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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: ritzy2ritz

1. Saagar decides to separate from Vidya on Sindoora's insistence that them being together will keep them both unhappy. Saagar also sees Vidya crying and hurt as much as himself. Do you think that Saagar's reason to separate is completely selfish? Or does he really believe that since Vidya and him are two different people they will be happier apart? Does he do it for Vidya's happiness too, or does he care only for his freedom and happiness? Or does he have a different motive altogether?

Great question, personally, i think that saagars faisla was not selfish at all , although ppl might claim that he was selfish. He has carefully taken Vidyas condition and his and has carefully decided that they are not made for each other as he claims... kahan voh ek bada businessman aur kahan yeh ek anpad... but what is bothering me is that b4 he came to know that V is illiterate , he seemed completely fine with her , however afterwards, he changed his mind...now my point is that does being illiterate have such an impact to a relationship as opposed to love?

Do you think it would have been a problem if not propogated by Sindoora as uncivilized? She falsely propogates Vidya's action. I agree that he doess seem more affected by her illiteracy, but Maybe because he feels that what common ground they had also doesn't exist between them. Just a thought.



2. In the night scene they show Saagar hesitantly comforting Vidya. What do you think Saagar feels at that moment? Do you think what happened between Saagar & Vidya was a moment of lust on Saagar's part? Or love on Saagar's part? Or possibly both?

That moment which we SVians cherish till date was , in my opinion , compared to the sun's strength draining from the sky during sunset, as for saaagrs part, it might seem to be a bit confusing but i believe he comforted her whether by love or lust , it was not by pity . he was really touched by her words (as he always is) therefore, found a nice way to comfort her

I agree there was no pity on his part.



3. The scene doesn't show Saagar kissing Vidya like we all wanted to happen. Does this mean that what between Saagar and Vidya was more an emotional connection rather than an act of love? Or both? Does It imply different things to Vidya, and different to Saagar? Or Same to both?

I have no idea...this question is a real brain teaser, kudos to u wafah ji!! i think it was more of an emotional bonding period rather than physical where 2 souls undertood each others love and fourmulated an emotional connection

I agree it felt more like an emotional understanding...even though they came close physically in the literal sense.😊

4. When Saagar gets up he looks at Vidya and smiles, and is truly happy till the implication of what happened strikes him. He feels that what happened between them is a mistake, and blames himself continuously. Do you think blames himself for leading Vidya on, because he knows that she loves him? Or do you think he blames himself for not having any control over his emotions? Or both? Or do you think Saagar is confused and doesn't now what to feel?

actually, i think he feels confused, trapped, and just all over the place, he smiles because of her innocense , purity and truthfulness anf naiveity ... and he is droned in the tide of guilt when he remembers the night where he confessed his love or whatever u want to call it to her ..what really is wandering in my brain is that is this love or responsibllity towards a relationship?

I think he does feel responsible for forcing their relationship, I don't think it is entirely love...and that Saagar is about as confused as we are on his emotions😉


5. Saagar tells Vidya that he isn't as good as her, that she has no faults in her, and that he could never be as good as her. The reason he wants to separate is because they are just do not have any compatibility. He feels that the person Vidya loved was a different person, whereas Vidya feels that even though he has changed in thoughts, and demeanor, he is the same person she fell in love with. Do you think Saagar's feelings are valid? That trying to make a relationship work that is bound to fail is not fair to Vidya or Saagar? Or do you think Vidya's feelings are valid? Or are both right from their point of view?
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It is not fair to both of them . i do give saaagr props for giving the relationship a chance...but how long did he allow it to have a chance, as far as i know ...there was nothing between them ,, except that promo stuff ...i agree with Vidyas thoughts abt a person changing but she obviously should not rely or her theory to the extent that it gets her in deep trauma.

It is hard to say...and while Vidya suffers the most it is hard to blame either one for their condition...except maybe Sindoora...😆

i enjoyed answering those questions wafah! thanks for aiding my boredom! 😳



I'm glad you enjoyed answering the questions...and glad to aid your boredom...I enjoyed reading your responses....

Edited by Wafah - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Oh my Wafah ji thats an amazing post 👏 👏 👏 ...And the questions have me thinking alot! Will answer your questions now.. 😳
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Posted: 18 years ago
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awww wafah thanks for reading my views ...i really appriciate it ..yes, i do think that this would not take place if it wasnt propogated as uncivilized bby sindoora but then again , saagar would come to know sooner or later by hook or by crook or sindoora
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: Wafah

It was just a moment, in which two broken people sought each other. Vidya, because she has been forgotten by the one person she loves. Saagar, because he's lost two years of his life, and tied in a marriage he doesn't find compatible.

Saagar's problem seems less dire and heartbreaking than Vidya's, I agree. Vidya has sacrificed two years of her life living with someone, who was claimed mad by the world.

I've read multiple posts, many of them angry at Saagar's behavior for having used Vidya, and calling what happened between them a mistake. I have a few thoughts regarding the matter but I'm going to ask you guys a few questions first.

I know this might seem a little redundant, but I'd love to see your responses, and hope you will take the time to respond (if it isn't a bother).

1. Saagar decides to separate from Vidya on Sindoora's insistence that them being together will keep them both unhappy. Saagar also sees Vidya crying and hurt as much as himself. Do you think that Saagar's reason to separate is completely selfish? Or does he really believe that since Vidya and him are two different people they will be happier apart? Does he do it for Vidya's happiness too, or does he care only for his freedom and happiness? Or does he have a different motive altogether? Umm u have actually made me think 😆😆. Umm I dunno what Sagaar is doing, I don't think he understands WHY Vidya is cryong all the time. And coz he hasn't bothered to take the time and find out y, I do believe he is being selfish. And I feel he is doing it jsut for himself, not once caring for Vidya.

2. In the night scene they show Saagar hesitantly comforting Vidya. What do you think Saagar feels at that moment? Do you think what happened between Saagar & Vidya was a moment of lust on Saagar's part? Or love on Saagar's part? Or possibly both? umm all I know is that Sagaar was in his senses when doing what he did, therefore I can't understand y he calls it a mistake. Umm well I think it was a slight bit of both. I do feel that Sagaar used her and took advantage of her.

3. The scene doesn't show Saagar kissing Vidya like we all wanted to happen. Does this mean that what between Saagar and Vidya was more an emotional connection rather than an act of love? Or both? Does It imply different things to Vidya, and different to Saagar? Or Same to both? Well I dunno if it was even an emotional connection, I think what happened was just physical, I don't think for one second Sagaar thought about Vidya. He should have known what this woukld have meant to her, and if he didn't feel the same way, she should never have done it. I think this night meant a lot more to Vidya than sagaar. It was almost like been there, done that, bought the T-shirt to Sagaar

4. When Saagar gets up he looks at Vidya and smiles, and is truly happy till the implication of what happened strikes him. He feels that what happened between them is a mistake, and blames himself continuously. Do you think blames himself for leading Vidya on, because he knows that she loves him? Or do you think he blames himself for not having any control over his emotions? Or both? Or do you think Saagar is confused and doesn't now what to feel? Quite frankly, I am ashamed Sagaar is a man, he has behaved like a jerk. I can't be,lieve he called it a mistake, there could have been other words he could have used, but to call it a mistake, broke Vidya's heart. I don't think he balmes himself, the only thing he cares about is that Vidya doesn't fit into his big lifestyle and therefore it doesn't matter if she is upset

5. Saagar tells Vidya that he isn't as good as her, that she has no faults in her, and that he could never be as good as her. The reason he wants to separate is because they are just do not have any compatibility. He feels that the person Vidya loved was a different person, whereas Vidya feels that even though he has changed in thoughts, and demeanor, he is the same person she fell in love with. Do you think Saagar's feelings are valid? That trying to make a relationship work that is bound to fail is not fair to Vidya or Saagar? Or do you think Vidya's feelings are valid? Or are both right from their point of view? Well u could say some of Sagaar's feelings are valid, BUT I don't think he cares for Vidya at all, the way he has treated has been disgusting. Well I donn;t think he even tried to make the realtionship work, he didn't stand up for her at that party, and now he called their first time a mistake

6. Saagar tells Vidya it will be wrong for her to change because then she isn't being true to herself. Is it wrong for Vidya to want to change herself? Becoming educated is different than giving up your tradition and values. Is it really hard for two people with different set of values to form a relationship? Or once you love someone you can compromise some of your values? Do you think Saagar will meet Vidya halfway? Well I agree, Vidya shouldn't have to change for Sagaar, he should b doing all the changing, coz quite frankly he isn't a nice person

I know there are a lot of questions, and I hate to be a bother, but I hope you take the time to answer them… Wafah, what a great post, u got me relaly thinking. U were not a bother, just hope u all like my opinions 😳

Thanks,

Wafah

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Posted: 18 years ago
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1. Saagar decides to separate from Vidya on Sindoora's insistence that them being together will keep them both unhappy. Saagar also sees Vidya crying and hurt as much as himself. Do you think that Saagar's reason to separate is completely selfish? Or does he really believe that since Vidya and him are two different people they will be happier apart? Does he do it for Vidya's happiness too, or does he care only for his freedom and happiness? Or does he have a different motive altogether? I dont think his intentions are selfish at all.... see, i'm sure, if what had happened to Sagar had happened to anyone, they would feel strange and upset that they're married to someone whom they don't know. I think right now, he's still upset and shocked that he's married to someone completely different from him, and fact that she loves him so much... i'm not sure how much he's thinking of V's happiness, but i think more than anything, he wants to be alone.. and let this all sink in his mind...

2. In the night scene they show Saagar hesitantly comforting Vidya. What do you think Saagar feels at that moment? Do you think what happened between Saagar & Vidya was a moment of lust on Saagar's part? Or love on Saagar's part? Or possibly both?

3. The scene doesn't show Saagar kissing Vidya like we all wanted to happen. Does this mean that what between Saagar and Vidya was more an emotional connection rather than an act of love? Or both? Does It imply different things to Vidya, and different to Saagar? Or Same to both?

4. When Saagar gets up he looks at Vidya and smiles, and is truly happy till the implication of what happened strikes him. He feels that what happened between them is a mistake, and blames himself continuously. Do you think blames himself for leading Vidya on, because he knows that she loves him? Or do you think he blames himself for not having any control over his emotions? Or both? Or do you think Saagar is confused and doesn't now what to feel?

5. Saagar tells Vidya that he isn't as good as her, that she has no faults in her, and that he could never be as good as her. The reason he wants to separate is because they are just do not have any compatibility. He feels that the person Vidya loved was a different person, whereas Vidya feels that even though he has changed in thoughts, and demeanor, he is the same person she fell in love with. Do you think Saagar's feelings are valid? That trying to make a relationship work that is bound to fail is not fair to Vidya or Saagar? Or do you think Vidya's feelings are valid? Or are both right from their point of view?

6. Saagar tells Vidya it will be wrong for her to change because then she isn't being true to herself. Is it wrong for Vidya to want to change herself? Becoming educated is different than giving up your tradition and values. Is it really hard for two people with different set of values to form a relationship? Or once you love someone you can compromise some of your values? Do you think Saagar will meet Vidya halfway?

More later, I'll finish this....

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Originally posted by: Wafah

It was just a moment, in which two broken people sought each other. Vidya, because she has been forgotten by the one person she loves. Saagar, because he's lost two years of his life, and tied in a marriage he doesn't find compatible.

Saagar's problem seems less dire and heartbreaking than Vidya's, I agree. Vidya has sacrificed two years of her life living with someone, who was claimed mad by the world.

I've read multiple posts, many of them angry at Saagar's behavior for having used Vidya, and calling what happened between them a mistake. I have a few thoughts regarding the matter but I'm going to ask you guys a few questions first.

I know this might seem a little redundant, but I'd love to see your responses, and hope you will take the time to respond (if it isn't a bother). WOW!!! Wafah di!!!! You have got my brain working after a loooong time!!!(Summer vacation..you know...lazing around!) Infact i would like to thank you for this cuz i finnaly get to share my views and know about those of others.

1. Saagar decides to separate from Vidya on Sindoora's insistence that them being together will keep them both unhappy. Saagar also sees Vidya crying and hurt as much as himself. Do you think that Saagar's reason to separate is completely selfish? Or does he really believe that since Vidya and him are two different people they will be happier apart? Does he do it for Vidya's happiness too, or does he care only for his freedom and happiness? Or does he have a different motive altogether?

I honestly think that the reason Sagar is wanting a separation is that Sindoora is brainwashing him. He has just found out that Vidya is his wife, sh'e illiterate, and on top of that there's Sindoora always on his back telling him all these bad things about Vidya and how she is so traditional. I think right now, everyone should give him his space and let him breath. The fact that he's married to Vidya might have not sunk in completely and he needs time to adjust and realize all his responsibilities. He knows that Vidya is an entirely different person and therefore it might be best that they apart. He might be thinking that rather than fighting all the time in the future, it would be more peaceful for the both of them to go their own ways. However...it is possible that he doesn't want to be embarrased by her in front of others and for his own reputation they shouldn't stay together.

2. In the night scene they show Saagar hesitantly comforting Vidya. What do you think Saagar feels at that moment? Do you think what happened between Saagar & Vidya was a moment of lust on Saagar's part? Or love on Saagar's part? Or possibly both?

At that point in time, I think Sagar felt helpless. After observing Sagar, i have noticed that he can't see people crying. When he sees people crying, he becomes soft and acts more comforting with them. At that moment, he saw Vidya so happy and all of a sudden, she broke down. He couldn't tollerate that and started becoming more emotional towards her just that once, because that was when he became weak. As for what happened between SV, i'm not sure if Sagar did what he did just to satisfy himself by using her or because he really wanted to come closer to Vidya.

3. The scene doesn't show Saagar kissing Vidya like we all wanted to happen. Does this mean that what happened between Saagar and Vidya was more an emotional connection rather than an act of love? Or both? Does It imply different things to Vidya, and different to Saagar? Or Same to both?

I think what happened between Sagar and Vidya was more an emotional connection that led to the physical connection. When Vidya cried, Sagar all of a sudden became very weak and somehow sympathized her. He might have gotten physical with her because he felt bad that she was upset and had become emotional, and to make her happy for a while he came closer to her. I think this act meant a lot to both Sagar and Vidya. For Vidya it was the first time in her life that she had been accepted by her dulha as his bride and it was surely a night for her that she'd remember. For Sagar too it would have impacted him a lot in his heart however he is in denial about falling for her. Sagar was happy when he and Vidya were together at that time, but after it hit him that he had actually been so intimate with Vidya, Sindoora's messages were brainwashing him again and he started saying that what happened was a mistake, just to make himself fell better and less guilty. We know that Sagar loves his sister genuinly so he's now feeling bad that he disobayed her in a way and didn't complete his task of telling Vidya that the reason he brought her here was because he wanted to tell her that they can't live together anymore.

4. When Saagar gets up he looks at Vidya and smiles, and is truly happy till the implication of what happened strikes him. He feels that what happened between them is a mistake, and blames himself continuously. Do you think blames himself for leading Vidya on, because he knows that she loves him? Or do you think he blames himself for not having any control over his emotions? Or both? Or do you think Saagar is confused and doesn't now what to feel?

Sagar blames himself for not having control over his emotions especially after he sees Vidya crying. Right now he needs time to think about everything going on in his life and sort things out. He doesn't know how exactly he's feeling because his heart is telling him one thing and one of the most important people in his life, Sindoora is telling him something else. He agrees with things that his sister is talking to him a bout but he has mixed feelings about Vidya especailly after their night together.

5. Saagar tells Vidya that he isn't as good as her, that she has no faults in her, and that he could never be as good as her. The reason he wants to separate is because they are just do not have any compatibility. He feels that the person Vidya loved was a different person, whereas Vidya feels that even though he has changed in thoughts, and demeanor, he is the same person she fell in love with. Do you think Saagar's feelings are valid? That trying to make a relationship work that is bound to fail is not fair to Vidya or Saagar? Or do you think Vidya's feelings are valid? Or are both right from their point of view?

Sagar's point of view is partially correct. He has mixed feelings about Vidya and is gradually starting to like her, however he's not following what his heart tells him to do and instead he's looking up to what Sindoora has to say. Vidya is genuinly loving Sagar no matter what he has done to her he is still like God for her. I think she's entirely correct.

6. Saagar tells Vidya it will be wrong for her to change because then she isn't being true to herself. Is it wrong for Vidya to want to change herself? Becoming educated is different than giving up your tradition and values. Is it really hard for two people with different set of values to form a relationship? Or once you love someone you can compromise some of your values? Do you think Saagar will meet Vidya halfway?

Sagart is right that Vidya shouldn't change because she will not be true to herself, however...in marriages, both sides have to compromise and adjust to one another. Vidya will have to change at least a little to satisfy Sagar and Sagar willl have to change and be more open minded and less stubborn in changing his mannerisms and personality. Vidya can become educated and she will but that doesn't mean she'll have to give up her tradtions. As for Sagar meeting Vidya halfway...I can't say anything right now. Depends on how the storyline will go.

I know there are a lot of questions, and I hate to be a bother, but I hope you take the time to answer them…

Yippee!! I Finally got to understand how i think about the storline. I do have mixed feelings but at least i could let it out! You were not a bother one bit Wafah ji. Thanks for the AMAZING question and I hope i've not gotten too carried away!!

Thanks,

Wafah

Actually thank you!! Hope you have a nice day.

Take care,

Priya.

Edited by *Sagar & Vidya* - 18 years ago
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Ok so wafah...luvv ur post...u knw some of these questions had crossed my mind....and i wanted to post a topic also..but didnt knw where to start..but u made it sooo much easier.... ok so now ill answer these frm my POV...and once again...thanx soo much for starting this amazing topic...ohh and...im sry if my answers are a lil biased towards saagar..par kya karu....i thought ki there are soo many ppl supporting vidya ill support saagar.....😳😳...ok ok i knw lame excuse...but u knw wht i mean na...😳 alrighty thn...here it goesss...

Originally posted by: Wafah

It was just a moment, in which two broken people sought each other. Vidya, because she has been forgotten by the one person she loves. Saagar, because hes lost two years of his life, and tied in a marriage he doesnt find compatible.

Saagars problem seems less dire and heartbreaking than Vidyas, I agree. Vidya has sacrificed two years of her life living with someone, who was claimed mad by the world.

Ive read multiple posts, many of them angry at Saagars behavior for having used Vidya, and calling what happened between them a mistake. I have a few thoughts regarding the matter but Im going to ask you guys a few questions first.

I know this might seem a little redundant, but I'd love to see your responses, and hope you will take the time to respond (if it isnt a bother). its never a bother when it comes to BMTD....u knw tht...😛

1. Saagar decides to separate from Vidya on Sindooras insistence that them being together will keep them both unhappy. Saagar also sees Vidya crying and hurt as much as himself. Do you think that Saagars reason to separate is completely selfish? i dont think he's being selfish in any way....he wants both their happiness...he's seen vidya cry all the time..and he knws tht he's the reasonfor her tears somewhere....so he thinks she's not happy with the "new" saagar...cause the one she knew and loved was different... Or does he really believe that since Vidya and him are two different people they will be happier apart?yes he believes tht him and vidya come frm two different backgrounds...and tht neither one should change the other for anything.....he doesnt want vidya to change her ways for his happiness.... Does he do it for Vidyas happiness too, or does he care only for his freedom and happiness? if he was tht much selfish...thn he wouldve left vidya in tht house after the big night...he wouldve told her everything tht very day....but remained silent....and the only reason he said something cause vidya questioned him...thnx to sindoora...😡 Or does he have a different motive altogether? nope..no other motives...

2. In the night scene they show Saagar hesitantly comforting Vidya. What do you think Saagar feels at that moment? luv...thts wht he felt at tht moment....tht luv which is deep down and hasnt surfaced yet...shows in his unintentional actions at times...😊Do you think what happened between Saagar & Vidya was a moment of lust on Saagars part? Or love on Saagars part? Or possibly both? definetly not lustt...can never be...it was definetly luv....and this will be seen in the story line very soon...

3. The scene doesnt show Saagar kissing Vidya like we all wanted to happen. Does this mean that what between Saagar and Vidya was more an emotional connection rather than an act of love? Or both? It was emotional as well as luv...whr there is luv...emotions are involved...and tht moment was very emotional and both their luv was overflowing in different ways....guilt for saagar..for hurting her soo much and guilt for vidya....for stealin his smile... Does It imply different things to Vidya, and different to Saagar? Or Same to both? it implies the same thing for both....but they are both interpreting it in diff ways...the only reason saagar says its a mistake bcs he doesnt want vidya to think he luvs her...cause thn he cant seperate frm her...and again...somehwere in his heart he still thinks....she'll be happier without him...

4. When Saagar gets up he looks at Vidya and smiles, and is truly happy till the implication of what happened strikes him. He feels that what happened between them is a mistake, and blames himself continuously. Do you think blames himself for leading Vidya on, because he knows that she loves him? he luvs her....but he feels guilty for the fact tht he lead her on...whn he knws tht their relationship might not even work out....he knws she'll adjust but doesnt knw if he can be as nice as her and do the same.. Or do you think he blames himself for not having any control over his emotions? Or both? Or do you think Saagar is confused and doesnt now what to feel? exactly...he's a lil confused at the moment....cause he luvs her..but doesnt understand it yet....so time will fix all....

5. Saagar tells Vidya that he isnt as good as her, that she has no faults in her, and that he could never be as good as her. The reason he wants to separate is because they are just do not have any compatibility. He feels that the person Vidya loved was a different person, whereas Vidya feels that even though he has changed in thoughts, and demeanor, he is the same person she fell in love with. Do you think Saagars feelings are valid? 100% valid...he was a diff person whn he was ill...and he knws tht vidya knew tht old saagar...and not his real self...That trying to make a relationship work that is bound to fail is not fair to Vidya or Saagar? Or do you think Vidyas feelings are valid? Or are both right from their point of view? ok both are right frm their POV....im not sayin vidya is wrong either....but saagar is def not wrong as well....he's just tryin to be fair to both....cause again he thinks tht vidya can be happier without him....thn change herself for him...

6. Saagar tells Vidya it will be wrong for her to change because then she isnt being true to herself. Is it wrong for Vidya to want to change herself? no...not wrong...she luvs him....so anything is fair in luv and war...Becoming educated is different than giving up your tradition and values. Is it really hard for two people with different set of values to form a relationship? yes it is very very difficult...both need to be extremely strong and understanding...one person changin will not make things work..it has to be both.... Or once you love someone you can compromise some of your values? Do you think Saagar will meet Vidya halfway? he will..and he has tried....but every time he tries we have sindoora ruining everythingg....😡...so as soon she's gone....everything will be ok...😊

I know there are a lot of questions, and I hate to be a bother, but I hope you take the time to answer themwafah...its not a bother at all hun...i actually got to put all my feelings fowwards as an answer to ur questions.....its better thn making 10 diff posts and confusing everyone....

Thanks,

Wafah



okkk...so donee...pls tell me wht u think...😊

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1. Saagar decides to separate from Vidya on Sindoora's insistence that them being together will keep them both unhappy. Saagar also sees Vidya crying and hurt as much as himself. Do you think that Saagar's reason to separate is completely selfish? Or does he really believe that since Vidya and him are two different people they will be happier apart? Does he do it for Vidya's happiness too, or does he care only for his freedom and happiness? Or does he have a different motive altogether? I dont think his intentions are selfish at all.... see, i'm sure, if what had happened to Sagar had happened to anyone, they would feel strange and upset that they're married to someone whom they don't know. I think right now, he's still upset and shocked that he's married to someone completely different from him, and fact that she loves him so much... i'm not sure how much he's thinking of V's happiness, but i think more than anything, he wants to be alone.. and let this all sink in his mind...

2. In the night scene they show Saagar hesitantly comforting Vidya. What do you think Saagar feels at that moment? Do you think what happened between Saagar & Vidya was a moment of lust on Saagar's part? Or love on Saagar's part? Or possibly both? I think whatever happens to Sagar when he's with Vidya is not coincidence, he himself knows what he feels when he's with her... whether it's love, or not.😳 I think he wants to try to accept her (?), but something different happens? Whatever happened between them, i definitely don't think it was a mistake... I think (God, i've been saying these two words a lot) that Sagar meant to comfort Vidya and hold her, but maybe was overcome by himself? Ermmm, not sure how to put this into words here... whether it was love, we shall see...

3. The scene doesn't show Saagar kissing Vidya like we all wanted to happen. Does this mean that what between Saagar and Vidya was more an emotional connection rather than an act of love? Or both? Does It imply different things to Vidya, and different to Saagar? Or Same to both? Actually, I'm glad, i thought the scene was just as beautiful, if he ever does hug/kiss her, i want it to be when he completely accepts her and they both know their love for each other... it was very emotional, it was loving, and i think Vidya took it as a sign of acceptance and that Sagar does love her, but Sagar, hmm, i think he felt very bad for Vidya and wanted to comfort her, and couldn't help but feel an attraction....

4. When Saagar gets up he looks at Vidya and smiles, and is truly happy till the implication of what happened strikes him. He feels that what happened between them is a mistake, and blames himself continuously. Do you think blames himself for leading Vidya on, because he knows that she loves him? Or do you think he blames himself for not having any control over his emotions? Or both? Or do you think Saagar is confused and doesn't know what to feel? I think it's all three...😛 It was his choice, but then again he felt bad thinking he led Vidya on, and he's confused... him smiling definitely shows that he knows it wasn't a mistake... but to make an excuse, he's blaming himself. I think he still doesn't or can't believe that someone can love him so much, someone whom he doesn't know well at all...

5. Saagar tells Vidya that he isn't as good as her, that she has no faults in her, and that he could never be as good as her. The reason he wants to separate is because they are just do not have any compatibility. He feels that the person Vidya loved was a different person, whereas Vidya feels that even though he has changed in thoughts, and demeanor, he is the same person she fell in love with. Do you think Saagar's feelings are valid? That trying to make a relationship work that is bound to fail is not fair to Vidya or Saagar? Or do you think Vidya's feelings are valid? Or are both right from their point of view? Both are right - right now, Sagar doesn't think Vidya is compatible for him - one, because she appeared all of a sudden and he was forced to accept her; two, because he really doesn't know her and found out so many things suddenly (her being his wife, illiteracy). Vidya is right, too - just because he's recovered, doesn't change the fact that he's her husband and she will not love him any less... both are right from their point of views, but it's hard to convince each other what they feel...

6. Saagar tells Vidya it will be wrong for her to change because then she isn't being true to herself. Is it wrong for Vidya to want to change herself? Becoming educated is different than giving up your tradition and values. Is it really hard for two people with different set of values to form a relationship? Or once you love someone you can compromise some of your values? Do you think Saagar will meet Vidya halfway? Vidya isn't changing herself, like you said, being educated is much more different than changing who you are; learning something new isn't changing you as a person. Even when Sagar was a child, he knew about Vidya but thought of it differently because he treated Vidya like his best friend - it's not like he accepted her immediately, either. Both did not change themselves when they were together; it can happen now, too...

Forgive me if I didn't make any sense at all😳😆 tried my best, these are great questions Wafah ji... thank you for posting them👏

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Great post and great questions wafah ji!

I won't answer them all separately. Instead, I'll just sum up my thoughts in a few paragraphs 😳

I do think that Sagar's actions aren't completely selfish. True, he might want a chance to make his own decision regarding his life. Marriage is one of the most important phases of a person's life. So his confusion/anger is justified. He had no idea who this woman was and he finds out that he's married to her. He's to share his happiness, his sorrow, everything with a woman he has just met. So his initial anger is most definitely justified.

But once he had made the decision to give this marriage a second chance, he should really GIVE it a second chance. His mind can't keep wavering every other second as he finds out new information about his wife. True, it might not be easy to accept but he SHOULD learn to accept it if he wants to give Vidya a fair chance. And he didn't do that - so mistake # 1 😛

I'll come back and finish my thoughts 😳
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Hey Wafahji, great post yaar!! I'll try to answer but it's 2:00 at night here, so sorry if I don't make any sense!!

1. Saagar decides to separate from Vidya on Sindoora's insistence that them being together will keep them both unhappy. Saagar also sees Vidya crying and hurt as much as himself. Do you think that Saagar's reason to separate is completely selfish? Or does he really believe that since Vidya and him are two different people they will be happier apart? Does he do it for Vidya's happiness too, or does he care only for his freedom and happiness? Or does he have a different motive altogether?

I think at the moment, Sagar has not really understood what Vidya has been trying to say to him...yes he hears it, but he doesn't really listen, if that makes sense. He is too winded up in his own thoughts that he doesn't really look at the situation from Vidya's point of view. I don't think he is only doing it b/c he is selfish...I think he genuinely thinks that by separating, both he and Vidya will be better off. But since he has never understood Vidya, he doesn't see that Vidya will be a mess without him...and he will be a mess without her too!

2. In the night scene they show Saagar hesitantly comforting Vidya. What do you think Saagar feels at that moment? Do you think what happened between Saagar & Vidya was a moment of lust on Saagar's part? Or love on Saagar's part? Or possibly both?

I don't think it has anything to do with lust and it's not love either...I think Sagar was only trying to comfort Vidya and try to tell her that everything is not her fault. And I guess that was the only way he could do that at the moment. Although you could say that he would only do that because he actually cares for her deep down, but right now, that feeling is way too buried underneath other emotions and I think the main thing Sagar was feeling then was sympathy for Vidya.

3. The scene doesn't show Saagar kissing Vidya like we all wanted to happen. Does this mean that what between Saagar and Vidya was more an emotional connection rather than an act of love? Or both? Does It imply different things to Vidya, and different to Saagar? Or Same to both?

For me, it was more of an emotional connection because you could see that Sagar was beginning to sympathize with Vidya. Their bond grew stronger b/c Sagar understood the guild Vidya was feeling at that moment, but then, I think he dealt with it the wrong way...I think he should have tried to actually TALK to Vidya and discuss everything rather than take such a big step that he knew he would regret later...you could see on his face that he knew he would regret it! To Vidya, IT meant finally being accepted by Sagar even though she had so many shortcomings...to Sagar, it was his way of sympathizing with her, but it was a very very wrong way of doing this.

4. When Saagar gets up he looks at Vidya and smiles, and is truly happy till the implication of what happened strikes him. He feels that what happened between them is a mistake, and blames himself continuously. Do you think blames himself for leading Vidya on, because he knows that she loves him? Or do you think he blames himself for not having any control over his emotions? Or both? Or do you think Saagar is confused and doesn't now what to feel?

I don't think Sagar knows yet how much Vidya loves him, and I also don't think he's blaming himself for not having control over his emotions. I think he was just confused by the whole ordeal b/c he didn't really know why he did what he did, and the only thing that came to mind was to call it a mistake.

5. Saagar tells Vidya that he isn't as good as her, that she has no faults in her, and that he could never be as good as her. The reason he wants to separate is because they are just do not have any compatibility. He feels that the person Vidya loved was a different person, whereas Vidya feels that even though he has changed in thoughts, and demeanor, he is the same person she fell in love with. Do you think Saagar's feelings are valid? That trying to make a relationship work that is bound to fail is not fair to Vidya or Saagar? Or do you think Vidya's feelings are valid? Or are both right from their point of view?

First of all, I really don't see why he had to end the relationship so early. Why couldn't he have waited a month or two, let Vidya learn how to read and write (but not change her personality) and see how their relationship went for a while. I don't understand how Sagar can say that their rishta was "bound to fail" when he didn't even give it a chance. Maybe after Vidya became educated, she would be all that Sagar wanted and more!?! So I don't agree with Sagar's point of view at all. In my opinion, you can learn to love anyone, even if they are your enemy. But I do agree with Vidya in that you can change how you dress and the things you talk about, but you can't change a person's heart, how they view the world, etc.

6. Saagar tells Vidya it will be wrong for her to change because then she isn't being true to herself. Is it wrong for Vidya to want to change herself? Becoming educated is different than giving up your tradition and values. Is it really hard for two people with different set of values to form a relationship? Or once you love someone you can compromise some of your values? Do you think Saagar will meet Vidya halfway?

It would be wrong for Vidya to change her values, morals and principles, but I don't think being educated would change any of those. If anything, education would make one's values stronger.

It depends on how different the set of values are...but I don't think that Sagar and Vidya have grown up with values that are completely polar opposite. Its not the fact that they have to compromise their values, its that they have to recognize each other's values and learn how to deal with them. For example, the fact that Vidya doesn't like to dance with strange men...Sagar could understand this and say "ok, so when I take her to parties, only I will dance with her so other men won't even have the chance to do batameezi with her" (LOL!!😆) And Vidya is such a flexible person that she could learn to live with a vampire so Sagar is nothing compared to that!!

Sorry if it was waaayyy too long!!

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