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rohini55

@rohini55

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Posted: 10 years ago

#111

Forget revealing the bad past, Anandi does not seem to have spoken about even Shiv and his family to Shivam. Not one word about the wonderful father he was, and his supreme sacrifice for the nation. Not one word about, if not the entire family, at least daddu, who in my opinion, was one of TV world's most progressive elders."

Ok, it was difficult to talk in BH but when she moved to Shiv Niketan, was it not necessary to commemorate the bravery of Shiv? No wonder Shivam doesn't ever say he wants to be in IAS like his father or in the army like daddu.

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RTee

@RTee

Sparkler

Posted: 10 years ago

#112

Originally posted by: tellygeek

Even Shivam could have dug deep and started blaming his mother for losing Nandini.
Both situations are not drastically different. In Mannu's case a perosn he never knew has died.
In Shivam's case a person he never knew is found to be his twin and lost in this big bad world !
Both cases, emotional bonds with existing people are strong and they are well protected.

Shivam may still do it. He may still question Anandi, he may still get upset with her. But it will not happen now.

Issue here is the age at which such revelations are made.

At 10-11, kids are still kids. They are not anywhere near being adults. They are probably nearing puberty. At this age kids are happy being part of a secret, they do not take it to heart. And such confidences they expect to share with their parents not outsiders. "It is our secret", a standard phrase between kids.

At 15-16, kids are bordering on adulthood. They are coming to terms with their inner self. A girl-boy relationship that was abhorrent to them a couple years ago, is suddenly something that needs exploring. Relationships matter. Trust, confidence means a lot.

We saw a month ago how happy Mannu was when Jagya showed confidence in him, gave him money to buy clothes on his own. Jagya started recognising him as a friend.

Mannu coming to know this reality at 16, and in such a brutal manner, is what is wrong.

Already said in earlier post that a reality that was hidden from Mannu all these years, should have remained hidden. Not revealed to the kid on the cremation ground.

On top of it Ganga lied to Mannu. When Mannu asked her who this man is, she told him something like "nobody" or "an emergency case". And a few hours later she tells him that he is your biological father.

There is a lot of difference between outright lying and keeping facts hidden.

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Muktchand

@Muktchand

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+ 2

Posted: 10 years ago

#113

Shiv's bravery certificate seen in SN drawing room, so Shivam knew ...😛

Just like Shivam Q seeing Nandini's pic for first time , he might ask abt certificate & Shiv pic if he does not know who is Shiv 😆 why this certificate been hanged on wall 😛

Edited by blushing - 10 years ago

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leavesandwaves

@leavesandwaves

Sparkler

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Posted: 10 years ago

#114

surabhi, you are asking the right questions.

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aparnauma

@GoodDoc_2105

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+ 4

Posted: 10 years ago

#115

Originally posted by: blushing
Shiv's bravery certificate seen in SN drawing room, so Shivam might knew

True. Shiv's bravery certificate is displayed so prominently in their new home. It seems to hold a place of pride in their small new nest that his mother built for him and his sister who would hopefully join him one day.

Doesn't it tell what place his father has in his mother's life?

Isn't that a proof enough for a kid like Shivam?

Even Amol has taken Shiv's blazer with him.

Creatives are stuck on highlighting Kacche umar ki pakke rishte while a few viewers are stuck in the past want Anandi to focus her life building on Taj Mahal.

May be they don't like the fact that Shivam is a happy well adjusted kid for whom his mother is both mother as well as father.

They probably want to see him pining for a father who he has never seen and ignore the love and care he gets from his mother

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Muktchand

@Muktchand

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+ 2

Posted: 10 years ago

#116

Originally posted by: rohini55
Forget revealing the bad past, Anandi does not seem to have spoken about even Shiv and his family to Shivam. Not one word about the wonderful father he was, and his supreme sacrifice for the nation. Not one word about, if not the entire family, at least daddu, who in my opinion, was one of TV world's most progressive elders."

Ok, it was difficult to talk in BH but when she moved to Shiv Niketan, was it not necessary to commemorate the bravery of Shiv? No wonder Shivam doesn't ever say he wants to be in IAS like his father or in the army like daddu.

hummm

They never disclose what name Shivam used in school too 🤔 Cv just wipe out Shekhar imp Shiv 😡

oh yah Shiv pic in SN & certificate seen after Anandi Shivam moved in there 😆 Nandini pic bhi...

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RTee

@RTee

Sparkler

Posted: 10 years ago

#117

Originally posted by: surabhi01
it is not my opinion that if once person who has done bad thing even he do good thing he still should be crictize .I have criticize
jagya for cheating anandi in the same way I have appreciate jagya for helping ganga selflessly

I have criticize ds for being so harsh with her family .I have appreciate ds for becoming progressive

jagya has recieve apology from his family but ratan did not recieve apology even after his death he is still crictize even after his death .now what can ratan harm do to ganga even after his death , then ganga is still crictizing ratan .so naturally bimla will think no use of becoming good

What Jagya did to Anandi after he went to Mumbai to become a doctor bordered on Emotional Abuse.

What Ratan did to Ganga bordered on Physical Abuse.

Both are forms of Abuse and it is well known that Emotional Abuse is as bad if not worse than Physical Abuse.

Here is an excerpt from an article:

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THE EFFECTS OF EMOTIONAL ABUSE
Emotional abuse is not only under-reported, but it's effects are minimized. The famous childhood verse, "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me" is simply not true. In fact, many physical and sexual abuse survivors have said that the emotional abuse was often more devastating and had longer-term effects.

Emotional abuse cuts to the core of a person, attacking their very being. Emotional abuse, if frequent enough, is usually internalized by the victim, and leaves them feeling fearful, insignificant, unworthy, untrusting, emotionally needy, undeserving and unlovable, and as if they were bad, deserving of punishment, and to blame.

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Therefore if Jagya is considered to have changed, got his life in order, Ratan too should have been given a chance after proving over 11 long years that he could keep his word.

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aparnauma

@GoodDoc_2105

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Posted: 10 years ago

#118

Originally posted by: blushing

hummm

They never disclose what name Shivam used in school too 🤔 Cv just wipe out Shekhar imp Shiv 😡

oh yah Shiv pic in SN & certificate seen after Anandi Shivam moved in there 😆 Nandini pic bhi...

Anandi is still being addressed as Mrs Anandi Shekhar may be she changed her son's name to something else?

May be Shivam doesn't know who the man in that picture is? Or may be Shivam doesn't know after whom Shiv Niketan was named?

Shiv Niketan which works towards empowering girls and women is not named after any woman or it is not even called Bhaili but was named after Anandi's husband. So what does that mean?

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leavesandwaves

@leavesandwaves

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Posted: 10 years ago

#119

If Shivam comes to know how Jagya treated his mother in the wake of his affair with Gauri, shivam should hate Jagya too. So anandi should start injecting poison in the mind of Shivam against Jagya.
Unlike ratan, Jagya is not shivam's biological father but tormentor of his mother. His nanima died because of that ill treatment meted out to anandi.

Edited by leavesandwaves - 10 years ago

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Vidya

@Shinya

Rocker

Posted: 10 years ago

#120

Originally posted by: libsrocks

then people should never speak ill of Hitler, Kasab and many other evils of our history. You are right. Mannu should know the whole truth. Let him know he is nothing but a product of rape. His life mattered nothing to his father in front of revenge. Tell him what exactly he could have been if Ratan had raised him. .Well of course a step father can never take father's place! It means Jagya wasted so many years of his life on someone that actually should mean nothing to him (not in front of Abhi) because a step son can never replace a real son.

Hitler and Kasab slaughtered people. Ratan did not slaughter anyone.

Kasab was a terrorist, just a tool from an enemy's country who was sent to kill innocent Indians. Such topics should not be discussed on this forum.

If Ratan is compared with Hitler and Kasab, then people should not object if Jagya is compared with Ratan.