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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: shruthiravi

😃 here Iam now...

Hammie let me come to the concept of change direction. Now what is this. In Physics there are three laws of motion, first law states every body continues to be in a state of rest or uniform motion unless acted upon by an external force. Second law tells the force needed to change the direction is equal to the mass of the body and acceleration F=MA goes the equation. Third law every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
Third law is easy to be drawn to law of Karma. What you sow, you reap. What about the first two laws.
great comment... change is inevitable and all living things grow through.. life to me is about we receive and cope with change.. the cosmos itself determines both change and a set way
Let us assume we are not reaching our goal. What does that mean. That emotional pain is the external pain that tells you something is not right. But you dont understand it and continue to do the same thing with same result. Pain increases, disappointment increases , some people try different method, ie change of direction. The force required to change your direction is directly proportional to your set beliefs. Stronger perception and judgement you have greater emotional pain.
yes true Shruthi.. ones belief, mindset determines how we live our lives.. what decisions and directions we choose..one's creed if one has one, helps one in seeking the right direction..
But the question is will we get things if we change direction. Answer is yes. But before that we have to pay for all our old karma. Many people give up during this time as they think the dark phase means nothing is change. It is not true. We need to know the darkest hour is just before sunrise, so if things are really bad that means the new dawn is coming. Just hold on with your new thought process.
not just our own karma.. but some belief in atoning for the sins of their forefathers...
This is illustrated in the battle of 13 day in Mahabharatha. Arjuna is sent to other side of the battle field while Drona makes Chakravyuha thinking without Arjun it cannot be broken. But Abhi enters it, breaks it and dies valliatantly and that death changes the battle. Abhi's death was the culmination of whatever mistakes Arjun had committed in the past where he had not changed direction. Post that loss Arjun fights the battle with his heart and Pandavas emerge victorious. Actually Krishna knowingly takes Arjuna to the other side because that pain was necessary for him to see the truth. To understand the need to fight the battle. He was hesitant to fight thinking my teacher, my brothers but none on day 13 thought it was 16yr old boy Arjun's son. They only saw an enemy and killed him cold bloodedly for their victory.
the Battle in MB comes vaguely to my mind.. and yes I do believe that one has to cross the sea of fire to recognize the truth. about ourselves . only through suffering we learn about stamina, perseverance... we see Adi and zoya.. going through these stages.. thanks mate for sharing some more pertinent thoughts... 😃 hammie... aaj tu adi roza khole ga with the traditional date..

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Posted: 7 years ago
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ok! cheeku!!😛 me in reverse gear now .vrooomm!
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: dreamy.tiara

Dear Hammie,
braked!😛... and parked

Wonderful post. 👏
erhhh Tia if you ask me ,was heavy going... me was like walking on egg shells
Ideally, there should not be any conflict between law and creed, if one assumes that truth has only one pure form. But, like everything else, truth too is multidimensional; its form changes when the lens changes...hence the conflict. If we assume that RV has no ulterior motive and is an honest, hardworking CBI officer on duty (whether it is true or not will be revealed in time) then both RV and Wasim were right and spoke the truth when they found Zoya praying in that house.
👏... how true... and well said.. how people interpret the truth is subjectve
Law and religion function differently. Unlike religion, law doesn't take into account morality or internally known truths, but only proofs that paint a picture, preferably of truth. These proofs may only be few snapshots of reality that may be fitted anywhere in the huge jigsaw puzzle, without giving a true larger picture.
mind you Tia... legislation sets the standards encompassing creed directives too..where ever possible e,g British law is reflective of strands of Christianity ..since its a Christian country.. even our school terms are set in accordance of the Christian calendar.. although provision is made for diversity too..
The scene depicting Zoya giving hope to Adi is very moving. Especially since Adi's wounded hand is almost healed while Zoya was still limping in pain with her newly dressed feet. It remains to be seen if AdiYa are able to prove their innocence.
yes... the theme of connected through pain continues.between the two.. yes me looking forward to their struggle in proving their innocence ..
Looking forward to your next post. 🤗
thanks Tia... much love hammie...
- tia

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Posted: 7 years ago
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HAMMIE.. law vs creed!! superb title & as always a brilliant thought process u shared with us..

generally we dun like to see ANYONE come in btw the law of land,, bt as we kno Zoya & Aditya both are innocent & thus we are cheering wat waseem alim is doing rn though he might get a warning fr the same if he was doing it for some criminal.. i do believe ths religious angle wasn't needed in bepannah,, i dun trust ITV at all in ths matter,,😉 bt yea as u said they might wanna show us the beauty of ths mnth via ths angle... 😳

i liked the episode fr the fact tat hw thruout,, Zoya was being a guiding light for Adi & he was completely awstruck by her!!😳

thnk u so much Hammie fr writing fr ths great show which so much dedication,, ur rocking it,, luv & hugs!!
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Posted: 7 years ago
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@Green: Pardon me Hammie, I should have explained myself more clearly. Of course, your argument is valid. Residing in a secular country, I observe how everyday each religion and its festivals are revered by law. There are also different marriage acts sensitive to different religion; Special Marriage Act to accommodate inter-religion marriages. This is just an example of how law can be sensitive to religion.

But that was not my point. I was talking about pursuit for truth, how law and religion would pursue truth differently, and hence leading to different consequences. For example, in a simple case of theft, the thief knows that he has stolen and this knowledge would be enough to be punished by God. However, law would look for witnesses and proofs to establish that the man has indeed stolen. Now, suppose the man is being framed with fake witnesses and proofs or with real proofs but distorted POVs and explanation (eg. in AdiYa's case, their pictures). Then also law would end up punishing the man for theft if he cannot prove his innocence in the eyes of law. However, God would know that the man is innocent and is getting framed, God would not deliver punishment to this man in his court.

Basically, the fact that Lady Justice is blind and God is omnipresent has some serious implications in pursuit for truth.



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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: dreamy.tiara

hellooo Tia...😃 only just logged in not long ago!!
@Green: Pardon me Hammie, I should have explained myself more clearly. Of course, your argument is valid. Residing in a secular country, I observe how everyday each religion and its festivals are revered by law. There are also different marriage acts sensitive to different religion; Special Marriage Act to accommodate inter-religion marriages. This is just an example of how law can be sensitive to religion.
sure...and its all the more complicated with regards to divorce too... I reckon, marriage.. divorce are taken as serious issues with far reaching effects on other family members are involved like.. children.. laws around marriage divorce are indeed made stringent.. so people avoid treating it lightly.and you are so correct.. that in some countries one has to treat such cases sensitively..
But that was not my point. I was talking about pursuit for truth, how law and religion would pursue truth differently, and hence leading to different consequences. For example, in a simple case of theft, the thief knows that he has stolen and this knowledge would be enough to be punished by God. However, law would look for witnesses and proofs to establish that the man has indeed stolen. Now, suppose the man is being framed with fake witnesses and proofs or with real proofs but distorted POVs and explanation (eg. in AdiYa's case, their pictures). Then also law would end up punishing the man for theft if he cannot prove his innocence in the eyes of law. However, God would know that the man is innocent and is getting framed, God would not deliver punishment to this man in his court.
well argued point... law looks for plausible evidence, I agree about god knows the truth.. that's where the conscience element comes into play .. the innocent ones in this Adi and Zoya know they are innocent.. they are being framed. how they fight against injustice against themselves will be unfolded.. but till then their conscience remains clear.. yes god cannot provide evidence to clear their names... but god/ fate can provide ways ..means.. that's what Zoya and Adi's faith is? belief in unseen justice? so long as they know in their hearts and minds they are not guilty. now its the Hoodas defence that will provide the evidence..
Basically, the fact that Lady Justice is blind and God is omnipresent has some serious implications in pursuit for truth.
that is true... search for truth is far from easy.. as somethings are beyond mortal perception.. however the quest for proving their truth continues with Adi and Zoya...
thanks for a thought provoking discussion... much love hammie
# check the new post..😛 Adil mian and Begum jaan..


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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: NusiSg

helooo nusi..😃 good to see you...
HAMMIE.. law vs creed!! superb title & as always a brilliant thought process u shared with us..
it was a tough one to get my head around though... you know some of my mates are Greek young upcoming lawyers
generally we dun like to see ANYONE come in btw the law of land,, bt as we kno Zoya & Aditya both are innocent & thus we are cheering wat waseem alim is doing rn though he might get a warning fr the same if he was doing it for some criminal.. i do believe ths religious angle wasn't needed in bepannah,, i dun trust ITV at all in ths matter,,😉 bt yea as u said they might wanna show us the beauty of ths mnth via ths angle... 😳
yes Nusi... the truth is the diverse faith communities reside side by side.. in India..this coverage can only celebrate living in harmony. next celebration will be Eid!!😃 . faith festivals are great theme often used by ITV.. I remember how much I enjoyed the celebration of Ganpati utsav in Laagi thuhjse lagan... its imprinted in my memory!! how the lead Naku called out to Bappa...
i liked the episode fr the fact tat hw thruout,, Zoya was being a guiding light for Adi & he was completely awstruck by her!!😳
Adi takes part in Iftari in the next episode.. do check it please..
thnk u so much Hammie fr writing fr ths great show which so much dedication,, ur rocking it,, luv & hugs!!
many thanks for reading and sharing your thoughts... much love hammie

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