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Posted: 6 years ago
#21

Originally posted by: Harshadholic


Something is really wrong here. Sms chgs are from 1 to 3 per text

I do not know the figure last year but they give the total number of votes recd. This was close to 1.7.votes for popular voting

Sms again fans will not prefer unless most of them have switched to jio where there are free sms packages

Is she referring to 17 crores in total for all categories. ??

Have overseas fans also voted ?


Yes she was referring to 17cr in total like for the entire ITA. And it includes overseas voting as well, I am an overseas audience I voted too online but I had to give my phone number, though it didn't charge anything. Voting online is quite cheaper compared to sms
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Posted: 6 years ago
#22

Originally posted by: arshi_asya


Who is blaming BARC for manipulation. I know how statistical sampling can present a picture that may be far from reality. Among 3 kinds of lies in the world- Statistics is one of them which is not exactly considered a lie technically but doesn't present an actual picture as well. College say 100% placement with so & so package while I know what's the truth to that since I have been part of Placement Office Team back in my college for 2 years.

There are only 30k meters in some billion households in the country. Look at the ratio. One figure implies millions at the same time. I didn't say those 30k meters are tampered. Read that again. But are 30k meters enough to give an actual picture. Digitization makes it possible to detect transmission & receipt of signal for every minute (and that is not attack on privacy since signals are global & limited to selective transmission). How are foreign countries measuring the exact no. of viewership of their shows at a time without these meters. Technology is already there to do that with the help of satellite signals.

Main GEC channels are still 7-8 only since 2000s. So, one has to admit that TV audience has decreased significantly in this decade with the seep in of Internet. Even in 2012-13, some shows had TRPs of 6-7 at prime time. And the trend is likely to continue with the way independent apps are coming up with refreshing content on Netflix, Amazon Prime, Youtube Originals & other independent digital apps.

As for mocking, even Pakistanis & Turkish make much better shows than us with all their cultural ethics intact & realism in them. Stories are not recycled unlike here where recycling is fun. Leave apart western content, most of our content can't compete with their Asian counterparts whose cultural values are more or less very similar to that of ours.

These same channels were thriving with great content back in 90s & even now those shows are in people's mind. And content must change with times.


See j told u the way trp calculated in 2012 us differeng yo the way they f calculating now..so don't compare

I don't know what technology u f talking .. USA also follows the sane system like us except there are more meters ...so it's the same ..here barc does .nthete nieoson does it ...

Ok I feel barc should take 30000 to 10 lakh metrs for sufficienttt sampling Yo mAt h neildon ..but procedure is same

https://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/question433.htm
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: VARUNI2014


See j told u the way trp calculated in 2012 us differeng yo the way they f calculating now..so don't compare

I don't know what technology u f talking .. USA also follows the sane system like us except there are more meters ...so it's the same ..here barc does .nthete nieoson does it ...

Ok I feel barc should take 30000 to 10 lakh metrs for sufficienttt sampling Yo mAt h neildon ..but procedure is same

https://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/question433.htm


Sampling ration has to change here & so should the content genre. The no. of genre explored in west or foreign can never be compared with the genres explored here. Here we explore only 1 genre most of the times- Saas-Bahu with almost same script in every other show. Now there is trend for supernatural with almost same elements. Sometimes, mythos & pseudo-historic gain a trend.

Shows here are made for only a certain section as if rest don't exist. There is literally no experimentation. One genre catches up & everybody jumps to same boat, not thinking that it might end up sinking the boat for the worst.

Foreigners are coming to the country & telling us on what shows to make & earning their revenues. While our own channels & media houses don't want to cater to the set of audience which is switching to that content.

Nothing wrong with daily soaps, but there is slot & limit to it. There should be a limit to episodes, story & the way it is presented. But here, people follow a trend, like it's supernatural now, so everyone bring up a script with supernatural content only.

ITV has reached the saturation in so many things. And channels can't thrive over that saturation for long. Besides, sampling has to change. Everyone at some point should get a chance to be part of sampling survey as it happens in US & UK unlike here.

They can't always be like Oh but people are watching this sort of content only. When there is literally no experimentation, what choice are people left with. And this interference in story from channel in such unexpected manner should also go.

In short, ITV has to revolutionize before it's too late. Bollywood has begun the process already, hope they do too.
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Posted: 6 years ago
#24
Wonderful interview, enlightening discussion. Thanks for sharing. 👍🏼

For me, the highlight of the interview was how long Harshad has come since Kis Des-Tere Liye days, and how he has grown - his line: when he won his first award he thought he was good, now he thinks his time is good. This itself shows he does not take his stardom at its face value and hence he isn't blinded by it. Kudos to him for this. 👏 May he continues to excel and shine!

Also, I agree that there are more 'stars' today than ever before.. but that doesn't make a 'crowd'. That makes galaxy, and that is how TV can change.. by shining together.




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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: arshi_asya


Sampling ration has to change here & so should the content genre. The no. of genre explored in west or foreign can never be compared with the genres explored here. Here we explore only 1 genre most of the times- Saas-Bahu with almost same script in every other show. Now there is trend for supernatural with almost same elements. Sometimes, mythos & pseudo-historic gain a trend.

Shows here are made for only a certain section as if rest don't exist. There is literally no experimentation. One genre catches up & everybody jumps to same boat, not thinking that it might end up sinking the boat for the worst.

Foreigners are coming to the country & telling us on what shows to make & earning their revenues. While our own channels & media houses don't want to cater to the set of audience which is switching to that content.

Nothing wrong with daily soaps, but there is slot & limit to it. There should be a limit to episodes, story & the way it is presented. But here, people follow a trend, like it's supernatural now, so everyone bring up a script with supernatural content only.

ITV has reached the saturation in so many things. And channels can't thrive over that saturation for long. Besides, sampling has to change. Everyone at some point should get a chance to be part of sampling survey as it happens in US & UK unlike here.

They can't always be like Oh but people are watching this sort of content only. When there is literally no experimentation, what choice are people left with. And this interference in story from channel in such unexpected manner should also go.

In short, ITV has to revolutionize before it's too late. Bollywood has begun the process already, hope they do too.


See market forces determine what is what ...TV channels know how many f watching TV and how many watching Netflix ..they have data


If really people who watch internet content ate huge than TV watching guys then def itv will put that content on the ..you and me need not tell them

Back in 90 maintenance expenses low salaries low ..so they need not care for much revenue ...

Now every think skyrocketed ..so now revenue important ..otherwise they have yo close channels

Finally our speculations that more people watching Netflix might be wrong...TV guys have data ...they show what huge majority want ...
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: arshi_asya



TRP is coming from only some 30k meters. In a country of of huge population, you really think targeting only that section will work. Everyone is paying for these channels. And if this continue, people are gonna cancel the subscription. Channels earn money from subscription too. Actors can switch to Internet if they get good scripts too over time like Ram Kapoor, Barun, Sanaya & so many others.

In a place where TRP system is rigged, it needs to be pointed out. Otherwise it will never change. International audience mocks most of our shows.

Audience who watch the good shows doesn't even contribute to the so called TRPs & that proves that shows with literally good content are not popular. India has sensible audience who can recognize good shows, that's why Zindagi shows became a rage. But this audience doesn't contribute to TRP. And such audience will increase only in future.

Channels themselves should work up for improvement of TRP system rather than caving into more regressive content to cater to selective audience. Even people in villages with Internet connection are switching to Internet content.

And if channel give it some time, things will change for the best for them only. But their short-sightedness to earn quick profits leads to interference in the story which leads to completely ruining the story.

Back in 2000s, EK shows used to get TRP of some 22 points. Now, at most they get 4 pts. It speaks a lot about audience TV has lost. In some 10 years, these channels won't get over 1 with the way Internet content is seeping in.

Channels are digging their own graves only with the way they are turning out to be. They might not even end up
capable to do charity if they
don't revolutionize.

If TV shows are popular online then it counts since urban audience finds net more feasible with their life style. That means this audience is not contributing to TV but it is contributing to Online revenue collection. And for heaven's sake, let a director & writer show their story without interfering. They know what they do.




LOUDER 👏 yes back in 2000s shows would get TRPs of 21-22 now max TRP a crappy show gets is 3-4. In the next few years, I doubt whether these melodramatic shows will be able to sustain a 2 😆 everyone can see the shitfest that Indian tv has become except for these channels. In their greed for money, they have stopped caring about content. There's so many good changes I can think of which needs to happen in ITV. Harshad was right unless a big blow takes place, nothing can improve the current scenario of most Indian tv shows.
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Posted: 6 years ago
#27

Originally posted by: VARUNI2014


See market forces determine what is what ...TV channels know how many f watching TV and how many watching Netflix ..they have data


If really people who watch internet content ate huge than TV watching guys then def itv will put that content on the ..you and me need not tell them

Back in 90 maintenance expenses low salaries low ..so they need not care for much revenue ...

Now every think skyrocketed ..so now revenue important ..otherwise they have yo close channels

Finally our speculations that more people watching Netflix might be wrong...TV guys have data ...they show what huge majority want ...


The socioeconomic classification has classes in sociology as well as economics. A, B, C.
There was a time when C was much larger, but now C has reduced & has promoted to B & B have further promoted themselves. None of their shows cater to taste of urban audience which is in Class A & B mostly, who want crisp & finite content with proper story-telling. Few shows may come here & there & that's it. Sony is doing good with their good content shows that can resonate with everyone.

ITV even now is catering to C & lower sections of B. TV actors themselves have confessed so many times. Why do you think, senior TV actors are exploring web because it gives them creative satisfaction.

And no, there is no speculation about increase of on-demand content. It's a fact on paper. TV guys know it & they know that audience who is shifting to that content will not watch their show anyway, so why bother. We can continue with what we have been doing for years & continue catering to Section C on TV. EK has come up with brilliant shows online but still continues to show regressive shows on TV.

Companies don't spend unless they do their calculation on target & same is going with Netflix & Amazon. They know frustration of Class B & C from ITV & demand for that sort of content & they are giving it to them, while our channels are busy ignoring them.

Everyone wants to bring up things that come, earn profit, go & be forgotten but no one wants to come up with things that can become classic for future. Even today, SRK is remembered for his early career roles than this latest ones in Dilwale & others & he himself admits it.

Game of Thrones didn't become this success in a day. I still remember no one cared for its first season. The promo of first season came & no one was bothered. But it was only when they killed Ned Stark in Season 1, it gained attention. Season 2 gained more attention & by the time Season 3 ended, it had become an international rage. And now it stands on a level, where a single teaser of mere 15 seconds breaks all records everywhere. Hotstar went ahead to show Season 7 exclusively in legal way & earned huge profits.

Good shows work even today if not interfered with & given a chance. Look at KRPKAB, YUDKBH, DHTH, POW. These didn't get good TRP but fared so well on online medium. Their online revenue was quite well.

As for salaries & revenue, things work on inflation adjustment. Value of 100 Rs in 90s will not be same as in today's time. So, keeping in mind inflation, things were costly even then. Rs 1000 in 90s are equivalent to Rs 1 lakh today. Today, they are spending more & earning less because of their haste only. Things were always working on revenue. It's not like revenue has become important only now & earlier maintenance was filthy cheap.

P.S- A,B,C Class division example is actually real thing in demographic classification & a part of sociology & economics.
Edited by arshi_asya - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Glad he got 60% thoroughly deserves it
Or deserves even more 😆
He is the first celebrity that I voted several time and my voting for him increased when ita didn't put him for best actor jury 😡
He deserves all of the awards
It's about damn bloody time he wins those awards 😆
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Thanks for the link, tannu. Great iv, sensible viewpoints, and Harshad looking delectable.
@VARUNI, the problem with barc samples is that the sample population is skewed. It is made up of those who are inclined towards soaps rather than serials. Maybe this is from carelessness, ignorance, or deliberate, the last to accommodate certain serial makers or types of serials.
Suppose you want to get statistics on pet owners, but want a particular result. For example, I want a sample that will show that fish are the most preferred pets. I can select a sample heavily loaded with those who have aquariums. Voila! My results will be what I want.
Trps are not a fair representation, IMO. The sample size would be okay if it covered all types of viewers. It does not.
Yes, you're right to an extent wrt the ita/sbs/avta voting. Dedicated fds repeatedly vote for their favourites, so the results are not an absolute indication, because just as trps ignore a particular population, these are restricted to those with online access or sms plans that allow full-on multiple voting. I think for us the frenzied voting was a way to redress what happened with bepannah and to get some justice for our actors/show. And I really felt they deserved it. If I had watched anything else and found an actor better, I'd have not voted for ours, even though Harshad is my personal favourite.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: thelastsuspect

Glad he got 60% thoroughly deserves it
Or deserves even more 😆
He is the first celebrity that I voted several time and my voting for him increased when ita didn't put him for best actor jury 😡
He deserves all of the awards
It's about damn bloody time he wins those awards 😆

Count me in!
He is the first person of my life to whom I voted apart apart from bjp in state assembly elections😆

I never ever voted for anyone in these award functions, reality shows... Thinking chal na yaar milna hoga to mil jayega😆

And then...suddenly...Mr. Harshad Chopda comes to my life, i cursed to myself arrey ITV itna bhi bura nhi Hai...Kuchh actors Hai who are so strongly expressive while acting ,( not a flat faced like others😕)

Iss bandey ne mujhse wo sb karaya h Jo mene life me kbi ni kiya😆
And voting in ita more multiple times is one of them.

Proud...Im so proud to being his fan!!!

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