Understanding Beyhadh

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Posted: 8 years ago
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What exactly are the CVs trying to show?? Why are the characters all behaving the way they are?? Who are we supposed to feel for? Who are we supposed to root for?

I am so confused right now with the way the characters and story is shaping up.

Maya

Maya is defined by her insane insecurity and extreme posessiveness for the people she loves. Growing up as a lonely abused kid with no friends and family scarred her for life. The only person she did have was her mother who was herself extremely unstable and very gullible to the charms of her abusive father. Maya probably lived in the constant fear that Jhanvi would leave her for Ashwin one day and that she would be left all alone. This made her seek to completely control her mother and made her believe that total control was the only way she could safeguard her own interests and ensure that she gets the love she wants and needs. And so she lived her life as the control freak who trusts no one but herself and God.
Then comes Arjun who comes in as her knight in shinning armour, protecting her when she needed it and was at her vulnerable best, even though she din't ask for it. She started falling for him and then sought out to obtain him the only way she knew. In Saanjh she saw a threat who can take away Arjun from her (like Ashwin was in Jhanvi's case) and just like before she resorted to manipulation (with Jhanvi it was emotional manipulation) to ensure he chooses her.
In both cases notice her initial instinct is not to kill Ashwin or Saanjh to eliminate them permamnely but rather to make sure that Ar-Ja always prioratize and choose her over the others.

Till this point I completely understand and empathize with Maya. I understand where she is coming from, why she is the way she is and why she does what she does. I root for her to finally get the help, guidance, love and happiness she needs and deserves, for her to redeem and for her to heal.

Then comes the so called "Phase 2" of the show. We are shown Maya TRYING to change for the better, TRYING to adopt a new way of life, being a dutiful wife, Bahu and Bhabhi. So we think maybe love is starting to heal her after all.
Then suddenly we are thrown with the possibility that Maya is a murderer, that she is capable of killing people (including her mother) with no remorse whatsoever if it suits her. We are made to think that all the niceness that we saw in her may have all have been an act. Ashwin (the child abuser), and Vandana (the superstitious, overprotective mother) were probably right about her. Now suddenly I am not sure I am supposed to empathize with her or root for her?? Can her abusive past justify all the murders?? No it, cannot. So then is she the antagonist that I am supposed to root against?? I am not sure, because she is the only one I want to root for. If she is indeed responsible for everything that we think she did, then how are we supposed to ever forgive her for that?? How is anyone expected to understand that? Why would they do that to their main character??

But But But...

Considering everything in the para above is implied but not confirmed yet we can also entertain the possibility that MAY BE the murderer is not Maya. Maya is still manipulating people to get Arjun but not the one killing. If we look at this scenario then we can say that Maya tried to get Vandana on her side and fit in with Arjun's family but the constant rejection caused her to resort to her manipulative ways because she now beleives that's the only way that will work. This sort of justifys her behaviour yesterday (atleast a li'l bit) coz of the way Vandana has treated her. She now wants to do what she did with Jhanvi i.e completely control Arjun and cut him off from his family so that she remains his only priority. Her insecurity at play again. Considering all Vandana had been harping about is seperating Maya and Arjun can one really blame a inherently insecure person like Maya from wanting to mark her territory and kick Vandana out of her life??

We now see Arjun acting like a complete shitty, lying, selfish, insensitive husband, who leaves his pregnant wife alone to enjoy with his bestie, Who declares that he "loves" his best friend, who grimaces at the thought of going back home to his wife and would rather spend time with his bff, who repeatedly says that it's his bff who is his biggest support system, who runs to check on his bff rather than his wife who has just burnt her hands, who needs his bff to tell him that he needs to surprise his wife and so on. ALso, not to forget said bestie is also in love with him. Seeing the way Arjun has been behaving the past week any sane wife would loose it. Keeping the character of Maya in mind can we really fault Maya for going off the rail seeing what she has seen Arjun do??? Obviously the methods Maya adopts is the biggest problem and the one that needs to be questioned but in the above 2 cases can her reasoning and intentions really be questioned beyond a point?? I don't think so.

Are they trying to justify Maya's future actions by making Arjun behave the way he does?? What are we to make of Suman repeatedly telling Vandana that she is responsible for the way Maya is behaving, that she is looking at the situation through coloured lenses, that she is wrong in blaming Maya for everything, her telling Saanjh to not be the third wheel between a husband and wife?? Arjun once again talking about how it was wrong that people were using Maya's past to pull her down, that she was not responsible for what happened in her past etc...
Is this a way for the CVs to tell us that everything is not how it seems?? Maya is not really the villain we think she is??

If and only IF the red part is not how it seems then the rest of Maya's actions have been in keeping with her initial character. It still leaves scope for redemption and healing.

If the red part is true then any hope for redemption goes flying out of the window. If a person is capable of killing innocent people with no hint of remorse whatsoever then such a person cannot be emapthiszed with or justified no matter how tragic their life has been.

So which way do they want to go with Maya?? I am confused...But the bigger question is ARE THEY CONFUSED?? It sure seems like it but I hope I am wrong.

PS: Arjun and Saanjh analysis coming up

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: sweetshruti

What exactly are the CVs trying to show?? Why are the characters all behaving the way they are?? Who are we supposed to feel for? Who are we supposed to root for?

I am so confused right now with the way the characters and story is shaping up.

Maya

Maya is defined by her insane insecurity and extreme posessiveness for the people she loves. Growing up as a lonely abused kid with no friends and family scarred her for life. The only person she did have was her mother who was herself extremely unstable and very gullible to the charms of her abusive father. Maya probably lived in the constant fear that Jhanvi would leave her for Ashwin one day and that she would be left all alone. This made her seek to completely control her mother and made her believe that total control was the only way she could safeguard her own interests and ensure that she gets the love she wants and needs. And so she lived her life as the control freak who trusts no one but herself and God.
Then comes Arjun who comes in as her knight in shinning armour, protecting her when she needed it and was at her vulnerable best, even though she din't ask for it. She started falling for him and then sought out to obtain him the only way she knew. In Saanjh she saw a threat who can take away Arjun from her (like Ashwin was in Jhanvi's case) and just like before she resorted to manipulation (with Jhanvi it was emotional manipulation) to ensure he chooses her.
In both cases notice her initial instinct is not to kill Ashwin or Saanjh to eliminate them permamnely but rather to make sure that Ar-Ja always prioratize and choose her over the others.

Till this point I completely understand and empathize with Maya. I understand where she is coming from, why she is the way she is and why she does what she does. I root for her to finally get the help, guidance, love and happiness she needs and deserves, for her to redeem and for her to heal.

Then comes the so called "Phase 2" of the show. We are shown Maya TRYING to change for the better, TRYING to adopt a new way of life, being a dutiful wife, Bahu and Bhabhi. So we think maybe love is starting to heal her after all.
Then suddenly we are thrown with the possibility that Maya is a murderer, that she is capable of killing people (including her mother) with no remorse whatsoever if it suits her. We are made to think that all the niceness that we saw in her may have all have been an act. Ashwin (the child abuser), and Vandana (the superstitious, overprotective mother) were probably right about her. Now suddenly I am not sure I am supposed to empathize with her or root for her?? Can her abusive past justify all the murders?? No it, cannot. So then is she the antagonist that I am supposed to root against?? I am not sure, because she is the only one I want to root for. If she is indeed responsible for everything that we think she did, then how are we supposed to ever forgive her for that?? How is anyone expected to understand that? Why would they do that to their main character??

But But But...

Considering everything in the para above is implied but not confirmed yet we can also entertain the possibility that MAY BE the murderer is not Maya. Maya is still manipulating people to get Arjun but not the one killing. If we look at this scenario then we can say that Maya tried to get Vandana on her side and fit in with Arjun's family but the constant rejection caused her to resort to her manipulative ways because she now beleives that's the only way that will work. This sort of justifys her behaviour yesterday (atleast a li'l bit) coz of the way Vandana has treated her. She now wants to do what she did with Jhanvi i.e completely control Arjun and cut him off from his family so that she remains his only priority. Her insecurity at play again. Considering all Vandana had been harping about is seperating Maya and Arjun can one really blame a inherently insecure person like Maya from wanting to mark her territory and kick Vandana out of her life??

We now see Arjun acting like a complete shitty, lying, selfish, insensitive husband, who leaves his pregnant wife alone to enjoy with his bestie, Who declares that he "loves" his best friend, who grimaces at the thought of going back home to his wife and would rather spend time with his bff, who repeatedly says that it's his bff who is his biggest support system, who runs to check on his bff rather than his wife who has just burnt her hands, who needs his bff to tell him that he needs to surprise his wife and so on. ALso, not to forget said bestie is also in love with him. Seeing the way Arjun has been behaving the past week any sane wife would loose it. Keeping the character of Maya in mind can we really fault Maya for going off the rail seeing what she has seen Arjun do??? Obviously the methods Maya adopts is the biggest problem and the one that needs to be questioned but in the above 2 cases can her reasoning and intentions really be questioned beyond a point?? I don't think so.

Are they trying to justify Maya's future actions by making Arjun behave the way he does?? What are we to make of Suman repeatedly telling Vandana that she is responsible for the way Maya is behaving, that she is looking at the situation through coloured lenses, that she is wrong in blaming Maya for everything, her telling Saanjh to not be the third wheel between a husband and wife?? Arjun once again talking about how it was wrong that people were using Maya's past to pull her down, that she was not responsible for what happened in her past etc...
Is this a way for the CVs to tell us that everything is not how it seems?? Maya is not really the villain we think she is??

If and only IF the red part is not how it seems then the rest of Maya's actions have been in keeping with her initial character. It still leaves scope for redemption and healing.

If the red part is true then any hope for redemption goes flying out of the window. If a person is capable of killing innocent people with no hint of remorse whatsoever then such a person cannot be emapthiszed with or justified no matter how tragic their life has been.

So which way do they want to go with Maya?? I am confused...But the bigger question is ARE THEY CONFUSED?? It sure seems like it but I hope I am wrong.

PS: Arjun and Saanjh analysis coming up

Your post makes so much sense,but i don't know i have this feeling that Maya isn't killer though CVs are trying their best to instill doubts in our mind,but somehow i don't feel is Maya
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Your posts fall into 'my kind' of posts. 😃 Reserved. Will edit as soon as possible.
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Originally posted by: Peacelover15

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Your post makes so much sense,but i don't know i have this feeling that Maya isn't killer though CVs are trying their best to instill doubts in our mind,but somehow i don't feel is Maya


Thanks 😊.

I generally let what they show on screen govern my "feelings" about the story line and characters, so based on that I do think they are moving towards making Maya the killer. But then maybe they are misleading us or at least I hope they are. Nothing is more exciting than watching a thriller that actually surprises and thrills us at every turn rather than one watching one where we can guess the story from the word go.
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Quoting you ---> '' Are they trying to justify Maya's future actions by making Arjun behave the way he does?? '' My guess is YES. She is the protagonist.. even if she is grey they have given a back story and created circumstances to justify most of her actions... even now despite of possibilities of Maya being the actual murderer, you will find that many viewers empathize with her even if the argument is as lame as Ashwin deserved it.. and with Arjun-Saanjh current dynamics they are again going overboard to justify Maya's actions in future.. Even IF Arjun is just a simple ambitious, naive yet harmless guy his current actions are making the audience sympathize with Maya ..and if he has been faking with Maya all along then god save him..jis din pyar nahi hoga, us din zeher hoga.. she had warned him..
Edited by MistyDawn - 8 years ago
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A very good post dear. Enjoyed reading it. You have put all the points. The points in red are implied not confirmed. I will also wait for the CVs to open it up.
See the moot question is why Maya is doing what she is doing. you have rightly put that is how she has survived so long. There was no one to guide her on the methods right or wrong. If tomorrow she tries to come between Arjun and Saanjh well you cant fault her. Because that friendship is becoming beyhadh and Maya as a wife it will be difficult to tolerate. But the problem is her problem wont be solved if she comes between, as Saanjh allows Arjun to get away with any rubbish. She tells no duffer, no duffer but then doesnt firmly stop him. So Arjun the man he is will find ways and means to loop on to dusky whatever Maya tries to do. Maya for me at this point is powerless against the society that judges her, would question her past actions and in a way will never allow her to come out of the past.
Maya thinks she has power, but I would say she was powerless, she is powerless. Reason when it was Ashwin Jhanvi should have protected the child, but then mostly she protected her mother. She was let down by her mother.
Then she keeps hope on a man. Maybe he can protect her. But their also she fails. Once again she becomes the pawn in the game of Arjun, who keeps on going to Dusky leaving his pregnant wife, lying to her.
She has tried everything to survive, but I dont think she can survive like this for long. In constant fear, constant insecurity having only the perception of power and no real power. Maya's power is just a perception at this point.
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I just finished watching all episodes in 2 days. LOL
I am in love with Jennifer's potrayal of Maya.
But last 10 episodes have left me confused. 😕
I was rooting for Maya till 100 episodes but now I don't know what to make of her. Her trust is not being valued by Arjun and she no longer is the boss in her company which she could have used to manipulate him.
Plus why is she alienating all Arjun's family members and friends while earlier she was not doing so ? (May be beacuase now she is losing trust in Arjun slowly, don't know for sure)
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Originally posted by: MistyDawn

Quoting you ---> '' Are they trying to justify Maya's future actions by making Arjun behave the way he does?? '' My guess is YES. She is the protagonist.. even if she is grey they have given a back story and created circumstances to justify most of her actions... even now despite of possibilities of Maya being the actual murderer, you will find that many viewers empathize with her even if the argument is as lame as Ashwin deserved it.. and with Arjun-Saanjh current dynamics they are again going overboard to justify Maya's actions in future.. Even IF Arjun is just a simple ambitious, naive yet harmless guy his current actions are making the audience sympathize with Maya ..and if he has been faking with Maya all along then god save him..jis din pyar nahi hoga, us din zeher hoga.. she had warned him..


Agreed 😊
The sudden change in Arjun-Saanjh does seem to be to justify Maya turning against Arjun eventually. Saanjh will pay the price in the near future but in the long run I think they are paving the way for her to turn against Arjun and make him pay. The "poison" dialogue coming into play.


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The physical injuries Ashwin inflicted on Maaya healed long back, but the emotional scars have grown over time, with huge roots dug deep into her scarred mind.
As a friend of mine said, that the emotional wounds resulted in damaging her moral compass beyond repair....N Maaya was just an Impressionable 9 year old then...She doesn't know how to differentiate between the right & the wrong...She just believes that she was wronged very badly in childhood(which she actually was) & now, she deserves happiness(which she does)...It's just so tragic that her means of attaining that happiness are all wrong, & she is oblivious to that fact...She is not evil, but ill...& She needs medical intervention ASAP...Coz though one can empathise with her trauma & her illness, one cannot condone her manipulative measures & obsessive streak of controlling the one she loves...(I m not even talking about the murders which I suspect her alter has committed, which would mean that she could be tried n served capital punishment.) The very basis of a lasting relationship from her end is all wrong.


Note the following 2 important scenes between M & J

1) The day Maaya first disclosed to Jhanvi that she loved Arjun, J asked her whether A loved her too...N Maaya replied "Kya Fark padta Hai?"

2) Jhanvi kept urging Maya to tell her entire truth to Arjun before marriage, but Maya refused, because she was sure, Arjun would run away. Jhanvi told her that her Kal(past) was preventing her from moving into her Kal(future). At that point, Maya told her, that when wounds have not healed, they can turn into an abscess, n can kill a person...N she didn't want to die, but live....(heart wrenching scene...I almost had tears in my eyes that day 😭...That's y I remember)...

I have always believed that Maaya loved Arjun's courage in protecting her from Ashwin & his carefree fun loving spirit, 2 things which she didn't possess...She loved the thought of loving him, n thought that it could give her that elusive happiness which she has yearned for all her life.

At the same time, I believe that Arjun's reasons for marrying Maaya are all wrong too....All along he kept refuting love for Maaya saying that he didn't love her...He almost turned down her proposal, n then genuinely befriended her...But somehow, the lure of wealth & materialistic pleasures got the better of him in Mauritius, I think n blinded him...I saw him make a sudden u Turn, n suddenly he was in love with Maaya n proposed to her!!!...If he was actually confused, he can be condoned to some extent...But if he married Maya just for her money, there is no way Arjun's character can be redeemed....
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