Maya's Man - Arjun and Samay - Page 3

Originally posted by: MistyDawn

You are right.. we still don't know if Arjun did try to help her get any psychiatric help all this while.. but so far he seems to have opened up quite a lot about all his miseries but didn't mention of any such attempt from his side.. not even when he talked about her suicide attempt to Ayaan.. the way he presents his case, he doesn't even seem to consider that Maya may have some serious mental issues..

@bold red- that is something I will not agree with.. there are several categories of mental disorders so one can not generalize.. in many cases patients are not aware.. that is why they say family support for such people is so important.

Originally posted by: Nithunavi

@iheart

Red - what is self realisation do u even know ?

Self realisation is not possible most of the times in a person who is extremely disturbed in his mind.

A person who's normal mentally is only capable of self realisation.

And that's why mostly the mentally Disturbed people will be given a person's support for showing them right path.

You are trying to say whatever u feel like just to say maya is wrong but choose your words wisely .

Originally posted by: _IHeartFriendz_

That's true

He should have taken her to a good psychiatrist very next day when she tried to harm herself. It's easier to do hands up when your spouse is mentally disturb, but hard to be with him/her forever.

But, what if he tried everything in all these years, but nothing worked. I would recommend not to leave your partner becoz of illness, that's real test of your loyalty, but Maya is something else, she's extream. When she's mad, she doesn't know one good limit and probably kill anyone, and when she's not mad, she starts living in her delusional land where there's nothing wrong with her marriage.

What if Arjun suggested to take help, but Maya refused. You can't drag someone to psychiatrist clinic. As I have said before in case of mental disorder self realisation is must.

Originally posted by: sweetshruti

So today's episode finally showed Arjun confessing the truth of his and Maya's relationship to Ayaan. And what was that truth??? Well nothing that we don't already know. So apparently his issue with Maya is exactly what he has been harping about all this while. Nothing more to it.😕 . He is just frustrated and suffocated by her controlling behavior and the fact that he does not have the freedom to do ANYTHING. Ok fair enough, any sane person would feel that way if they were controlled to this extent by someone. Maya is completely wrong in doing what she is doing.

BUT what I don't understand is WHY has Arjun not even tried to UNDERSTAND why Maya is the way she is and WHY has he not tried to get her help?? I am not talking about understanding her NOW or trying to help her NOW, because obviously 3 years is a long time to be in such an unhealthy relationship and right now he is DONE with her and doesn't really care about helping her anymore. What I am talking about is maybe 6 months into their marriage, or 1 year into their marriage, whenever he started seeing signs of this unnatural control, when she first installed the CCTvs around the house, when she first harmed herself, when she tried to commit suicide the first time...Did he stop, take a step back and try to understand what was wrong with her? Why she was THIS insecure about losing him?? Obviously trying to kill yourself at a drop of a hat is not normal behavior, so did he consider consulting a psychiatrist to understand her condition?? Did he try to reason with her, make her feel more secure, understand why she din't trust him, do something to instill that trust?? Did he try to get her any sort of medical help at all??

Maya needed someone in her life who could stand up to her and tell her that she was wrong, who could control her and force her to get help for her issues, who could give her the security she craved. Jhanvi could never be that person because she was too scared of Maya and too guilty to stand up to her. Arjun should and could have been that person for Maya. He is strong willed enough to stand up to her if needed, has enough emotional control over her to make her do what he wants to if he really wanted to, I mean she would gladly jump from a cliff if he lovingly asked her to so what would stop him from using that control he has on her to make her go see a doctor or stop installing CCtvs etc?. Arjun was the only one in the position to actually do something for her but the question is DID HE?? Did he ever do any of this before giving up and deciding to end the relationship???? 😕

If he did try all this and failed then I can empathize with with him. But if he did not, if he simply got frustrated and decided to walk out then I don't think I can really empathize with him anymore. Today, the way he spoke about getting fed up and telling Maya that he wanted to leave was as if he was talking about handing over his resignation to his boss. Like the way he said that he told Maya that he was not going to be able to handle all this and wanted to leave...makes him sound like such a selfish, careless and irresponsible husband. I am not sure I can feel sorry for him, if he has not even made an attempt to save his marriage and the woman he claims to have loved.

Also, how easy was it for everyone to forgive each other in spite of so much happening between them??? Some half hearted sorry's, some dancing was all that was needed for everything to be forgiven and forgotten?? 😕 No one felt the need to sit and TALK and discuss what actually happened in these 3 years and where everyone went wrong?? 😳

Arjun's sorrys sounded like he was doing everyone a favour by apologizing. He seemed to be more concerned about Ayaan selling his jeep than listening to how Ayaan had to struggle for money in Arjun's absence. He was more interested in eating Aloo Paratha than catching up with his mother on what had happened in these 3 years.

Arjun claimed that he stuck with Maya all this while because he was scared she would harm herself and/or the people close to him. So what changed now?? Is he no longer scared for her or his family?? Or was that reason humbug, and the actual reason he was not leaving her was that his EGO was too big to accept his mistake and take that first step towards reconciling with everyone?? And now that Dusky was back to act as the mediator and save him the trouble of showing some maturity, he decides to go ahead and reunite with his family. 😕

Honestly whatever sympathy I had for Arjun after seeing his condition a few episodes ago has gone down the drain in the last 2 episodes. I hope the CVs plan to show that he did at least try to help Maya and at least tried to be a sensitive, understanding husband. If not, I don't think I can route for him at all.

Another interesting point is that once again we are told that alcohol makes a person speak the truth (atleast in beyhadhland) and then Arjun spills out all his secrets to Ayan to prove that point. So then are we to assume that everything Arjun has told till now when he was drunk is also the truth?? If that is the case then it means Arjun did marry Maya for money and considered her as his shortcut to success. Also, Arjun always loved Saanjh even when he was married to Maya. He said both these things while he was drunk.

If both these things are true then can we really call Arjun the victim here???

Honestly, I don't know what to make of Samay yet. He seems to be obsessed with Maya but then that leaves so many unanswered questions, if he so obsessed with her then where was he for 8 years?? Why has he not tried to contact her before?? Why did he chose to pose as Saanjh's boyfriend to get to Maya? He could have just landed up in maya's office like he did the other day and nothing would have changed. Not like being Saanjh's bf gets him exclusive access to Maya. Also, it looks like he cheated Maya (professionally? personally?) 8 years ago. Why would he do that if he was in love with her then? Also, Maya does not seem to be buying his obsessed lover act..why is that?? She must have her reasons to not believe him. So many unanswered questions.

His Smirk today also leaves the door open to the possibility that he might be faking the obsessed lover persona. Some of his dialogues to Maya seem too OTT to be genuine. If he is faking it then WHY?? To take revenge from maya? To help Arjun? To help Saanjh?

There so many unknowns when it comes to Samay that it adds an intrigue and mystery to his character. His character and his equation with Maya is what is currently holding my interest in the show. Which way they take his character and what effect it has on Maya, I think is going to determine how the story moves forward.

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@poppins time has taken the test. And test of time always through fire. The quintessential agnipareeksha. The result of Agnipareeksha is seen when illusion breaks, perception breaks. Ram knew agni will not touch Sita or shall I say cannot touch Sita when she entered the fire. Because that's Sita and that is her dedication towards Ram.

Krishna knew what Arjun will chose when he gave him the choice on one side is my Narayani Sena and other side I am there Narayan without weapon. Make your choice.

Then why the test. It is to give the world the visual proof of what is the end result of those choices.

Here Saanjh chose past, Maya chooses present. No matter what the provocations are. Now the game will play to see what will be the result of these choices.

Originally posted by: sweetshruti

So today's episode finally showed Arjun confessing the truth of his and Maya's relationship to Ayaan. And what was that truth??? Well nothing that we don't already know. So apparently his issue with Maya is exactly what he has been harping about all this while. Nothing more to it.😕 . He is just frustrated and suffocated by her controlling behavior and the fact that he does not have the freedom to do ANYTHING. Ok fair enough, any sane person would feel that way if they were controlled to this extent by someone. Maya is completely wrong in doing what she is doing.

BUT what I don't understand is WHY has Arjun not even tried to UNDERSTAND why Maya is the way she is and WHY has he not tried to get her help?? I am not talking about understanding her NOW or trying to help her NOW, because obviously 3 years is a long time to be in such an unhealthy relationship and right now he is DONE with her and doesn't really care about helping her anymore. What I am talking about is maybe 6 months into their marriage, or 1 year into their marriage, whenever he started seeing signs of this unnatural control, when she first installed the CCTvs around the house, when she first harmed herself, when she tried to commit suicide the first time...Did he stop, take a step back and try to understand what was wrong with her? Why she was THIS insecure about losing him?? Obviously trying to kill yourself at a drop of a hat is not normal behavior, so did he consider consulting a psychiatrist to understand her condition?? Did he try to reason with her, make her feel more secure, understand why she din't trust him, do something to instill that trust?? Did he try to get her any sort of medical help at all??

Maya needed someone in her life who could stand up to her and tell her that she was wrong, who could control her and force her to get help for her issues, who could give her the security she craved. Jhanvi could never be that person because she was too scared of Maya and too guilty to stand up to her. Arjun should and could have been that person for Maya. He is strong willed enough to stand up to her if needed, has enough emotional control over her to make her do what he wants to if he really wanted to, I mean she would gladly jump from a cliff if he lovingly asked her to so what would stop him from using that control he has on her to make her go see a doctor or stop installing CCtvs etc?. Arjun was the only one in the position to actually do something for her but the question is DID HE?? Did he ever do any of this before giving up and deciding to end the relationship???? 😕

If he did try all this and failed then I can empathize with with him. But if he did not, if he simply got frustrated and decided to walk out then I don't think I can really empathize with him anymore. Today, the way he spoke about getting fed up and telling Maya that he wanted to leave was as if he was talking about handing over his resignation to his boss. Like the way he said that he told Maya that he was not going to be able to handle all this and wanted to leave...makes him sound like such a selfish, careless and irresponsible husband. I am not sure I can feel sorry for him, if he has not even made an attempt to save his marriage and the woman he claims to have loved.

Also, how easy was it for everyone to forgive each other in spite of so much happening between them??? Some half hearted sorry's, some dancing was all that was needed for everything to be forgiven and forgotten?? 😕 No one felt the need to sit and TALK and discuss what actually happened in these 3 years and where everyone went wrong?? 😳

Arjun's sorrys sounded like he was doing everyone a favour by apologizing. He seemed to be more concerned about Ayaan selling his jeep than listening to how Ayaan had to struggle for money in Arjun's absence. He was more interested in eating Aloo Paratha than catching up with his mother on what had happened in these 3 years.

Arjun claimed that he stuck with Maya all this while because he was scared she would harm herself and/or the people close to him. So what changed now?? Is he no longer scared for her or his family?? Or was that reason humbug, and the actual reason he was not leaving her was that his EGO was too big to accept his mistake and take that first step towards reconciling with everyone?? And now that Dusky was back to act as the mediator and save him the trouble of showing some maturity, he decides to go ahead and reunite with his family. 😕

Honestly whatever sympathy I had for Arjun after seeing his condition a few episodes ago has gone down the drain in the last 2 episodes. I hope the CVs plan to show that he did at least try to help Maya and at least tried to be a sensitive, understanding husband. If not, I don't think I can route for him at all.

Another interesting point is that once again we are told that alcohol makes a person speak the truth (atleast in beyhadhland) and then Arjun spills out all his secrets to Ayan to prove that point. So then are we to assume that everything Arjun has told till now when he was drunk is also the truth?? If that is the case then it means Arjun did marry Maya for money and considered her as his shortcut to success. Also, Arjun always loved Saanjh even when he was married to Maya. He said both these things while he was drunk.

If both these things are true then can we really call Arjun the victim here???

Honestly, I don't know what to make of Samay yet. He seems to be obsessed with Maya but then that leaves so many unanswered questions, if he so obsessed with her then where was he for 8 years?? Why has he not tried to contact her before?? Why did he chose to pose as Saanjh's boyfriend to get to Maya? He could have just landed up in maya's office like he did the other day and nothing would have changed. Not like being Saanjh's bf gets him exclusive access to Maya. Also, it looks like he cheated Maya (professionally? personally?) 8 years ago. Why would he do that if he was in love with her then? Also, Maya does not seem to be buying his obsessed lover act..why is that?? She must have her reasons to not believe him. So many unanswered questions.

His Smirk today also leaves the door open to the possibility that he might be faking the obsessed lover persona. Some of his dialogues to Maya seem too OTT to be genuine. If he is faking it then WHY?? To take revenge from maya? To help Arjun? To help Saanjh?

There so many unknowns when it comes to Samay that it adds an intrigue and mystery to his character. His character and his equation with Maya is what is currently holding my interest in the show. Which way they take his character and what effect it has on Maya, I think is going to determine how the story moves forward.

Originally posted by: _IHeartFriendz_

@underline

I have seen 2 cases of mental disorder. One was major depression and another was OCD. Both cases sorted out once the patients accepted that they need medical guidance. That's why I feel self realization is must. Once you accept that medical help is needed, then something is possible.

I was talking with my experience, but you are right there are several categories of mental disorder and all cant have same symptoms.

Originally posted by: TheUnique

I agree with you completely. Arjun today poured out his heart to Ayaan and now we all know his major problem in this marriage, is he's feeling suffocated due to Maya's controlling nature and his freedom being terminated.

But before marrying her wasn't Arjun very much aware of her nature! He had once told Saanjh that he felt like a pressure cooker been kept on his head when with Maya.

If drunk people indeed confess all the truth then we can safely say Arjun Sharna had married Maya for her money as that was his short cut to his dreams. Maybe he had thought he would handle Maya and she would just afford him all the luxuries and he could cheat with Saanjh on the side... cuz a drunk Arjun had also confessed his love for Saanjh.

I have said many times before Arjun is the most insensitive self obsessed selfish person of this show. If Maya's illness cannot be a cause enough for her to get all the sympathies then I don't see why a selfish Arjun who just uses people to achieve what he wants should be pitied at! He got into this mess with full knowledge... but he thought he could fool Maya and that's where he went wrong.

Arjun came across as a must irresponsible husband jise Maya ki paise se toh pyar hai but jab he had to take responsibilities of trying to help Maya by talking to her or getting help for her he did nothing. 3years he never tried to contact his family... with whom he started dancing that ridiculous dance ...I have always maintained Arjun Sharma was a failure in all his relations... son, brother, friend, husband ..in all he failed. Ek rishta bhi usne thik se nahi nibhaya ! I never felt sorry for him earlier and now his confession to Ayaan made me dislike him even more.

Samay looks to be totally engrossed with Maya. He was looking like an outsider in that Sharma & Mathur family circus. From the time he got to know that Maya left him for London ..he had that dismal look on his face. While Arjun Sharma treats Maya like a dirt ... he has no complaints regarding enjoying her money...that he got out of daan not hard work... this guy approves of everything Maya does.

According to me almost all people in Maya's life are useless when it comes to helping her. Arjun jhanvi Ashwin Samay all failed her.

We have seen what Jhanvi is capable of doing with her freedom. She goes straight to Ashwin who fed her sweets which is fatal for her... if Maya had not taken care of her she would have been dead by now.

Maya's insecurities and controlling nature has obviously developed from all these worthless humans who surrounded her.

Not even one sensible person is there in her life who could show her where she went wrong... who could get help for her... who she could trust cuz both jhanvi and Arjun broke her trust several times... She has never felt secure in her entire life.

What I found amusing was Vandy's bholi bhali would be bahu Simmi loves to booze! This is the stark truth... we love to believe the hypocrisy . I say this cuz during ArYa sangeet when Jhanvi was dancing and drinking Vandy mata looked horrified seeing her sambandh drink... & Now her would be DIL drinks. ...drinking is not a problem here but Vandy's low mentality and her judgemental attitude is.

When Maya was the reason that Arjun came closer to Vandy she never acknowledged it or ever thanked her but git treated like dirt... Now Saanjh brought Arjun to meet her and she's all smiles.