The apna vs. paraya discussion

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Posted: 12 years ago
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I am really unable to decide as to whether sumitra is right on the fact that ganga is not like anandi or suguna.
On one hand, I feel it is completely acceptable for sumi to see ganga as paraya. How much can we do for others even on humanitarian grounds and is it really necessary?
I mean I sent my children to better schools than my driver's kids. He sent his kids to the local government school/sarkari shaala. My children went to privileged academies where there were extra curricular activities and children wore blazers with badges. I never thought of sending the driver's children to the same school, (and he never asked me to either.)
On the other hand, ganga is most definitely a guest in the house.
Where is the dividing line between apna and paraya? (I don't mean legal definitions ... I mean our own "heart" definitions)

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Ganga is not even a guest in BH. She came to BH when she has nowhere to go. She was not treated like a maid, though by Sumi never considered her like a family either. There's nothing wrong in Sumi's thoughts except her rude behavior towards Ganga and poor little Mannu.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Good question and quite thought provoking.
I feel someone can be apna or paraya by 2 ways
- One can be apna by the love & respect you have for one another, even though there is no societial (legal) relationship between the two. Here the bond between two people (or more) is so strong that one could even die for that person.
- The other way to call someone apna is through the societial relationship, even though the two may not love each other so much. The bond here may not be so strong, but the fact that they are classified in a 'relation', the rights & duties towards each other automatically imply
In Sumi's case; Ganga remained 'paraya' because she didn't love G as much as she loved A or Sugna, (which is fair), so her ability to do something for G had it's own boundaries. And when she had to make a choice between her family's safety & G's safety, she chose her family. Because neither she loves G that much nor is she bounded by an 'relation' to fulfil a duty.
That is exactly what Sumi told J; 'woh Anandi na hai' (meaning I don't love her so much to die for her) & 'Koi rishta na banaya humne usse' ( meaning I am not obliged to have any duties towards her which are beyond the basic humanity & courtesy).
But the same Sumi loves Anandi boundlessly, that even after having no relation with her legally, Anandi is her 'apni'. Sumi would surely die for Anandi if required.
And I think as humans we all draw these lines, somewhere, somehow in our relations
Edited by Missesha - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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The thing is Ganga was not treated as a guest in the house she did not remain a guest when Dadisaa stopped Ganga and took promise from her you won't even think about leaving this house again i don't think you have taken such promise from your driver ?Who takes such promises from guest That girl when she was actually a guest thought of leaving the house because guests have to leave one day they don't stay permanently in your house but from Ganga such promise was taken and Sumitra at that time standing near dadisaa was showing her 32 teeth she whole heartly accepted Dadisaa 's decision and involved Ganga in all the important family matters initially now she is taking a 360 degree turn i have not made any relation with her Sumitra sorry to say is lying here After making a girl a part of your family then rejecting her is certainly wrong act of Sumi here

and the apna pyara discussion started here on how people differentiate between apna and praya here Sumitra cannot even think about such things for her owns the way she is treating Ganga now this is definitely not right just because someone is paraya you can do any bad to her same if happens with your apna you cry how can this happen to my own Why? because your apna is only human the praya is not a human
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@TM, a thoughtful post. @Missesha, totally agree.

Regarding this apna and paraya, I think, the terms are relative. it is like concentric circles.
1. The nucleus is our family comprising of husband/wife/children/parents/siblings.
2. Next is near relatives.
3.Next circle is friends and neighbours who have what is called 'dil ka rishta'.
5. Next is people like very old servants etc. who become part of family
6. Next circles is relatives with whom we do not have dil ka rishta (we are related but not close enough because of various reasons - different views/misunderstanding etc.).
6. Next is about other persons whom we interact on daily basis - house-helps, shopkeepers, doctors etc.
7. Our countrymen (like we feel proud about achievement of fellow Indian even if we do not know them), we feel them 'apna'.
8. The outermost circle is all human being. Regardless of race/country etc. we will feel a human is apna compared to others in animal kingdom.

[There may be variations according to individual preferences]

Now if we compare the situation in serial - if any danger comes, we will try to save 'apna' most. That is the innermost circle. Thereafter, if we can afford, we will go to other circles and save them also. So Sumitra was not wrong. It is just that creatives wanted to paint her black, therefore, they made her rude to Ganga and even Mannu. Her recent behaviour with Ganga and Mannu was wrong, but her definition of apna and paraya cannot be faulted.

People lay their life saving others - even unknown persons, but that occurs at the spur of moment, like saving someone from robbery etc. or due to call of duty like policemen or army men. If we are given a choice, we will always try to save 'apna' first, others come later.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Sumi doesnt like her becoz she was compared with anandi n sumi cant accept dat anyone can be better than her so obviously in her opinion Ganga is a fake woman.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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i personally dont think there can ever be any definition for apna and paraya. its all about who you love and how much you feel for them ! the love can be for a family member, spouse, friend, guest, !!! and it doesnt necessarily mean you can only love someone who's related to you!

in this case, everyone in the family had formed a bond with ganga, they loved her apparently and were doing all they could for her! and it was mutual from both sides! but suddenly sumitra started treating her differently! if she really thought like that she should have behaved like that from the beginning!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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frankly, if she dint find ganga "apni" enugh, its fine, she is the master of her own mind...but nothing, absolutely nothing gives her the right to be so mean and cruel to a toddler like mannu...
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Posted: 12 years ago
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This is what i feel .

There r 2 thought processes .

You have a duty to ur blood , family , whom u call 'apne' .

You owe nothing to an outsider beyond good wishes in ur heart , then dismissal .

80% follow this thought process .

Then there r like Anandi , women in the Gulabi gang , social workers etc who form the other 20% . They generally r victims of abuse themselves . Their thinking broadens beyond family . They relate not to conditioned thoughts of family alone but relate to ABUSE whenever they see it . They empathise with it . Sympathise with it . Decide to help the one suffering it . When actress Nargis suffered from cancer , Sunil Dutt built a cancer ward and helped many poor people afficted with the disease and who could not afford cancer treatment .

Generally these 20 % r those who have been through it themselves and hence the evolved mind .

Then there r those who go through it but yet prefer the worldly way as they don't have the courage , time or energy to do the right thing . They empathise in their heart but look the other way .

Now comes a point in every one's life where one has to go beyond the apne paraye distinction and just be true to the one quality in u that makes u different than other animal species ...humanity .

If a woman is raped before ur eyes .

If a child is murdered before ur eyes .

If a particular person is demanded in return of the safety of a group .

If terrorists threaten to kill an entire community in exchange for some nuclear energy secrets .

A very dificult choice is placed before a human being .

There r those like Anandi who say , do whatever u want to me u jerk , ur not gonna get a yes from me .

There r those like Sumitra who say , let my family live , to hell with that outsider , i owe her NOTHING on a societal basis , but i owe it to my family to protect them .

This is often hailed as common sense . That is often criticised as mahaanta .

What Sumitra did was not wrong .

But

it was one of those things that you CAN do , which is fully within ur rights , and yet haunts u for LIFE .

Like a woman married to a tycoon for 3 years . Sure , she is his legal wife and can walk away with half of his hard earned billions with that legality but honestly does she deserve that kind of money ? What has she done to deserve it ? She stayed with him only for 3 years !

Sumitra was not wrong in deciding that her family deserved to live and to hell with that abused woman , she can go back to the abuser husband for all she cared or die .

But

Things would never be same for her or the other members of the family if

Ratan Singh had taken Ganga , left them , and later burnt her alive

killed Mannu in a bout of extreme alcoholism

The conscience is a sure shot killer . Just like those who have fought in the war and seen the senseless cruelty can never be the same again

those who r in human crisis situations r never the same again .

The moment Ratan Singh took all of them hostage their life changed . It became a human crisis situation . Sure u can save urself by trying to keep ur head over water by standing on someone's shoulders and in that process drowning the other and sure this is survival but that survival will be ur living death .

As i see it , what Sumitra did can safely be described as a picket fence . She can never be called wrong . But she can never be called right either .




Edited by koolsadhu1000 - 12 years ago

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