Balika Vadhu Episode Discussion Thread #4 DT NOTES PG 68/86/93/129

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Vidya

@Shinya

Rocker

Posted: 9 years ago

#41

@Rohini, I don't think mangala will disappear from nimboli's life or the show.

If this was the story of a woman's struggle to keep the girl she has raised with love, CVs would not have shown the girl's child marriage and her relationship with her sasural.

This is the story of kacchi umar ke ...rishte... so mangala will remain with nimboli like dadisa remained with anandi.

And nimboli cannot have more attachment to anandi. Her attachment has to be towards kundan and his family.

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dsupriya

@dsupriya

Dazzler

Posted: 9 years ago

#42

Originally posted by: rohini55

So much discussion about what Mangala did for Nimboli and did not do for her.

But no answers for one question I have been asking: what did Anandi do in the last 12 years for N aside from losing her and waiting for all loose ends to be tied by others?

Is the only basis for her claim to N is that she gave birth to her? Is there anything other than this?

If Nandini was not found for another 30 years, would Anandi still be eligible to claim her because once long ago she gave birth to her?

The way the discussion is being framed here: Mangala must do a thousand things for Nandini and yet must give her up whole heartedly, without feeling any emotion, whenever the birth mother chooses to come -- whether immediately after losing her, five years later, 12 years later, or even 50 years later.

Anandi need do nothing. She can lose her, get involved in multiple other things while her child suffered, and yet can claim her at anytime of her choosing.

Not only this, she will never have to fight any battle alone. She will have an army of people at her beck and call, be mollycoddled and cosseted by them while she does not have to lift a finger to do anything.

Even after the Nandini truth was revealed, she never did anything on her own. Jagya provided her with every single lead and drove her from venue to venue until N was finally traced.

CVs have badly damaged Anandi's character.

She was a doer, a fighter, a supposedly independent and strong woman.

Today's A is a weak woman, unable to do anything by herself, always crying and always in need of other people to solve her problems.

What will she teach N? The little girl is a bright spark, full of energy and with a mind of her own.

I'm sorry the girl is nothing like Anandi. Maybe like Shiv but not Anandi.

I hope Anandi doesn't convert her into another Anandi.

Same thing I was thinking have 1000 of expectations or agni pariksha for Mangala to prove she was a mother. But when it comes to Anandi none. And even after getting daughter going by written updates what is she really doing except lamenting her fate.

People are arguing that she is a social worker putting others needs before her sick child. But I am also a working woman and know social workers Who have been in dangerous positions but they never put child in jeopardy but keep them away.

Anyway for sake of story and masala they showed most unrealistic aspect. And if so appreciating Anandi becomes difficult

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anshurg5

@anshurg5

Sparkler

Posted: 9 years ago

#43

Originally posted by: rohini55

From here on it is a plunge into the darkness.

Mangala will be turned so black that there can be only one of two options -- both bad.

Either she dies, and hands over N to Anandi. Or she apologises and hands over N.

I don't see a third possibility. Of course there will be loads of drama, and the return of Akhiraj with a possible deal between him and M, before the climax happens.

In the Hindi serial world you can write off factors like intelligence, balance and complexities.

I haven't seen last two episodes and feel no urge.

My interest is winding down with all the predictability. This wasn't the way I felt when the focus was on Jhalra.

Agree with this, have not seen last epi and even before that caught only few minutes of each episode throughout last weak but not felt like catching it on net.

Story is predictable , turn so black the character which is not required any more for helping lead so that finally when lead's daughter makes decision in her favour no one feels bad for this side character who was once developed beautifully by CVs themselves which was required then because without someone's love, care and protection lead's daughter's life would have been more miserable at her earlier place which in turn would have made ppls more angry with their supposedly always right lead.

Now lead finally reached to claim her daughter, this character is not required anymore so turn it black. THus there will be more darker shades of black of this side character in future.
After milking her positive side CVs will not hesitate in doing the same with negative one to drag the track as much as possible.
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Story could have interesting if there was no lie before N and then she has to make her choice btw her two mothers but by making M telling lies after 12 years, they have weakened her position and lead's fault to ignore her child's safety in her passion to stop child marriages which has cost that child 12 precious years of her life will either not come out at all or will come out by ppl who portray her wrong deed as the greatest sacrifice ( though it was only the child whose life was sacrificed , mother was leading the same life as she would have led with daughter present with her). This will strengthen her position and chudail sa will help real mother by hiding an important truth.

Ironically both are hiding the same truth , both are hiding it for their own benefits but one will be ridiculed and other will be applauded .
One will loose because of hiding it and other will win because of hiding the same . 😆

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anshurg5

@anshurg5

Sparkler

Posted: 9 years ago

#44

How handy is Dadi Sa ?

She is mill stone around Anandi's neck when she used to do things which she should not have done. She is quite handy to take blame for forcing her in doing those things.

But When A has to remain in good light without tarnishing her image, DS again comes handy and does all the dirty work for A .

She can manipulate to teach a lesson to likes of Manglas to clear road for her chidakli without dirtying her hands .

And forum cheers --see how DS dealt with that cunning Mangla.Only DS was able to deal with M.😎

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I wonder why the lady is then called a millstone in Anandi's neck when all she did was to help her after her redemption years ago?😉

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aparnauma

@GoodDoc_2105

Trailblazer

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Posted: 9 years ago

#45

Dsa is called millstone around Anandi's neck for wanting Anandi to be involved in all BH affairs.😛

For constantly calling up Anandi to tell about BH wasis' problems

Dsa is called a mill stone because her moh to see Anandi Jagya together as a single unit overtakes her wisdom once in a while

She is respected for the way how she takes every opportunity that comes her way to try and set right the mistakes she did in her past.

Dsa is accepted and loved with all her faults for what she made of her life and what she contributes to the society and how she finds ways to make herself useful to the people around her and for the way she tries to battle her Anandi obsession.

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Kacchi umar ki pakke rishte between Singhs and Anandi happened with approval of both sides at every point.

Khazan and Bhago did Gauna of Anandi at a very early age because they wanted her to be part of that family and get assimilated into that family.

The little girl made Singhs as her family on the instructions of her mother Bhago who rightly or wrongly brainwashed her daughter by telling her that her sasrewale are her real family and she and her father are only care takers until it is time for her to leave to her sasural.The girl invested a whole lot of emotions in her relationship with Singhs and became part of the family because of her love dedication towards them she was willing to die for them..

The result of that bond - when Jagya dumped his BV Singhs did everything to her like they would do for a daughter so much so that Bhago never questioned Dsa's selection of the groom and blindly believed Dsa and EBed her daughter into marrying Shiv.Khazan Singh made Sumi and Bhairon perform the Kanyadan.

Then Shiv himself accepted this Kacchi umar ki pakke rishte on his own because he liked the family so much and he was willing to put his darling sister's life in the hands of Jagya.

When Shiv died the only people who Daddu and the rest of the Shekhars could trust to take care of their DIL and grand children were Singhs This happened with the approval of Khazan Singh.

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Does Nandini's relationship with Akheraj and family look anything like this that people are saying that it will be the relationship in Nandini's life?

Did Anandi at any point hand over her child either to Akheraj or Mangala? Does Anandi accept Kundan as her Jamaisa?

Anandi saved many lives too does she claim rights on those persons' lives based on the fact that they were alive because of her?

So why should Anandi accept Mangala's claims?

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rohini55

@rohini55

Voyager

Posted: 9 years ago

#46

The theme of BV is kachhi umar ke pakke rishte.

This theme has completely dominated the story to the extent that they killed off Anandi's second husband and removed his family from her life.

Anandi's life is a continuum -- she chose BH over her parents when given a choice and continues in BH even after her second marriage and children, only occasionally popping into the so-called SN.

Even a daughter doesn't get to stay this long in her parents's house.

But when it comes to Nimboli and Mangala, the opposite must prevail.

The BV theme will take a somersault and the child must go back to her mother, abruptly breaking her childhood bonds. No pakka rishta for this kachha rishta.

Not just this. She must stay in her mother's ex-sasural.

In BV world, mother's ex-sasural gets higher billing than 12-year long attachments formed since birth.

It is a double irony: DS who still has not given up her moh for her grand-daughter -in-law turned grand-daughter, apparently has more rights over the adopted grand-daughter's daughter than the person who saved her life and ensured she grew up into a healthy, cheerful girl.

As I said in another post: Anandi lost a sick child and got back a lovely, lively, healthy and bouncy 12 year old.

And yet mangala gets no credit and all claims will be only from A and her ex-sarusral turned maika.

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rohini55

@rohini55

Voyager

Posted: 9 years ago

#47

As for as I can remember, Bhago stormed into BH and screamed her head off over Jagya's abandonment of Anandi.

She asked Anandi to return home. It was Anandi who spurned her parents for her sasra.

It is irrelevant why she did this, even assuming it is because her mother once told A her sasra was her home.

It was the same mother who asked her to return home.

Anandi chose to stay with her Sasra and dumped her parents -- so much so her mother fell incurably ill.

So as always, it is double standard for the queen of double standard.

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rohini55

@rohini55

Voyager

Posted: 9 years ago

#48

Those who want to know the truth of Anandi spurning her parents despite their pleas and cries must watch the episode or read the update of July 27, 2011.

Best is to watch the episode . If not the update link it available on Punjabi Junktion.

Anandi's mother takes Jagya to task for abandoning A and cries and screams about his betrayal.

Then she takes Anandi's hand and walks out of BH.

But Anandi shakes off the hand and says she will not leave BH because Bhago herself told her she must not leave her sasra.

But the contradiction is: Anandi then goes on to say she is now the daughter of BH.

Anandi cold-heartedly spurns her crying parents and calls them paraya. Her parents are shattered that their own daughter called them paraya.

This is what led to Bhago's illness.

I find it duplicitous. A says on the one hand that her mother told her never to leave her sasra.

Which is fine.

Then she goes on to argue that she is now the daughter of BH. In which case, the logic of staying on in the sasra no longer applies.

The same mother who told her about sasrawala ties also beseeched and begged her to return home to her own home and to her own parents,

Anandi said no and preferred to stay as the adopted daughter.

Wah BV CVs: only you can turn logic so completely on its head.

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aparnauma

@GoodDoc_2105

Trailblazer

+ 4

Posted: 9 years ago

#49

Did Anandi hand over her daughter to Akheraj or gave her daughter's hand in marriage to Akheraj's son?

Did she give her child to Mangala to look after?

Did she dump her child in garbage bin as it was claimed by Akheraj and family?

Akheraj and Harki will obviously tell that story to everybody because they don't want people to know that the child has been kidnapped.

But what reason did Mangala have to go with this lie?

Mangala feels that she is the child's mother but does the child feel that Mangala is her mother?

There is a lot of difference between addressing the lady as maa and feeling that lady is her maa.

She only loved her like an aunt and what the lady gave her never really made up for her mother's absence in her life.If the child didn't long for a mother so much there wouldn't be this much anger in that child.

Why the child's feelings are not respected?

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Bhago stormed into BH and shouted at Jagya and everyone else.

But Bhago died of guilt and broken hearted at the way her child's life was ruined by child marriage and adultery and guilt because she never listended to Sandhya teacher not because her daughter rejected her.

Did Anandi reject her mother or she chose to stay in Sasural because of her mother's brain washings? Or is because she wanted to save her mother herself and Singhs the stigma of having an abandoned beendini at home?

Didn't Anandi see how those child brides from broken marriages were treated by the community? Didn't she see how they became burden to parents and how those child brides were driven to commit suicide?

Would her mother have been able to bear the society's pity and taunts about her daughter's broken marriage?

Would Singhs have been able to live with the shame of dumping their DIL?

Did she have any where else to go other than these two homes?

Why should she not take the support of her in laws who also lost their son to their own principles? Were they not in the same boat all of them dumped by the same person?

So how all this similar to Nandini's sasural which was forced on Nandini as well as Anandi?

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aparnauma

@GoodDoc_2105

Trailblazer

+ 4

Posted: 9 years ago

#50

Why did Urmi chose to stay with Kamili instead of her mother?

Same reason as Anandi did all those years ago.

Betis are a burden on parents to be unloaded.

After Anandi refused to go with her Bhago went to Sandhya teacher and said she regretted her decision to get her child married instead of sending to school. So she told her to go and meet Anandi and give her guidance.

Bhago didn't die because her daughter rejected her because she very well knew why her daughter rejected to come back with them.She herself was responsible for that.

Anandi did not give away her child to anyone. Finders keepers does not apply here.