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Posted: 9 years ago
#61

Originally posted by: anshurg5

Btw Bhago at least was feeling guilty for making her daughter's life miserable when she was only following the custom prevailed in their community from ages .

But other mother whose negligence to her motherly duties is the cause of 12 years miserable life of her daughter, is not feeling guilty at all . 😲
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For any mother who would have been able to see her daughter after 12 years when there was almost no hope of doing that, would have been so overwhelmed by joy only by watching her and ensuring her welfare that it would not have mattered to her at all that what she is calling her .

She would not have felt bad if her daughter was calling anyone else maa because it means that her daughter was not deprived of motherly love care during all those years when she was not there to provide it to her.

She would have been happy that now her daughter would be lucky enough to get love of two mothers.

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But here Mangla is treated like a baggage by her and her DS , they are continually resenting Mangla-Nandini's bonding . And wishing to throw her out from N 's life as soon as possible since now real mother is there to take care of her.

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How it makes A different from M ?

M is thinking only about her self and not the real mother's emotions and only pretending to have helping her.

Similarly Anandi too is thinking about her own emotions and not about Mangla's and she too is only forced to pretend to acknowledge her .



bold - 👏 very true... bhago died due to guilt.

But anandi apparently has no guilt. She blames the whole world and devima but not once she was shown as guilty.

Her case should have been like bhagos, guilt-ridden, but sadly she is neither guilty nor ashamed.
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Posted: 9 years ago
#62

Originally posted by: rohini55



So much discussion about what Mangala did for Nimboli and did not do for her.

But no answers for one question I have been asking: what did Anandi do in the last 12 years for N aside from losing her and waiting for all loose ends to be tied by others?

Is the only basis for her claim to N is that she gave birth to her? Is there anything other than this?

If Nandini was not found for another 30 years, would Anandi still be eligible to claim her because once long ago she gave birth to her?

The way the discussion is being framed here: Mangala must do a thousand things for Nandini and yet must give her up whole heartedly, without feeling any emotion, whenever the birth mother chooses to come -- whether immediately after losing her, five years later, 12 years later, or even 50 years later.

Anandi need do nothing. She can lose her, get involved in multiple other things while her child suffered, and yet can claim her at anytime of her choosing.

Not only this, she will never have to fight any battle alone. She will have an army of people at her beck and call, be mollycoddled and cosseted by them while she does not have to lift a finger to do anything.

Even after the Nandini truth was revealed, she never did anything on her own. Jagya provided her with every single lead and drove her from venue to venue until N was finally traced.

CVs have badly damaged Anandi's character.

She was a doer, a fighter, a supposedly independent and strong woman.


Today's A is a weak woman, unable to do anything by herself, always crying and always in need of other people to solve her problems.

What will she teach N? The little girl is a bright spark, full of energy and with a mind of her own.

I'm sorry the girl is nothing like Anandi. Maybe like Shiv but not Anandi.

I hope Anandi doesn't convert her into another Anandi.







Who did what in past 12 years has not been shown.

A lost her daughter before leap, she was shown searching her and returning late at night alone when only Amol has been waiting for her.

After they came to BH she has been shown talking to J and talking to police to inquire about Nandini.

After leap it has been shown police informed her about a girl of N's age and she ran there to meet the girl and while returning she was talking to DS that everytime she is going for her wherever she is getting any clue ,but returning empty handed.

These are the scenes before and after leap which shows there was a continuation of her search.

As she couldnt save N from child marriage she made it her mission to save the other daughters also from this evil custom and tries to find solace in them. We have seen after leap when a child bride was rescued by her she was hugging her and thinking about N.

She lost her baby. Of course she cant do anything for her to protect her from the tortures she was going thru that time.

But she was searching her continuously which is evident from the continuation of the scenes before and after leap.

In case of M it was shown before leap she saved the girl by Devi act and got her married off to Kundan. If she knows her Devi act has the power to fool people why didnt she tell Akhi that M will raise the child as her daughter. She could have done that, instead she married her off at that age whereas she herself was not a child bride.

Before leap this much was shown . After leap it was shown Chagni was sleeping with that kid , so of course she was changing her diapers. Chagni saved her from the burnt and the girl was shown so compassionate with Chagni.

Okay, I understand her problems. She didnt have any say in that house so she could do only what is possible, stopping the girls from the slaps.

So it is not possible that she has taken care of her like a mother, otherwise the girl would not have done those house hold chores, cooking for everyone, washing clothes, buying vegetable even washing the clothes of her sauten.

She could not even save her from the jungle, if she had done so much secretly she could very well go out at night and could have saved the girl?

Anyways still I admire her the way she saved her, took care of her in whatever way possible.

But why did she not told her the truth that she was not dumped by her mother?

Why she lied about her clothes. That means she had some intention that let the girl hate her mother from the beginning?

But inspite of all the motherly love (as claimed by you) given by her , the girl always felt unwanted/left alone in that house . It was evident from the scene where she was playing with the stones.

Still I agree she did a lot.

But as you are saying , when did A claimed her right as a mother? When she came to know about her since then she was dying to hug her, take her in her arms but the lady made sure that the girl should hate her mother by poisoning her mind.

She was running in Akhi's house calling Nandini, I came beta, I will take you with me, which is very natural reaction as she already knew by then how healthy is that atmosphere. But do you expect her to say, Nimboli , I am your mother, but I will not take you, you will stay here only?

Who said she should not feel any emotion? But the emotions which she is feeling is it right?

Is A fighting with her or competiting with her for "MAA" medal?

Its natural instinct when she met her after so long she will try to hug her, feed her, make her sleep, but the lady is not allowing her to come close.

A is not doing anything, it is hurting her but she is not fighting for that right, she is stepping back and accepted that she can't pay back the ehesaan what M did to her. And that is the reason she is feeling bad, she is sad and crying silently.

But that does not mean she should not feel those emotions neither I am saying M shouldnt be insecure. But there is a limit to it, How can she badmouth her mother in her insecurity ?

Its M who is talking about the claim.

What do you think after coming to know about her child she will sit at home and allow that lady to run with her kid , even if that lady love that kid?

Didnt she know her child is in danger. She slapped her as it was very much necessary to stop that lady to stop her from the run. M love her, did everything for her but how can she run with her just because her real mother came back.

Why cant she accept that she is not capable of raising that child and no one told her that they will throw her away. Had she told A how much she needs that girl will A throw her out? But telling all the wrong things about anyone's mother is a crime.

That is the story A got to know about her daughter thru J just the way J got Mannu back thru A, to show kachhe umar ke pakke rishtey.

Its A's nature people love her and she has so many loving people around her.

They support her as they dont think she is wrong.

If J wanted to drive her that's not her fault, she didnt say J , you pls drive my car. its because they share such bond that he too felt the need to run with her.

If she was just crying and searching her baby she couldnt have establised SN in her Shiv's memory. Then again people start finding fault she is busy building SN how she will search her daughter. Its how you look at the character.

Sorry , the girl is completely like A and S

and btw, its ridiculous to know that she took an ill baby and got a healthy child.

does that mean healthy babies cant have fever?😆

May be Shiv's genes? As atleast , you have some mercy on Shiv




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Posted: 9 years ago
#63

Originally posted by: hisusmita



@bold, I completely agree with you.😆

M is very very shrewd lady.

The way she is poisoning the girl's mind, the way she ran from place to place fooling the police, the way she is not allowing the girl's mother to even touch her, the way she was making the little one feel guilty, the way she was muttering she will not allow N to go A says everything about her character


She is no bholi bhali poor , innocent lady, her mind works very sharply for planing and plotting.

She used N to satisfy her loneliness and now she wants only for her, no one will share their love with her

Ds keya cheej hain.

DS should learn from M, how to manipulate, plan and execute the plan

Way to go M


bold - sorry that is not shrewdness 😆

shrewd was the way she defeated her tormentor... the way she wanted patiently for the right time without giving any kind of hint to anyone about what was going on in her mind... the way she played devima and got her way.

If CVs continue with her character without making her weak for no apparent reasons, anandi and dadisa stand no chance to win against her.

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Posted: 9 years ago
#64

Originally posted by: hisusmita


Who did what in past 12 years has not been shown.

A lost her daughter before leap, she was shown searching her and returning late at night alone when only Amol has been waiting for her.

After they came to BH she has been shown talking to J and talking to police to inquire about Nandini.

After leap it has been shown police informed her about a girl of N's age and she ran there to meet the girl and while returning she was talking to DS that everytime she is going for her wherever she is getting any clue ,but returning empty handed.

These are the scenes before and after leap which shows there was a continuation of her search.

As she couldnt save N from child marriage she made it her mission to save the other daughters also from this evil custom and tries to find solace in them. We have seen after leap when a child bride was rescued by her she was hugging her and thinking about N.

She lost her baby. Of course she cant do anything for her to protect her from the tortures she was going thru that time.

But she was searching her continuously which is evident from the continuation of the scenes before and after leap.



No, that is not a proof that she was searching for her daughter persistently... that is only a proof that she was waiting for the police to give her a lead and that she was relaxed and had given up trying on her own.

Edited by Shinya - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
#65

No, that is not a proof that she was searching for her daughter persistently... that is only a proof that she was waiting for the police to give her a lead and that she was relaxed and had given up trying on her own.



then whatever has been shown for M is also not a proof that she did anything for N😆

Ofcourse that is enough to show. even now police or others are giving lead. They just cant run everywhere without any clue.

That is not possible also and that is the reason when they actually know who is Nandini and when they couldnt trace her thy had to come back home.

Between Jhalra and Jaitsar there may be 100 of villlages.

It is upto viewers. who want to believe what. It is shown in details now becoz the story has reached its climax, time to meet mother and the daughter.

Writers know the best
Edited by hisusmita - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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What mangala did for the child after leap was shown in great detail.

In the very first epi, which was a holi episode, akhiraj had raised his hand to slap the child, but mangala pulled the girl near her and stopped him.
Another time, harki wanted to beat her up when she was not ready to carry kundan's bag to school, but mangala said I will carry the bag, dont beat the child.

When harki locked her up in kothri for pulling a prank on pampo's mother in law, mangala threw roti and a torch from the window.

When akhiraj beat up the child with a cane and locked her in the room to die, she broke open the door and healed her wounds.

All this prove that mangala loved and cared for her and protected her each time she was in danger.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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I was on the double standard: Mangala is asked a 1000 questions and she is constantly berated and cursed despite the severe imitations of her circumstances.

Anandi is let off without any questions.

Let me reverse the situation: If on the basis of a single visit to search for her daughter, which too Anandi goofed up badly, we have to assume that she searched endlessly, why is a similar yardstick not used for Mangala?

How can an infant grow into such a healthy, bubbly girl with no one caring for her?

My reference to her going as a sick child and returning as a healthy, cheerful girl was to emphasise this: No infant, no matter what her genes are, can be as cheerful and healthy as N is being shown, if she was completely neglected and deprived of love.

And DS, who is she to tell off Mangla? Even today, after so many years, she can't give up her 'moh' for Anandi and yet she wants M to give up N in return for a couple of gold bangles.

Are relations so cheap?.

And yes seeing Anandi post-leap, I surely do not want N to become like her. Let her be herself. Why should she be anyone's spitting image?.

And she isn't. She is a refreshing TV child who is not precocious, who doesn't behave like an adult and who doesn't give lectures.

She is her own person. Let her be so.






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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Shinya

What mangala did for the child after leap was shown in great detail.

In the very first epi, which was a holi episode, akhiraj had raised his hand to slap the child, but mangala pulled the girl near her and stopped him.
Another time, harki wanted to beat her up when she was not ready to carry kundan's bag to school, but mangala said I will carry the bag, dont beat the child.

When harki locked her up in kothri for pulling a prank on pampo's mother in law, mangala threw roti and a torch from the window.

When akhiraj beat up the child with a cane and locked her in the room to die, she broke open the door and healed her wounds.

All this prove that mangala loved and cared for her and protected her each time she was in danger.



I told that she saved her from slaps

but cant go out at midnight to rescue the child

She has not helped her in doing household works which are as bad as tortures.

If she didnt have the say , she dont have the right to call "maa"

In that way chagni too saved her, did she too claim her as her daughter?
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: rohini55




I was on the double standard: Mangala is asked a 1000 questions and she is constantly berated and cursed despite the severe imitations of her circumstances.

Anandi is let off without any questions.

Let me reverse the situation: If on the basis of a single visit to search for her daughter, which too Anandi goofed up badly, we have to assume that she searched endlessly, why is a similar yardstick not used for Mangala?

How can an infant grow into such a healthy, bubbly girl with no one caring for her?

My reference to her going as a sick child and returning as a healthy, cheerful girl was to emphasise this: No infant, no matter what her genes are, can be as cheerful and healthy as N is being shown, if she was completely neglected and deprived of love.

And DS, who is she to tell off Mangla? Even today, after so many years, she can't give up her 'moh' for Anandi and yet she wants M to give up N in return for a couple of gold bangles.

Are relations so cheap?.

And yes seeing Anandi post-leap, I surely do not want N to become like her. Let her be herself. Why should she be anyone's spitting image?.

And she isn't. She is a refreshing TV child who is not precocious, who doesn't behave like an adult and who doesn't give lectures.

She is her own person. Let her be so.








Are relations so cheap?

Why dont you ask this question to M when she was poisoning the girl's mind?

Trying religiously so that the child hates her mother?

I guess the number of people cursing M is far less than the people cursing A even when there is no fault of hers.

She has been cursed endlessly for one unintentional mistake but M cant be said anything for the wrongs she is doing intentionally.

For few forum people the unintentional mistake made by A is so big that she should get capital punishment. She should never get her child back. Its not the same for all the real life viewers. Mistake can happen.

CVs already showed she is not at fault as the way Shiv sacrificed his life for others , she too tried to help other person. It is their creation, their character. They knows what they want to show.

It is a different thing that end result may be different.

We can see lakhs of kids growing on the footpath are very cheerful and playful though they may not get to eat food.

But we have seen how she had to starve and bring water on 2-3 pots from such a long distance.

Bottom line is same. M was nice as long as she didnt lie about her birth and mother (but definitely not as good as the mother, if she claims her as her mother), we have seen the daughter of that house who was in much better position, atleast M should have given her that position) and didnt run away. She had her own reasons to save and care for the girl.

But what she is doing after running away that takes away whatever she did for that girl .

Now she wants only she will own the girl. Why she is manipulating ?



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Posted: 9 years ago
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Dadisa's moh for Anandi didn't stop her from marrying her off to Shiv. Her moh took her over only when she felt Anandi was alone and needed emotional support.

Mangala did take care of Nandini within her limited means, that's a fact.
All dadisa wants Mangala is to let Nandini spend some time with Anandi.And Dadisa has every right to tell off Mangala. Anandi and Shiv have given these rights to her.
The truth has to be revealed to Nandini eventually, and then she can decide whom she wants as her mother.

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