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Posted: 7 years ago
#11

Originally posted by: arshi_asya



1. Yash has been proved a murderer of Pooja. AdiYa were released on the very same ground. Sociopath in the sense that man killed someone else's wife only because she asked her money back.

2. Easy to blame Madhu for every single thing even when she tries so hard to set things right. Madhu had a lot about AdiYa & she would have stripped both of their honor & proved that AdiYa indeed were having an affair just like Mahi & her statement would have been much more credible in the court. It was too easy for her to stand for prosecution side. She accepted Yash being infidel but proving that he murdered someone is too much.

3. Aditya is still not done with Yash blame rant. While Zo is done with defending Yash's cheating. She isn't defending Yash's cheating. She just stated that they were having an affair & it need to be accepted rather than continuing the blame game. And how it it that Madhu should be blamed. She didn't ask Yash to cheat or even encourage him. Cheating was all on Yash-Pooja. Children do mistakes despite knowing the consequences & yet parents should be blamed. Wahh.
Why should Madhu be blamed when Adi himself stood against Sakshi being blamed for Pooja's cheating. But no Adi went a step further by creating havoc in Madhu's house while Zoya had been nothing but respectful towards Pooja till date. That's hypocrisy on Adi's part. I may say anything about your dead spouse but you shouldn't cross the line. Sadly human nature doesn't work that way. Equal & opposite reaction is a law in itself.

4. Men is judged by his mental capacity & professional credibility & woman by her character in almost every single world society. So, if Pooja was to be framed than the question on her character was definite thing. Even though unacceptable, it is existent still today. Accept it or not but the equation even today unfortunately is Man's incompetence=Woman's character.
If Adi was questioned about his incompetence, it would have created a same impact in his mind as Zoya for being proved an incompetent wife & characterless woman. Some things, work differently for man & woman.

5. Adultery charge that Mr. hooda mentioned are biased in India. A husband can drag his wife & her lover to court on the adultery charges but a woman can't do it under Section 497 in IPC.

6. If Yash was to take down someone with him in his loserdom, then why not Zoya. Pooja was DIl of mighty Hooda's. She was no ordinary woman.

6. This whole case was poorly fought. One day for prosecution & other for the defense & bam, there is the verdict & case is closed. Cases are not closed on speculations but on final judgement. Prosecution has so much to explore in Day 2, but the show has to be dragged, so anything they do is acceptable. Very poorly written court case for a show that is originally based on double-murder mystery.

7. The day Adi comes to know of Pooja being pregnant. Even he would be questioning Pooja's credibility in the very same way. Questioning it to the fact, who was she pregnant with.

8. Zoya said- "They loved each other. They were with each other. And Adi knows it." How exactly is she in denial is beyond me. Zoya didn't defend Yash cheating but she did defend the murder charges. She actually called onto both for the case not just one person. PooSh were no children. They had mutual consent when having an affair. Why would Pooja give 5 crores to someone without proper paerwork & that to a man she just met if she wanted to be all professional. But no, she gave loan on confidence as she believed she wouldn't be paid back.

9. Besides, Yash being clinically depressed doesn't mean he would commit suicide. It's just a speculation. So, Yash committed suicide was a speculation as well but Mr. Hooda used it to mark him as a murderer. I have seen clinically depressed cases & if they somehow die in that phase doesn't mean they committed suicide. It could have been an accident as well.

10. Just because Pooja didn't sign divorce papers doesn't mean she didn't intend to, otherwise why would you even want divorce papers to be made. Atleast Zo had a closure because Yash signed papers. Adi didn't even have that privilege. So, Adi is likely to hang in that for a long time.

11. The original case needs to be reopened to explore the whole mystery. This murder is the main plot of the show. Adiya being together in this journey is secondary.

So, Zoya wasn't entirely wrong in bringing out Mr. Hooda's hypocrisy. If dead need not be bothered than , Yash also should have had that privilege.

With this, I rest my case.




One of the very few sensible posts I have read today 👏 i'm tired of seeing the continuous Adi vs Zoya debate both here and twitter 🥱
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Posted: 7 years ago
#12

Originally posted by: Cherryfairy



One of the very few sensible posts I have read today 👏 i'm tired of seeing the continuous Adi vs Zoya debate both here and twitter 🥱


Even I am done with Zo-Madhu bashing. Insensitivity for Madhu as well as Yash to an extent is actually something that bothers me much. There are times when Adi is right but he isn't right at this point.

What AdiYa did for each other during this track is need of the situation. If Adi had decided to leave Zoya alone then Mr. Siddiqui would have found other way to get Adi back in this. Also, Rajveer would have done the same with Adi.

But the output of case is disappointing and disturbing to an extent.

Everyone saying that Zoya called Pooja a prostitute. But she didn't call her a prostitute. She just said how would Adi feel if my lawyer would have called Pooja a prostitute & here is the big difference.

Difference between the actual & what if. What happened with Yash is actual & with Pooja is what if. Adi would have behaved in the same way as Zoya if what if was true.

Case has to be reopened at all cost. Someone has to do it anyway. So why bother if Zoya is doing it. Case is the plot of the show.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Ruhi07


Just one question?? Did Zoya prove anything in court that Pooja is characterless n all.. she was just making a point.not really questioning her character.

I was commenting on Zoya equating the two things as in this case she is clearly over reacting
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Totally agree TM.
D only fault i found in Zo today was she was still meek in front of Mahi.
After showing so much bonding, it baffles me how cv's show dt Adi is completely clueless abt Zoya's predicament. He wanted her to come n celebrate???? n after he called Yash cheater again did Zoya react. . ..Zoya has stopped Yash jaap long back, but itz Adi who never stops...i think it will take him ages to get over d bitterness or shud i call it male ego?
Mahi Yash n now Hooda's have been unfair to Madhu. What is her fault in all dis? She atleast has a conscience. This forum is so weird to show fingers at d right ppl.

Even i feel rather than taking a decision in haste, Zoya shud investigate n gather information n dn reopen d case.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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1. Yash has been proved a murderer of Pooja. AdiYa were released on the very same ground. Sociopath in the sense that man killed someone else's wife only because she asked her money back.

2. Easy to blame Madhu for every single thing even when she tries so hard to set things right. Madhu had a lot about AdiYa & she would have stripped both of their honor & proved that AdiYa indeed were having an affair just like Mahi & her statement would have been much more credible in the court. It was too easy for her to stand for prosecution side. She accepted Yash being infidel but proving that he murdered someone is too much.

3. Aditya is still not done with Yash blame rant. While Zo is done with defending Yash's cheating. She isn't defending Yash's cheating. She just stated that they were having an affair & it need to be accepted rather than continuing the blame game. And how it it that Madhu should be blamed. She didn't ask Yash to cheat or even encourage him. Cheating was all on Yash-Pooja. Children do mistakes despite knowing the consequences & yet parents should be blamed. Wahh.
Why should Madhu be blamed when Adi himself stood against Sakshi being blamed for Pooja's cheating. But no Adi went a step further by creating havoc in Madhu's house while Zoya had been nothing but respectful towards Pooja till date. That's hypocrisy on Adi's part. I may say anything about your dead spouse but you shouldn't cross the line. Sadly human nature doesn't work that way. Equal & opposite reaction is a law in itself.

4. Men is judged by his mental capacity & professional credibility & woman by her character in almost every single world society. So, if Pooja was to be framed than the question on her character was definite thing. Even though unacceptable, it is existent still today. Accept it or not but the equation even today unfortunately is Man's incompetence=Woman's character.
If Adi was questioned about his incompetence, it would have created a same impact in his mind as Zoya for being proved an incompetent wife & characterless woman. Some things, work differently for man & woman.

5. Adultery charge that Mr. hooda mentioned are biased in India. A husband can drag his wife & her lover to court on the adultery charges but a woman can't do it under Section 497 in IPC.

6. If Yash was to take down someone with him in his loserdom, then why not Zoya. Pooja was DIl of mighty Hooda's. She was no ordinary woman.

6. This whole case was poorly fought. One day for prosecution & other for the defense & bam, there is the verdict & case is closed. Cases are not closed on speculations but on final judgement. Prosecution has so much to explore in Day 2, but the show has to be dragged, so anything they do is acceptable. Very poorly written court case for a show that is originally based on double-murder mystery.

7. The day Adi comes to know of Pooja being pregnant. Even he would be questioning Pooja's credibility in the very same way. Questioning it to the fact, who was she pregnant with.

8. Zoya said- "They loved each other. They were with each other. And Adi knows it." How exactly is she in denial is beyond me. Zoya didn't defend Yash cheating but she did defend the murder charges. She actually called onto both for the case not just one person. PooSh were no children. They had mutual consent when having an affair. Why would Pooja give 5 crores to someone without proper paerwork & that to a man she just met if she wanted to be all professional. But no, she gave loan on confidence as she believed she wouldn't be paid back.

9. Besides, Yash being clinically depressed doesn't mean he would commit suicide. It's just a speculation. So, Yash committed suicide was a speculation as well but Mr. Hooda used it to mark him as a murderer. I have seen clinically depressed cases & if they somehow die in that phase doesn't mean they committed suicide. It could have been an accident as well.

10. Just because Pooja didn't sign divorce papers doesn't mean she didn't intend to, otherwise why would you even want divorce papers to be made. Atleast Zo had a closure because Yash signed papers. Adi didn't even have that privilege. So, Adi is likely to hang in that for a long time.

11. The original case needs to be reopened to explore the whole mystery. This murder is the main plot of the show. Adiya being together in this journey is secondary.

So, Zoya wasn't entirely wrong in bringing out Mr. Hooda's hypocrisy. If dead need not be bothered than , Yash also should have had that privilege.

With this, I rest my case.



Fabulous points... .. u shud include dese in d main post.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Literally the only sensible post of the forum. Agree with every single point you have made.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: arshi_asya


1. Yash has been proved a murderer of Pooja. AdiYa were released on the very same ground. Sociopath in the sense that man killed someone else's wife only because she asked her money back.

It was a theory presented by Hooda and as plausible as it is, it's still a theory said by a great lawyer in a convincing way. Nevertheless a theory and this is so not a stretch

2. Easy to blame Madhu for every single thing even when she tries so hard to set things right.

Excuse me, ehow exactly has she tried? She in spite of being well aware of her son's indiscretions, made multiple disgusting comments on Zo, multiple times. She practically expects Zoya to grieve her cheater son for the rest of her life and is clearly against of Zoya moving on and making a life for herself.

Madhu had a lot about AdiYa & she would have stripped both of their honor & proved that AdiYa indeed were having an affair just like Mahi & her statement would have been much more credible in the court. It was too easy for her to stand for prosecution side. She accepted Yash being infidel but proving that he murdered someone is too much.

After she heard AdiYa talking about how they can drag Mahi and expose the REAL TRUTH. Who is to say she didn't do that to soothe that fire and save her daughter? Why is it so tough to see a woman in bad light who has blamed a woman for her man's infidelity on multiple occasions, allows her daughter to abuse her daughter in law in plain sight? What does she has against AdiYa? The proof that they are having an affair? A young widow trying to move on with her life and fall in love again is a sin in that woman's eyes and here she is expected to be worshiped because she showed what, 1% decency in some matters, which she did not out of goodness of her heart but to prevent her hands from getting dirty. I am sorry but I can't get behind this.


3. Aditya is still not done with Yash blame rant. He slept with his wife and stole his money, why should he? While Zo is done with defending Yash's cheating. Yes accepting abuse as your fate is the bravest thing ever invented.She isn't defending Yash's cheating. She just stated that they were having an affair & it need to be accepted rather than continuing the blame game. And how it it that Madhu should be blamed.

I will give you reasons:-

1. She was blind enough to let it happen under her nose and when truth came out she did her best to defend the culprit and blame the victim

2. s**t shamed the said victim multiple times for the similar things she defended her son for

3. Expected encouraged and shamed a victim of cheating who presumably is trying to move on

4. Allows and accepts emotional, verbal and PHYSICAL abuse on that same victim by her another child

As Wasim said apple didn't fall far from tree in this case

She didn't ask Yash to cheat or even encourage him. Cheating was all on Yash-Pooja. Children do mistakes despite knowing the consequences & yet parents should be blamed. Wahh. No I blame parents who ignore their own children's misdeeds and demonize other people children.
Why should Madhu be blamed when Adi himself stood against Sakshi being blamed for Pooja's cheating. Sakshi wouldn't have s**t shamed Adi if she saw him with other girl

But no Adi went a step further by creating havoc in Madhu's house That was a mistake on Adi's part I agree while Zoya had been nothing but respectful towards Pooja till date. She shouldn't have but blaming Pooja will yeild some blame on her pavitra pawan mummy jee's pavitra pawan Yash.That's hypocrisy on Adi's part. How? First of all Adi has hated both Yash and Pooja. Second he hasn't caled them anything other than cheaters which they were. Zo went as far as calling Pooja prostitute. I may say anything about your dead spouse but you shouldn't cross the line. Sadly human nature doesn't work that way. Equal & opposite reaction is a law in itself. The reaction was opposite but definitely not equal



4. Men is judged by his mental capacity & professional credibility & woman by her character in almost every single world society. Ah right! 😉 The famous "men are so superior and thus they are judged by their skills and excellence but woman the inferiors have nothing but the shared privacy of their private parts" Good. I should have known. My fault. Here I thought the professional competence can be used a standard unit in this debate because as far as I know women have them. But thanks for reminding me we only have our well for lack of better word "virtue". Next I see a news of a woman getting raped, I will know that's equivalent to a bad day at work. So, if Pooja was to be framed than the question on her character was definite thing. Even though unacceptable, it is existent still today. Yeah every thing that exist is justified who cares about right and wrong Accept it or not but the equation even today unfortunately is Man's incompetence=Woman's character. Absolutely right! Take that feminists 🤣 what were you thinking try to change the world
If Adi was questioned about his incompetence, it would have created a same impact in his mind as Zoya Call me a foolish dreamer but I would like to believe, until proven otherwise that Adi is different type of man for being proved an incompetent wife & characterless woman. Honesty is required from both sides, if Yash thought it's better to take loans and stuff instead of confiding in his legally married wife then it's not entirely Zo's fault. After all she did was to trust him to share things if it went wrong. She could have been more suspicious, I will give you that but not telling her is entirely Yash's choice. Some things, work differently for man & woman. Yes it does, we call it misogyny.

5. Adultery charge that Mr. hooda mentioned are biased in India. A husband can drag his wife & her lover to court on the adultery charges but a woman can't do it under Section 497 in IPC. Yeah

Actually it's the other way around. Men are punished not women. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adultery_law_in_India 🤣

6. If Yash was to take down someone with him in his loserdom, then why not Zoya. Pooja was DIl of mighty Hooda's. She was no ordinary woman. Sure possible, but Zoya will have to be a loser of Yash Arora's magnitude and I am kinda rooting against it 😉

6. This whole case was poorly fought. One day for prosecution & other for the defense & bam, there is the verdict & case is closed. Cases are not closed on speculations but on final judgement. Prosecution has so much to explore in Day 2, but the show has to be dragged, so anything they do is acceptable. Very poorly written court case for a show that is originally based on double-murder mystery. This one I agree with

7. The day Adi comes to know of Pooja being pregnant. Even he would be questioning Pooja's credibility in the very same way. Questioning it to the fact, who was she pregnant with. First we don't know about that. We will cross that bridge when we get there. If Adi crosses the line he will be called out too, rest assured. Third I would like to point out Adi is not the scenario's moral compass. No way in hell this is a Adi Vs Zoya thing. So Adi doing wrong is not an excuse for Zoya and Zoya doing wrong is not an excuse for Adi. And I haven't used that as an excuse either to justify or vilify any character , to best of my knowledge. If you have seen it kindly point it out. If not then kindly do not use it as an excuse

8. Zoya said- "They loved each other. They were with each other. And Adi knows it." How exactly is she in denial is beyond me. Zoya didn't defend Yash cheating but she did defend the murder charges. She is in denial because she has a misplaced sense of responsibility towards Aroras. She actually called onto both for the case not just one person. She actually didn't. Not once PooSh were no children. They had mutual consent when having an Why would Pooja give 5 crores to someone without proper paerwork & that to a man she just met if she wanted to be all professional. But no, she gave loan on confidence as she believed she wouldn't be paid back. and Pooja was a jerk to do that. She has no right to take that money she technically had a right to by marriage while making the mockery of the said marriage. But that doesn't erase the fact that Yash took that money from her and many other people including Zoya's Dad

9. Besides, Yash being clinically depressed doesn't mean he would commit suicide. It's just a speculation. So, Yash committed suicide was a speculation as well but Mr. Hooda used it to mark him as a murderer. I have seen clinically depressed cases & if they somehow die in that phase doesn't mean they committed suicide. It could have been an accident as well. As I said it was a theory presented by Hooda that seemed plausible.

10. Just because Pooja didn't sign divorce papers doesn't mean she didn't intend to, otherwise why would you even want divorce papers to be made. Atleast Zo had a closure because Yash signed papers. Adi didn't even have that privilege. So, Adi is likely to hang in that for a long time. How is this relevant in this debate?

11. The original case needs to be reopened to explore the whole mystery. This murder is the main plot of the show. Adiya being together in this journey is secondary. Debatable.

So, Zoya wasn't entirely wrong in bringing out Mr. Hooda's hypocrisy. If dead need not be bothered than , Yash also should have had that privilege. Hooda is most definitely a shady hypocrite but Zoya's case is not strong in this case because there are other than hypocritical reasons to blame Yash and the fact she can't see that and drowing herself in guilt for her mummy jee, not standing upto Mahi while yelling at Adi shows extensive lack of character growth which is my issue with this situation

With this, I rest my case.

Well I rested mine after you said that man's incompetence=woman's virtue but I thought I would humor you 😉 Good night 😉




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Posted: 7 years ago
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Edited by arshi_asya - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: silky_harshad



My answers in blue, your points are highlighted in red😉


@pink: I think the prostitute term is completely applicable in this situation. If Yash was proved clinically depressed, a bad businessman and bad husband based on his financial situation, then considering pooja cheated on her husband and had an affair, she could very well have been called characterless. The woman forgot her vows and slept with someone else for gods sake. Zoyas point was that a few bad investments and loan taking did not make Yash what HH made him out to be, just like one affair did not make Pooja a wh**e. And the fact that HH proved that hurt Madhu and Zoya. Just like if some other lawyer had decided to prove Pooja a wh**e to free Adi,then Adi and Sakshi would also have also been shattered.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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She's still a hypocrite.
She can make valid points all she wants, but until she stops being a hypocrite (i.e. stop being Mahi's doormat and give it back to her), her 'valid' points are rendered void.

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