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AnjanaYYZ

@AnjanaYYZ

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Posted: 13 years ago

#71

Naz - I watch Malaal... found it kinda boring, but deffo progressive. Dastaan i have heard is a masterpiece, but the ending scares me from watching. Rest I may try out... I think I did try a few epis of Roag too..

On the whole, I like the density and scripting better with PAK serials... but, overall find that older PAK serials like Tanhaee, Dhoop Kinarey, etc... were better scripted and modern in thought if not dress... Zoya of DK certainly had me sold on a career in medicine🤣🤣 There was a sharpness to PAK comedy I used to enjoy... kinda like the diff btwn brit humour and Amerikan lauffs. I found PAK stuff much more classy and introspective back in the day. Not to mention my preference for urdu over hindi...

Agree with u about MJHT, DMG, etc... Indian Soaps nearly always suck at the end.

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sarandha

@sarandha

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Posted: 13 years ago

#72

@seriusly sujal - nice posts - enjoyed reading them all - and especially agree about the point on sexuality . Though i think there was one scene in BALH which someone forwarded to me between R and P - their declaration of love and subsequent lovemaking - quite bold and surprisingly well done. But then BALH was different from ekta brands initially before they could not resist bringing back ayesha angle - saw some episodes initially - saw some episodes where though priya was the superwoman again, she had some normal characteristics - a schoolmistress like preachiness, yet a vulnerability within etc ...

Also completely agree about the point on showing normal woman - not merely self sacrificing characters as the heroines ...and yes women out of the kitchen -

this suddenly reminds me of udaan - made on kiran bedi's life - a girl realising her dream of being an IPS officer against all odds- as a result i shudder when i see diya aur baati and the unrealistic way in which sandhya is shown with the same dream amidst that hopeless setting...

though i'm quite happy to say i watch very little of all - even BV - only when i go back to my hometown with parents and kins watching, otherwise at my bachelor's pad i dont evn have a tv so watch BV online 😛

But anyways dont know about modern pak serials but some of the earlier ones were a delight and i agree witha ll anjana says about them ...have great news for u guys , here is an online link to watching many of them online fully -http://pakistanica.com/tv/writer/haseena-moin/... these include classics by haseena moin like dhoop kinarey , tanhaiyyan, ankahi, padosi ,parchaiyyan, older black and white delights like kiran kihani and shehzori

then there are some nice ones like noorul huda shah's faaslay ( beautiful one on a wife's negotiation and rejection of husband's adultery ), marvi

then anwar maqsood's lovely serious ones exploring complex love stories - sitara ur mehrunisa and talash...

gauranteed some of u would love them...

Just one more thing . I think serials like buniyaad and humlog showed how long epic serials can be created but only around generations and many interesting narratives built together ...otherwise most who try and continue beyond a point end up being a complete washout with surreal lives - this is so even in the west - look at what happened to the endless sagas in bold and beautiful and santa barbara- every single person fell for evry other person, there were innumerable twists until you stopped watching them for any story - but just for the sexuality and the eye candiness 😊... though u cant watch our soaps for that even -sexuality is missing and the set up is an eye sore with the endless sarees and mangalsutras...

khair what i meant to say just like fiction - where the epic novel, the novel and the short story or short story anthologies all have a place ...something like that is what serials should ideally be a mix of - some good epics with a strong storyline, some average duration serials and some short story anthologies...will be way more interesting to watch 😊

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rohini55

@rohini55

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Posted: 13 years ago

#73

Seriusly Sujal, loved, loved, loved your post.

Can' tell you how much I've enjoyed reading and absorbing every word of your post and those of others in this thread. I happened to watch Dhoop Kinare some months ago and I was impressed by its combination of superb story telling, simplicity,humour and outstanding acting. I fell in love with Dr. Ahmar -- what an understared yet amazing performance. How I wish our Indian version hadn't butchered the plot. I mean KTLK should be taken to court for the assassination of a beautiful, poignant love story.

You know that song, Raat yun dil me teri khoyee hui yaad ayee. Jaise Viraney me chup ke se bahaar aayee. Faiz's words set to soul-lifting music. I often go to sleep with the song and the lyrics playing in my mind.

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mansimat

@mansimat

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Posted: 13 years ago

#74

Hi People

I must say this is a lovely discussion. I just stumbled upon the thread and read all the 8 pages together! It was great reading through and getting to know the view points of like-minded people.

I think you have covered almost all notable points in the discussion.

I would like to add that, if we look at the promos, almost all of them start with a lot of promise. There seems to be a good plot, central characters caught in some situation, a love story with a tragic angle, something different. But if we look at the same serials after a 100 episode run, they become redundant with a lot of them looking like the same - bahus/saans/tradition/kitchen work/sindoor/lame situations. But for the same soaps, the promos looked very refreshing! Sujal has mentioned some points about this. Like about Sasural Simar Ka, what about the dancing dreams of Simar, Roli's career etc?

(One HUGE, HUGE exception is Kairi - the horrific promotions of this soap made me fall off my chair. And I was forced to watch them during breaks of BV). Sorry for the meandering!

So what happens between the first 25 episodes & the 100th one?

- TRPs: they start defining the entire plot

- The writers take a premise of the plot and build the story. Now each story can only run that much on the first central premise. They don't know what to with do it after a certain point, because usually the only logical path is closure. But they can't close just then,(hey TRPs remember?!) So they do what every other soap is doing - show the Kekta stuff- tried, tested and successful over indian audience for a long time.

- I also think that usually writers, when taking up a new project write about the first 20-25 episodes. They do not think much beyond that. A strategic vision over a longer period of time lacks. This is probably furthered because production houses take up a particular serial, after looking at the pilot. And pilot usually consists of small no. of episodes.

I think because of all these factors, the course of many soaps and serials, changes, derails or goes completely off the track.

Edited by mansimat - 13 years ago

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rohini55

@rohini55

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Posted: 13 years ago

#75

Mansi, I wish serial makers would reflect on this: Melodrama and illogical twists and leaps do not necessarily bring the highest trps. BV has managed to be a top TRP grosser despite not veering too much off its central theme. It should tell something to Ekta Kapoor and other copycats that a leap does not always equal to freshness. I mean BALH picked up after the leap because of the cute little girl. EK introduced the most absurd twist in Balh: the female lead living in a country like Dubai -- which has very strict rules -- under a fake passport and name. What the hell? It is such an insult to our intelligence and yet she will have us believe it is all freshness and light.

Her other soaps are nowhere near BV despite the preposterous twists she introduces. I'm sure people are registering the hackneyed and recycled plots. Separation, union, separation: every single story is the same with people shown as having rocks instead of brains..

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Manasi

@Manasi_16

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Posted: 13 years ago

#76

Originally posted by: rohini55
Seriusly Sujal, loved, loved, loved your post.

Can' tell you how much I've enjoyed reading and absorbing every word of your post and those of others in this thread. I happened to watch Dhoop Kinare some months ago and I was impressed by its combination of superb story telling, simplicity,humour and outstanding acting. I fell in love with Dr. Ahmar -- what an understared yet amazing performance. How I wish our Indian version hadn't butchered the plot. I mean KTLK should be taken to court for the assassination of a beautiful, poignant love story.

You know that song, Raat yun dil me teri khoyee hui yaad ayee. Jaise Viraney me chup ke se bahaar aayee. Faiz's words set to soul-lifting music. I often go to sleep with the song and the lyrics playing in my mind.

All teh 3 songs in the show are excellent...raat yun dil mein, the theme song hansi khanikti hui and also main tumse na poonchon!!!!

I have saved the video clip of raat Yun dilmein on my ipod...and see it so many times

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Manasi

@Manasi_16

Stunner

+ 8

Posted: 13 years ago

#77

Originally posted by: rohini55
Mansi, I wish serial makers would reflect on this: Melodrama and illogical twists and leaps do not necessarily bring the highest trps. BV has managed to be a top TRP grosser despite not veering too much off its central theme. It should tell something to Ekta Kapoor and other copycats that a leap does not always equal to freshness. I mean BALH picked up after the leap because of the cute little girl. EK introduced the most absurd twist in Balh: the female lead living in a country like Dubai -- which has very strict rules -- under a fake passport and name. What the hell? It is such an insult to our intelligence and yet she will have us believe it is all freshness and light.

Her other soaps are nowhere near BV despite the preposterous twists she introduces. I'm sure people are registering the hackneyed and recycled plots. Separation, union, separation: every single story is the same with people shown as having rocks instead of brains..

Exactly...and a person of Ram Kapoor's supposed stature cannot even get bail for his wife in a case of corporate negligence & fraud????????????? I mean, there is a limit to what crap you show yaar! Like yesterday in Mumbai, a 50ft slab of concrete fell down during construction of the overhead metro rail; injuring around8-10 ppl critically. But Anil Ambani (whose company is executing the project) is not even implicated, forget getting a lifer...Ekta loses all touch with reality, plausibility and responsibility.

But in the end, its us to blame, not her...till we don't stop seeing that crap she will never stop showing it. Audiences have to reject her shows...only then will anything change in the industry

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mansimat

@mansimat

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Posted: 13 years ago

#78

Ya exactly!!BALH, bowing to TRP is a perfect example. I found the leap absolutely ridiculous. I mean the lead goes away to Dubai because she overhears a conversation of her husband's elder sister, that he is better off without the wife? Then she goes to Dubai for raising a child on her own. With a fake passport?? Due to some stupidity, she doesn't tell her husband about a child he has fathered??? Ram Kapoor's wife got life term jail for that fraud. Such a big industrialist can't even get bail for his wife?? The more I watched after the leap, the more amazed I was at the stupidity. Can this ever happen in reality? But the serial works because of the kid and the great actors who still make this irrational story, plausible.

But that's just one serial, almost all others are even worse, they don't even have such strong lead actors.

I guess the writers need to reflect about a how a story would unfold in a time span of 4 years and then write accordingly. They can't write for the first 2 months and then latch on to Saas Bahu saga, ONCE THE TRP HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED. I feel this is a very important factor. Once a soap establishes it viewership base, the soap creatives feel they can do anything with the plot, since loyal fans have been made for them. That would run she show. Period.

I wish they just remove the TRPs!

What's the solution?! Suggestions?

Thanks

Mansi

Originally posted by: rohini55
Mansi, I wish serial makers would reflect on this: Melodrama and illogical twists and leaps do not necessarily bring the highest trps. BV has managed to be a top TRP grosser despite not veering too much off its central theme. It should tell something to Ekta Kapoor and other copycats that a leap does not always equal to freshness. I mean BALH picked up after the leap because of the cute little girl. EK introduced the most absurd twist in Balh: the female lead living in a country like Dubai -- which has very strict rules -- under a fake passport and name. What the hell? It is such an insult to our intelligence and yet she will have us believe it is all freshness and light.

Her other soaps are nowhere near BV despite the preposterous twists she introduces. I'm sure people are registering the hackneyed and recycled plots. Separation, union, separation: every single story is the same with people shown as having rocks instead of brains..

Edited by mansimat - 13 years ago

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mansimat

@mansimat

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Posted: 13 years ago

#79

Hi Mansi (Weird to address my name :P)

Yeah, you have taken the words out of my mouth..

I guess not watching them - that's the only solution. But a far, far dream.. sigh..

There should be a consumer court for TV soaps too!

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Mansi

Originally posted by: Manasi_16

Exactly...and a person of Ram Kapoor's supposed stature cannot even get bail for his wife in a case of corporate negligence & fraud????????????? I mean, there is a limit to what crap you show yaar! Like yesterday in Mumbai, a 50ft slab of concrete fell down during construction of the overhead metro rail; injuring around8-10 ppl critically. But Anil Ambani (whose company is executing the project) is not even implicated, forget getting a lifer...Ekta loses all touch with reality, plausibility and responsibility.

But in the end, its us to blame, not her...till we don't stop seeing that crap she will never stop showing it. Audiences have to reject her shows...only then will anything change in the industry

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Lavanya

@lavy

Voyager

Posted: 13 years ago

#80

BALH has really fooled its audience. I never used to watch it before..but I watched the episode where Sakshi breaks down and conveys her love to Ram Kapoor...the whole episode shot in this single scene and the emotions/dialogues of the actors were the only things on screen for 20 ms or so. Oh..What an amazing episode it was and what superlative performances!

Abhi dekho...its back to the rut. I just feel cheated and hope and pray BV makers dont cheat us.

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