Why 'Beyhadh' is Not a Love Story!

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"Hadh se zayada kuch bhi accha nahi...pyaar bhi nahi!"


The above line is what got me interested in watching Beyhadh.

I have commented on many topics on this forum, and for the past week or two I have been too busy to come on I.F. But finally got some time and caught up to Beyhadh this week, I really wanted to make this post. My very first on Beyhadh forum.

I know many people like Arjun and Maya together. (Frankly, I think they look good too). But I am not a person who is watching this show for their love story. I was always aware that this story was less about love and more about obsession! I read in an interview that this story and Maya's character are loosely based on Hollywood thriller "Gone Girl". In that story, the female protagonist is a dangerously unhinged woman. A master manipulator. But in the end, the man is so totally trapped that even knowing what she is really like, he is unable to escape. It was one engaging thriller, and it chilled me to the bone. A complex psychological drama. So if Maya is anything like Amy Dunne, then this story was never meant to be about Love. It's about "Control!"


In my view, Hate is not the antithesis of love, Control is. When one seeks to control another, there cannot be pure love in that equation. Love has no conditions, and it does not travel on one person's agenda or insecurities. The issue with Maya is that she grew up in a terrible situation. She had an abusive and controlling Father, a weak Mother. She spent most of her life escaping her father and mothering and protecting her Mother. There was NO one to protect her. My full sympathy is with Maya and her plight growing up. I cried when she and her Mother cried reminiscing their past and how they lived with an abusive Ashwin. Does she deserve love? Yes, she does. But does that make her methods of gaining love correct? No!


She is insecure and it is totally understanable that she is. Because of this, when she loves something or someone, she seeks to have a "hold" over it. She controls her Mother because she knows her Mother is her own worst enemy. (So in some ways I get it). But her control is due to her Beyhadh love for her Mother. She wants to keep her from Ashwin, even if it means keeping her locked up. But sometimes, we can't save people from themselves.


In the case of Arjun, she has fallen in love with him. But because she is the way she is, she cannot stand ANY competition for her love. She cannot stand anyone whom she thinks will be equally important to Arjun. While acting as if she is totally fine with Saanjh and even Arjun's family, she will seek to slowly extricate all of them from his life. The simple reason being she needs to be the only person in his life. She needs to control where he invests his love, emotions and time. A normal woman with a regular upbringing would not behave like Maya. I don't blame her for who she is, but who she is can never have a healthy long-term relationship with a man or with anyone. The reason being, where there is control and insecurity, love finds it hard to survive. Many marriages and relationships have failed for this reason. One person's insecurities and need to always be No 1, eventually drives the other person away. The person who is being controlled eventually gets fed up of it. No matter how much you love someone, once you start to feel like your whole life is being driven by one person, you will feel trapped. THEN you will try to break free.


I think Beydadh is that story. Arjun will love Maya, but his love will NEVER be enough. Eventually, he will want out, as he gets tired and fed up of always reassuring her and dealing with her insecurities. But Maya wont want to let him go. This is when she will seek to ruin him. "Uss se pyaar karo, jisse control kar saku. Jab pyaar aap ko control karne lage, tab uss pyaar ko barbaad karo!"


THIS is what Maya will do eventually. It's a pity. Because Arjun's love could have been what could have saved Maya, had she got the right help she needed to overcome her childhood trauma and insecurities. Just like we think it's a cliche that a man with a dark past and bad attitude will be "saved" by the heroine's love, the SAME applies here too. The Hero's love alone can't save the Heroine. You cannot cure a mental illness with love. It helps, but its not a cure. Maya has a problem. It can only be solved or cured if she gets help. Arjun will just be another victim of the issues she has, which to date has never been solved. Ashwin and Jhanvi are terrible parents and they deserve to be put in jail because they ruined her life. Unfortunately, Maya will ruin Arjun's life because that is all she knows to do. Arjun has NO idea what he is getting himself into. Eventually, when he does, it will be very late and this is when Saanjh and her lawyer skills will have to contribute to try and extricate him from his mess. I sincerely hope she does not marry Arjun. She should get someone who values her.


I want this show to NOT be a cliche but have a logical conclusion. I don't think Arjun-Maya or Arjun-Saanjh are end-game. If this show is a thriller, then no one should end up together. This is MY take. I would love to hear everyone else's thoughts on this! Thanks!
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I agree something is seriously wrong with maya and it is impossible to lead a normal life with her. Love is not enough to cure her, but it is needed. a combination of medication, doctors, self acceptance and support may help. I don't care if arjun and her don't end up together, but i do want maya to become a better person, and not so mentally disturbed. maybe it is too far fetched, but I hope she can come out of this dark hole and walk towards a better way of living in the end.
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Originally posted by: pomegranate

I agree something is seriously wrong with maya and it is impossible to lead a normal life with her. Love is not enough to cure her, but it is needed. a combination of medication, doctors, self acceptance and support may help. I don't care if arjun and her don't end up together, but i do want maya to become a better person, and not so mentally disturbed. maybe it is too far fetched, but I hope she can come out of this dark hole and walk towards a better way of living in the end.



Yes, even I don't want to see Maya in an asylum or any such thing. I want her to overcome her past and come out stronger. With or without Arjun.

Actually, even if she and Arjun end together, it is not totally bad. But it has to be because finally, she is able to move on from the past and stop controlling everything and everyone. But it is also acceptable if Arjun and Maya part ways and Arjun is alone at the end, and Saanjh married to someone else. It will give this story a more realistic feel and conclusion.


Maya as she is right now, cannot have a healthy relationship with anyone. It's a fact. I don't want the cliched ending like PTKK. (the movie) or even Gone Girl, where the man is trapped and unable to escape. I want something good to happen to ALL three of them at the end. Maybe not together, but as individuals, they all reach a good place. That would actually be a different ending.


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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: MrDarcyfan



Yes, even I don't want to see Maya in an asylum or any such thing. I want her to overcome her past and come out stronger. With or without Arjun.

Actually, even if she and Arjun end together, it is not totally bad. But it has to be because finally, she is able to move on from the past and stop controlling everything and everyone. But it is also acceptable if Arjun and Maya part ways and Arjun is alone at the end, and Saanjh married to someone else. It will give this story a more realistic feel and conclusion.


Maya as she is right now, cannot have a healthy relationship with anyone. It's a fact. I don't want the cliched ending like PTKK. (the movie) or even Gone Girl, where the man is trapped and unable to escape. I want something good to happen to ALL three of them at the end. Maybe not together, but as individuals, they all reach a good place. That would actually be a different ending.



Part of the reason why maya acts like this is because she knows she won't be accepted, she knows no one will want the real her.- who is broken and mentally disturbed. Manipulations and mind games were all she had while growing up,and since that worked, she is using it here as well. Only thing she never learned was, you need to manipulate in order to deal with people like ashwin, otherwise mind games are not needed. no one was there to teach her the right things while growing up, hence that contributed it to her curren state of mind.


If arjun is able to love maya despite the severe baggage she comes with, it may finally push her towards taking the right steps. I'm not saying love is enough but the lack of love and acceptance is why she became like this, so arjun's unwavering support may give her the confidence to seek help. Nothing can help her if she does not want to be helped, which is why self-awareness is important. if arjun can only be a spark of hope but it is her choice whether she wants to get hold of that spark to find a better way of living.
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@Darcy dear a beautiful post. I agree to all your points. I am watching it basically to see the journey of all the 3 people. Maya, Saanjh and Arjun. It is not about whether Arya will end together, or Saajun will be together. It is about how anything beyond limit is destructive to self and others.
At this point Maya controls, controls beyond limit. She has controlled her mother. But has that control helped. No because Jhanvi is a mess herself. Also control doesnt give you upper hand, because control is run through fear. People will do things behind your back in case of extreme control and when you know it, it will be too late. Jhanvi has done many such things for which Maya had to risk her life.

Now Saanjh her obsession with Arjun is also not healthy. She needs to have a life. Her obsession for a man who doesnt reciprocate her feelings has a bad effect on her family. Her father is deeply sad and angry too. So is her brother. But Saanjh even now is not looking at his reality and if the new promo where she applies haldi to the mirror is true then this girl too needs some serious self check.

Arjun well for him he takes advantage of everyone and expects everyone to be in his beck and call. I would say this guy has no real respect for a woman

So all 3 of them has to undertake the journey to define their limits, know the results of going beyond limit and in the end let the re discovery help all 3 of them to have a better life closing the past.

Gone girl I have also read the story. I dont want Beyhadh to be that. It was so dark.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Oh exactly you said the storyline very clearly and this would be very practical too...I am not for anyone's love in behadh,I am for the thriller...👏
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i love to read such sensible n unbiased post. personally i want sumthing positive for each ckt . i started watching this show for story maya ' s obsession. ended up liking saanjh too . many fans have complaints with maya 's characterisation as expectation was grey person with pure heart . but nothing of that sort was theme of the show . infact by giving history of childhood trauma atleast they made audience sympathise with her . Otherwise for obessive theme it was not even necessary. they made the story convincing by giving reason for maya's behaviour not justified her action. but if the people want to blackmail cvs n channel to change the story fine i think i will among those people who will loose interest if essence of showi is taken away . i love all white grey n dark ckt in the show .infact i have biggest criticism against arjun for his duffergiri. for me he is most unrealistic character.

gone girl theme will be good too

n i won't mind him more grey n dark coz as indian audience won't like this actions of maya against innocent pure heart loving arjun . maya will look ordinary vamp . real masala is when arjun is grey if the story follows gone girl concept.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@Darcy dear a beautiful post. I agree to all your points. I am watching it basically to see the journey of all the 3 people. Maya, Saanjh and Arjun. It is not about whether Arya will end together, or Saajun will be together. It is about how anything beyond limit is destructive to self and others.

At this point Maya controls, controls beyond limit. She has controlled her mother. But has that control helped. No because Jhanvi is a mess herself. Also control doesnt give you upper hand, because control is run through fear. People will do things behind your back in case of extreme control and when you know it, it will be too late. Jhanvi has done many such things for which Maya had to risk her life.

Now Saanjh her obsession with Arjun is also not healthy. She needs to have a life. Her obsession for a man who doesnt reciprocate her feelings has a bad effect on her family. Her father is deeply sad and angry too. So is her brother. But Saanjh even now is not looking at his reality and if the new promo where she applies haldi to the mirror is true then this girl too needs some serious self check.

Arjun well for him he takes advantage of everyone and expects everyone to be in his beck and call. I would say this guy has no real respect for a woman

So all 3 of them has to undertake the journey to define their limits, know the results of going beyond limit and in the end let the re discovery help all 3 of them to have a better life closing the past.

Gone girl I have also read the story. I dont want Beyhadh to be that. It was so dark.



Hi I am Mandy BTW! Yes I also want good things for all three characters and a journey for all three. Because from the very first scene at the Ganesh festival, the story was about all three. Arjun, Maya and Saanjh.

I didn't see the Promo where Saanjh is applying Haldi on the mirror? That girl is a sandwich away from a picnic too! Maya may be whatever she is, but Saanjh has her own major issues. She does not listen to her Father or her family and it really makes me mad to see that. She plays with their feelings for Arjun. Just when they think she is going to come out of all this, she runs back into it again.

First by not leaving to Singapore when she had the chance, and next by taking Maya's job when she didn't have to. There too she fell in Maya's trap. Saanjh is smart but half the time she is not using her brain. Maya is ALWAYS using her brain and that is why so far she is winning this game.(If in fact this is a game). She knows how to manipulate any situation to her advantage. Learned from the best. Her criminal mastermind Baap! LOL

Arjun? Don't even get me started on him. Blind as a bat and won't know a fact if it hit him over the head and kicked him in the back! The guy needs a major reality check. To this date, he didn't know how Saanjh felt, and now he doesn't know what Maya is doing. He is WAY out of his league with both these women. Especially Maya. Dusky is the only girl he knew so well and knowing her will NEVER prepare Arjun to deal with "The" Maya Mehtorta who at such a young age has become a business tycoon. One day, owning Maya's business will be a reason of ruin for Arjun. I can see it coming. But he can't. Because he is "Duffer!".

I like the story the way it is, and I think they need to STICK to the story they were going to tell. Don't need to end Maya in an asylum or in prison and Arjun in hospital or any such thing. Like someone else said, they can both be gray, and that is fine. There is no need for Arjun to just be a victim and suffer. Let him try to play her like Gone Girl guy did, and even the way Arjun played that guy from Maya's office who tried to frame him at the start. He has it in him, if he wants to use his brain. If nothing else the "Jaws" like theme music should tell us we are watching a thriller and not a romantic saga! 😲
Edited by MrDarcyfan - 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: sindu_gurti

Oh exactly you said the storyline very clearly and this would be very practical too...I am not for anyone's love in behadh,I am for the thriller...👏



Same. I am here for the thriller too. I like Maya's overall character presentation. They have done a good job with getting people to empathize with a gray character who has probably black shades too.

Saanjh's character disappointed me with her Arjun obsession. But overall I like her. I think her family are really good people. Yes Mom especially was misguided about Arjun. But since they found out about ARYA, they have done their best to try and get Saanjh to move on. But Saanjh is still on her mission to be there for Arjun, when in actual fact she should have cut her losses and gone to Singapore. She really needs to focus on herself.

But she is a good friend and she thinks she is saving her friend. She doesn't realize how badly she and Arjun are both being manipulated. I would love to know what is written in Maya's Kundali? That Mauritius Pandit Ji knew without even reading her horoscope what was going on. ALL indications are something is very seriously wrong and I am now just dying of curiosity. I need to know. What has Maya done and what is in her horoscope? Tell us already! 😡
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Originally posted by: MrDarcyfan


"Hadh se zayada kuch bhi accha nahi...pyaar bhi nahi!"


The above line is what got me interested in watching Beyhadh.


I have commented on many topics on this forum, and for the past week or two I have been too busy to come on I.F. But finally got some time and caught up to Beyhadh this week, I really wanted to make this post. My very first on Beyhadh forum.

I know many people like Arjun and Maya together. (Frankly, I think they look good too). But I am not a person who is watching this show for their love story. I was always aware that this story was less about love and more about obsession! I read in an interview that this story and Maya's character are loosely based on Hollywood thriller "Gone Girl". In that story, the female protagonist is a dangerously unhinged woman. A master manipulator. But in the end, the man is so totally trapped that even knowing what she is really like, he is unable to escape. It was one engaging thriller, and it chilled me to the bone. A complex psychological drama. So if Maya is anything like Amy Dunne, then this story was never meant to be about Love. It's about "Control!"


In my view, Hate is not the antithesis of love, Control is. When one seeks to control another, there cannot be pure love in that equation. Love has no conditions, and it does not travel on one person's agenda or insecurities. The issue with Maya is that she grew up in a terrible situation. She had an abusive and controlling Father, a weak Mother. She spent most of her life escaping her father and mothering and protecting her Mother. There was NO one to protect her. My full sympathy is with Maya and her plight growing up. I cried when she and her Mother cried reminiscing their past and how they lived with an abusive Ashwin. Does she deserve love? Yes, she does. But does that make her methods of gaining love correct? No!


She is insecure and it is totally understanable that she is. Because of this, when she loves something or someone, she seeks to have a "hold" over it. She controls her Mother because she knows her Mother is her own worst enemy. (So in some ways I get it). But her control is due to her Beyhadh love for her Mother. She wants to keep her from Ashwin, even if it means keeping her locked up. But sometimes, we can't save people from themselves.


In the case of Arjun, she has fallen in love with him. But because she is the way she is, she cannot stand ANY competition for her love. She cannot stand anyone whom she thinks will be equally important to Arjun. While acting as if she is totally fine with Saanjh and even Arjun's family, she will seek to slowly extricate all of them from his life. The simple reason being she needs to be the only person in his life. She needs to control where he invests his love, emotions and time. A normal woman with a regular upbringing would not behave like Maya. I don't blame her for who she is, but who she is can never have a healthy long-term relationship with a man or with anyone. The reason being, where there is control and insecurity, love finds it hard to survive. Many marriages and relationships have failed for this reason. One person's insecurities and need to always be No 1, eventually drives the other person away. The person who is being controlled eventually gets fed up of it. No matter how much you love someone, once you start to feel like your whole life is being driven by one person, you will feel trapped. THEN you will try to break free.


I think Beydadh is that story. Arjun will love Maya, but his love will NEVER be enough. Eventually, he will want out, as he gets tired and fed up of always reassuring her and dealing with her insecurities. But Maya wont want to let him go. This is when she will seek to ruin him. "Uss se pyaar karo, jisse control kar saku. Jab pyaar aap ko control karne lage, tab uss pyaar ko barbaad karo!"


THIS is what Maya will do eventually. It's a pity. Because Arjun's love could have been what could have saved Maya, had she got the right help she needed to overcome her childhood trauma and insecurities. Just like we think it's a cliche that a man with a dark past and bad attitude will be "saved" by the heroine's love, the SAME applies here too. The Hero's love alone can't save the Heroine. You cannot cure a mental illness with love. It helps, but its not a cure. Maya has a problem. It can only be solved or cured if she gets help. Arjun will just be another victim of the issues she has, which to date has never been solved. Ashwin and Jhanvi are terrible parents and they deserve to be put in jail because they ruined her life. Unfortunately, Maya will ruin Arjun's life because that is all she knows to do. Arjun has NO idea what he is getting himself into. Eventually, when he does, it will be very late and this is when Saanjh and her lawyer skills will have to contribute to try and extricate him from his mess. I sincerely hope she does not marry Arjun. She should get someone who values her.


I want this show to NOT be a cliche but have a logical conclusion. I don't think Arjun-Maya or Arjun-Saanjh are end-game. If this show is a thriller, then no one should end up together. This is MY take. I would love to hear everyone else's thoughts on this! Thanks!


I've seen you around occasionally, I'm Dhrishti. You must start making posts more often, this is beautiful! Agreed, the Beyhadh tagline is immensely captivating, I'm not surprised that's what got you interested in the show. You post has made me realise certain views of my own which I've been trying to avoid for weeks, months perhaps. I hope you don't mind that I felt the need to make an entirely separate post on this, partly as a response and further analysis of your post. Check it out if you'd like - http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4795499#p140062192


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