought on the topic.

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