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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000


This choice was made not just bcoz she wanted to convey her fears to her son but also bcoz she wanted to screech and convey to that abused woman that don't ever dream of becoming my bahu .

Hence the constant question ...what is ur rishta with her .

The question tells her real reason . It is a womanly fear . Ratan Singh is only the upper crust .

It is fear that his sympathy will turn into attraction coz the woman is youthful and nice .

It is also mistaken fear that she will lose control and some other woman will control her son but so naive is she that she does not know that this possibility is more with the the bahu she selected...Saanchi , not eager to please Ganga who is loyal to their salt .

Koolsadhu,
I am of a different opinion than you on this. I strongly believe that we cannot attribute all these things to sumitra unless and until she has had an internal monologue with herself where she voices these things to herself.
e.g. we can see saanchi's plans sometimes, because she talks to herself.
or we saw mahi having a monologue with himself, and he then confessed that he was in love with ashima.
In the past, they have shown dadisa, gauri and anandi also having conversations with themselves, and so we could see the internal wheels turning in their heads.
Sumitra herself has not expressed anything. Without the internal monologue, I personally cannot go into the area of sumitra fearing that Jagya will be falling in love with ganga or that ganga is aiming to be her bahu.
The only explicit fear that sumitra has voiced both to herself and to her family members (and the audience) is that she is scared that rattan singh will come back.
We have to take it at face value. (Not just this serial but any serial).
I would like to believe that sumitra only fears rattan singh, and fears yet one more strike from rattan singh now because ganga is still under the auspices of the singh family, even if she is out of the haveli. Rattan singh may strike Jagya yet again in the hospital.
Edited by sectoreight - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: sectoreight

Koolsadhu,

everything you said is correct, but even then I am of the view that Jagya handled it wrong.
I feel that even if sumitra was 100% wrong, Jagya still had an obligation to carry and turn the situation.
He could easily have walked out after saying "I will not have this discussion here, if you want to talk to me, we will do it at home ... and kindly modify your tone when talking to me".
But as I said, that is my view. It need not be a view that you share.
Even if my mother is vile towards me, even if she takes her frustrations out on me, I feel "this is my mother" -- I don't stand there having a slanging match with her in public, even if she wants to slang me in public.
But others may, and are free to do so.


But I fail to understand where you think Jagya was rude !!

She asked in a rough nasty tone - Tu kya karega - he said kuchh to karna hoga.
She said - tera kya rishta hai. He said - insaniyat ka rishta thha pehle bhi or ab bhi.
She said - kab tak karega, He said - when she comes back after her training , she will work here.

He did not evade or hide anything. He just answered all her questions in a measured tone. If you see the epi again - S's tone was hjigh pitched and accusing and angry.
Jagya's tone was not angry. He was just standing his ground and saying what he was asked.

Coz if he had kept quiet, the impression wud have been that Sumi was right and Ganag wud have felt like a burden and she wud have felt compelled to leave the hospi too in the middle of the night so that she can bring peace to BH.

Grown-Ups even if they are parents - are also humans and they can make mistakes. We shud be able to have discussions as adults without resorting to a screaming match. Jagy was the adult today - Sumi was losing her marbles. Am just glad that she left, when Basant too sided with Ganga n expressed his gratitude.

Just wait n watch - Sumi will have to struggle within herself to find out why the others are not as scared as she is of Ratan. Gehna also has 2 kids now. She went thru the same stuff as Sumi did - so where does Gehna find her strength ? Why does Gehna want to smile at G and hug her ?

We are yet to see some good interactions now. True courage and goodness (Jagya) always finds detractors(Sumi), but courage means - never giving up. Sumi will improve. She will hopefully show us that she deserves to be Bhairon's wife and J's mom.

she just needs some time alone to reconsider and some counseling. Am awaiting Dadisa's methods.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: sectoreight

Koolsadhu,
I am of a different opinion than you on this. I strongly believe that we cannot attribute all these things to sumitra unless and until she has had an internal monologue with herself where she voices these things to herself.
e.g. we can see saanchi's plans sometimes, because she talks to herself.
or we saw mahi having a monologue with himself, and he then confessed that he was in love with ashima.
In the past, they have shown dadisa, gauri and anandi also having conversations with themselves, and so we could see the internal wheels turning in their heads.
Sumitra herself has not expressed anything. Without the internal monologue, I personally cannot go into the area of sumitra fearing that Jagya will be falling in love with ganga or that ganga is aiming to be her bahu.
The only explicit fear that sumitra has voiced both to herself and to her family members (and the audience) is that she is scared that rattan singh will come back.
We have to take it at face value. (Not just this serial but any serial).
I would like to believe that sumitra only fears rattan singh, and fears yet one more strike from rattan singh now because ganga is still under the auspices of the singh family, even if she is out of the haveli. Rattan singh may strike Jagya yet again in the hospital.


Having a monologue is not the only way to deduce one's inner thoughts. Sumitra's thought processes revealed itself when she made faces and point blank said she didnt want a divorcee for her son when the matchmaker visited them. How much more direct can that be. Now they didn't show any monologues showing that she changed her mind and wouldn't mind a divorcee bahu so we can rightly deduce that's one of the reasons she finds Ganga beneath her. Another scene was when they showed Sumitra's upset and disgusted facial expressions when Jagya and Ganga were sitting close to each other while he taught her the use f the computer. In TVLAND, besides monologues, close ups of nuanced Facial expressions, body language and even dialogue with others (not monologues) reveal a persons frame of mind and inner thoughts.

So it's safe to deduce that Ganga's divorcee, with child status bugs the hell out of Sumitra in the context of her relationship (whatever it may be) with her son. This makes Sumitra a huge hypocrite because Sugna was in the same boat as Ganga except she was a widow not a divorcee.
Edited by Picasso9 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I agree with you Suchi.
Something that started with insecurity & fear has now taken shape of hatred.
Sumi was right to an extent when she worried about her family against G, but what was shown in today's episode is beyond Sumi's usual character. Her calling shagun / upshagun is quite out of place for her character.
The thing is all Singhs jumped on Sumi for letting G go (as if it was only her fault), instead of trying to understand her fears. So that had left Sumi with a jerk, and her reaction today was more like 'Ganga because of you my family was in jeopardy, and instead of distancing from you they are eventually siding with you.'
This feeling has left Sumi toremented more than ever and if not handled well by family members, Sumi's hate for G will increase without any actual reason.
I only hope Ds is able to address Sumi's fears and bring her back to track.
Besides which ofcourse Cvs need to paint one character black, to whiten another character's good deeds. The painted Gauri black & made her appear illogocal to make A whiter. So we don't know what's in store and how much Sumi will be turned negative.
Edited by Missesha - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: hooked


I think now you are being grossly unfair.
He was doing quite well in Mumbai and was quite friendly, his problems came from another front. His guilt about Anandi and his feeling cut-off from home and Gauri's constant games. Everytime he found another job - it was Gauri who advised him against it on the pretext of wanting him to study and then she belittled him for living off her. Jagya was living a hell for reasons other than what you suggest.

And here too - he never made any issue. DS warned them both to cool off but Sumi went on ranting. J just made his stand very clear, Right now - he's not a baby to be scolded like she did. He's an adult and shud be treated as such and especially here where he is a professional. He is Dr. Jagdish - but she's screaming like she's at hiome !!? She's totally lost it.

Bhairon also said - only Jagya has the right to decide who gets hired at the hospi - no one else.

Irrespective how gauri was ,jagya himself was a jerk ,he himself had certain issues within himself which are now resolved out with guilt,he dint want to work in small hospital,he coudnt take shoutings from higher authorities ,he had deep insecurities from siting at home and studing ,coudnt opt for job which he would get as per his degree,even when his friend gave a proposal of being caretaker of his hospital ,he was happy becoz atleast he wouldnt have to be under senior doctor ,he was someone who used to get insecure with his wife working at a better job,So his failure was due to his innerself ,as for gauri,she dint belittled him ,i dint if a man would be in her ,people would never blame him for showing off money or watever ,nways when two people marry
each come with a set of positives,negatives in their nature,none are perfect,we have to accept each other ,she wasnt ratan singh nor he was ganga ,She dint make his life hell,dint she live a hell life,she was always compared to anandi,lived under fear,being illegal wife,no family ,every person comes with a baggage from past,so we cant blame others.Jagya was responsible for what hapened.

yes but yesterday he wasnt wrong and m prety sure if he had the same attitude in mumbai he would make it big,he is also human being ,everytime one cant be patient.


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Posted: 12 years ago
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the cvs are spoiling sumis character just to make ganga a mahaan...

her insecurity is ok...but only to a certain extent...😕

this hatred on ganga even after knowing she saved gehna and her child is too much...😡

she ll regret it later for sure...😆
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Picasso9

I don't think we can hold that against Sumitra or conclude that she ONLY wants a virgin bride. As soon as she made a face, J explained to her that he too is not marrying for the first time and there is nothing wrong in marrying a divorcee. Sumi immediately accepted.

Sumi also knows that she has 2 non-virgin daughters married to bachelors.
So I don't think it's about virgin bride against divorcee. But yes, when someone like Saanchi's proposal was brought, she accepted it whole-heartedly because in her POV, Sa is nice, kind, educated, belongs to a good family, no-baggage and loves J. So that's why Sa becomes her favorite
Edited by Missesha - 12 years ago

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Missesha

I agree with you Suchi.

Something that started with insecurity & fear has now taken shape of hatred.
Sumi was right to an extent when she worried about her family against G, but what was shown in today's episode is beyond Sumi's usual character. Her calling shagun / upshagun is quite out of place for her character.
The thing is all Singhs jumped on Sumi for letting G go (as if it was only her fault), instead of trying to understand her fears. So that had left Sumi with a jerk, and her reaction today was more like 'Ganga because of you my family was in jeopardy, and instead of distancing from you they are eventually siding with you.'
This feeling has left Sumi toremented more than ever and if not handled well by family members, Sumi's hate for G will increase without any actual reason.
I only hope Ds is able to address Sumi's fears and bring her back to track.
Besides which ofcourse Cvs need to paint one character black, to whiten another character's good deeds. The painted Gauri black & made her appear illogocal to make A whiter. So we don't know what's in store and how much Sumi will be turned negative.

Rather making people understand,cvs are making people hate her.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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yes the CVs have spolit sumitra's character too much...this is not the Sumitra we knew ...how can we forget that she never once winced o choose A over her son ...so saad-bahu drama in the offing once JaGan are married but me eagerly waiting for Jagay calling off the wedding with Sanchi...what will be the real trigger ...
PS: and well said -- Sumitra's most dearest now is sanchi , not Bharion, her son or A...sad indeed
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: hooked

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I think now you are being grossly unfair.
He was doing quite well in Mumbai and was quite friendly, his problems came from another front. His guilt about Anandi and his feeling cut-off from home and Gauri's constant games. Everytime he found another job - it was Gauri who advised him against it on the pretext of wanting him to study and then she belittled him for living off her. Jagya was living a hell for reasons other than what you suggest.

Hooked, this is complete bullshit. Jagya never had any guilt about anandi at that point. Rather he resented anandi for his perception that she had separated him from his family and explicitly abused her.
Jagya took on a variety of jobs by himself, and quit them all by himself without any interference from gauri whatsoever. Infact, gauri always encouraged him. She never belittled him, except when he made stupid decisions like quitting jobs for no rhyme or reason.
1. He first got a job interview at a poor people's hospital. He went to the interview, but did not attend the interview. When the peon called his name to guide him in, he ran away instead of going in to meet the interviewer. He did not even interview. He did not want to work in a poor people's hospital because there were several patients lying around in the hallway itself. Gauri had encouraged him for this interview.
2. Next he got a job at a government hospital but he was sacked because he got into a panga with goondas when he refused to service the chief goonda. The goondas then ransacked the hospital. The hospital chief doctor fired him for lack of tact. Gauri had encouraged him for this interview. Gauri also supported him when he was fired. She said it was good because he should not work in dangerous circumstances.
3. Next he got a job at some maternity clinic. Once again, here they were doing sex determination -- if it was a girl the code word was "barfi"; if it was a boy, the code word was "peda"... and if it was a girl they were doing abortions. Jagya decided that it was against his ethics to participate in female foeticide. Gauri supported him and also agreed that this was not a good hospital to work at.
4. Then he got a job at some hospital, and some clerks were doing pharmaceutical embezzlement or replacement or something. He took it upon himself to complain to the management, only to find the management sacked him because the clerks were doing it on their orders. Jagya again cited ethics. Gauri supported him here too.
As things progressed, and Gauri saw that Jagya was just sort of walking in and out of revolving doors... sometimes being hired in the morning and fired in the evening, then at that time (and not before) ... she suggested that it might be better for him to finish his M.S. instead of engaging in these one-day long jobs which started in the morning and ended in the evening.
Gauri herself cut out a few newspaper ads for him, but he was then disappointed that he would only be hired for MBBS jobs. (even though he had completed 2.5 years of M.S. but not finished the last six months). Then he just started sitting at home and eating vegetable sandwiches and watching tv all day long. He did no housework either (even simple things like going downstairs and buying fruits from the laari waala) ; left piles of dirty dishes in the sink for gauri to clean up when she came back etc. etc. Naturally gauri got irritated. There are some expectations for a husband who stays at home beyond watching tv. He was not studying.
Gauri never belittled him. He himself felt small, but did nothing about it.
Then Gauri got him a job at her hospital because he wanted to work in a luxury hospital. There too his first complaint was that he got hired as a junior doctor with MBBS qualifications, instead of senior doctor with MS qualifications.
Then he resented working under gauri.
As a matter of protocol, the elderly doctor who was the big boss of the hospital insisted that he call Gauri "Dr. Gauri" (with the doctor in front) instead of a casually calling her Gauri. Here too he started arguing with the senior doctor saying "she is my wife, I want to call her gauri" ... and the doctor said "I don't care. we are in the hospital, here she is Dr. Gauri" (My question is was it really necessary to get into a slanging match with the senior doctor about such a trivial issue?)
Then he challenged a senior professor about medication in front of his patients thereby undermining him.
etc. etc. etc...
and then he got thrown out of the luxury hospital too.
The only job that gauri discouraged him from taking was the Bangalore offer where one of his friends wanted to make him the CEO of the hospital, and that too was because Gauri did not want to move from Mumbai. I feel that is legitimate. In any case, her point there too was valid. He would have to re-start his M.S. all over again instead of finishing his existing M.S. to complete in another six months.
Gauri never belittled him. She just made it clear to him that if he wanted to do a job, he could do a job. If he wanted to stay at home, he could sit and study at home. She would support him.
But the one thing she was clear she would not do was to support him to sit at home and loaf around all day long watching cricket matches. And that is precisely what he was doing, which led to her belittling him. He neither wanted to study, nor wanted to take on any burdens of housework if he was at home. Naturally, anybody would be upset at having to deal with a freeloader who wants to do nothing.
The truth about Jagya is that he can only be the CEO of something, because the laadesar pampering was always ingrained inside him. Therefore, I stick to my stand that Jagya would have been a loser alcoholic if the singhs had not taken him back.
He lacked the social skills and the go-getter attitude required in the professional world. Even now after so much mental stability etc. it has never occurred to him once to go back and finish his M.S.
Edited by sectoreight - 12 years ago

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