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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: anu rulz

see i would see jagya as a victim TILL he decided to cheat both women..if child marriage was responsible for the mess, thn its acceptable tht he fell for gauri and would want to end his marriage wid anandi in a RESPECTFUL manner..not make anandi feel inferior or crush her self esteem to bits and pieces the way he did..there was one dialogue a million years back when gauri was 🤔 "sensible".. tht such people want to enjoy their lives wid their girlfriends in the city while their child- wives are at home taking care of their parents.. (where did tht gauri disappear, i wonder?).. tht is the basic issue i have wid jagya..he had no fricking right to cheat on anandi..am always for one's personal choice in mates, and so i agree wid jagya abt his right to choose a mate..bt the least one can do is end his previous relation in a decent and respectful manner..and defo not in the way jagya did..

How about I throw in another angle of incompatibility between the two. (Though it is not the case here, Anandi could be everything that Jagiya would have wanted) .
As I said that in adulthood we define our goals, our needs better, not in childhood. So is it good not to make the bond in childhood.
How else the writer can critique Bal Vivah?
Even if he dumps Anandi sweetly, would it be right? Actually it s the bond of marriage that cannot be broken on such issues. People are expected to adjust to one another! One can break marriage on many issues as highlighted in the main post but still jagiya saying sweetly I found someone is not right too. Especially if it a consummated bond...He could say all this before accepting Anandi. Marriage is not something people walk out of!
P.S: My critque is more of child marriage and the seriouness of the bond. I consider jagiya to be moraless. If he is so against it, he could ahve stopped his chidren's marriage than make someone else suffer
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Posted: 13 years ago
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one can put the blame of adultery on bal vivah ,it was a weapon to defend himself for jagya and gauri also is part of conspiracy that u have right to choose ur partner -this she said to him but ,should woman marry a married man n destroy others life and say that i m victim of bal vivah both after attaining adult age became adultered with sins and used bal vivah to hide their sins but god is universal so one's sins are known to him
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Avantika, I liked your post and agree that Bal Vivah did take away the right from J & A to choose a hum safar. But I don't believe it gave any right to J to use that relation as an excuse for this adultery. Also, its not just considering if a action is a crime or not but also, HOW its been done.

I was watching a LifeTime movie some time ago where a couple gets married and then the husband goes on physically abusing the wife for the next 4 years and finally one day the woman gets the courage to kill him. But let me tell you HOW! She tied her sleeping husband's legs and hands and took a knife and started stabbed him, a couple of times. By this time he was almost dead, she didn't stop, she stabbed him over and over and over and over! A total of 197 times! She cut every tiny part of the man, every single tiny place she stabbed, cut and pieced him. The case went to court and even though people agreed that she's right at the want to kill him for torturing her and for her self defense, but it was absolutely wrong to do the act the way she did. So she was guilty and sent to jail for I believe 25 years.

So what I am trying to say is, agreed that J and A being tied by Bal Vivah was wrong but there were so many ways J could have made things right. Once he met G, and once he decided that he wanted her, he could have researched and found out how to dissolve his Bal Vivah, how to honestly tell his best friend A that he no longer wishes to be tied by a relation that he only sees as friendship and no more. He could have painted a better picture of his family to G, he could have made sure he didn't make G so insecure. There were far to many ways to do the right thing, but he chose not to. And therefore I blame him for the mess that he has caused in so many people's life. I don't pity him, nor do I respect his right for having a partner he chooses.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: KyunkiImafan

Avantika, I liked your post and agree that Bal Vivah did take away the right from J & A to choose a hum safar. But I don't believe it gave any right to J to use that relation as an excuse for this adultery. Also, its not just considering if a action is a crime or not but also, HOW its been done.


I was watching a LifeTime movie some time ago where a couple gets married and then the husband goes on physically abusing the wife for the next 4 years and finally one day the woman gets the courage to kill him. But let me tell you HOW! She tied her sleeping husband's legs and hands and took a knife and started stabbed him, a couple of times. By this time he was almost dead, she didn't stop, she stabbed him over and over and over and over! A total of 197 times! She cut every tiny part of the man, every single tiny place she stabbed, cut and pieced him. The case went to court and even though people agreed that she's right at the want to kill him for torturing her and for her self defense, but it was absolutely wrong to do the act the way she did. So she was guilty and sent to jail for I believe 25 years.

Hi I think this story is real. not the way this murder took place , but I think some NRI woman did it. She was tired of abuse by her husband, so she killed him. i can't remember the name...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: avantikasharma1


Hi I think this story is real. not the way this murder took place , but I think some NRI woman did it. She was tired of abuse by her husband, so she killed him. i can't remember the name...


Yup the story is real but of an American woman. I am not sure about the NRI's.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: KyunkiImafan

So what I am trying to say is, agreed that J and A being tied by Bal Vivah was wrong but there were so many ways J could have made things right. Once he met G, and once he decided that he wanted her, he could have researched and found out how to dissolve his Bal Vivah, how to honestly tell his best friend A that he no longer wishes to be tied by a relation that he only sees as friendship and no more. He could have painted a better picture of his family to G, he could have made sure he didn't make G so insecure. There were far to many ways to do the right thing, but he chose not to. And therefore I blame him for the mess that he has caused in so many people's life. I don't pity him, nor do I respect his right for having a partner he chooses.

Hi dear, one more thing your ideas resemble more like dating not Marriage! For me only way out is that jagiya actually honour his relationship and make it work and never let it happen to his children. After all with years marriage turn into a friendship. it is marriage the strong bond that is the trouble. I don't think he can sweetly walk out of it. See how did the society react to second marriage and divorce.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: KyunkiImafan


Yup the story is real but of an American woman. I am not sure about the NRI's.

Yes it is of NRI punjabi woman who killed her husband because of abuse...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: avantikasharma1

Yes it is of NRI punjabi woman who killed her husband because of abuse...



I think that lady's name was Kiranjit Ahuwalia. There was a movie made on her story too, i believe the movie was Provoked.


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Posted: 13 years ago
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I totally agree that J WAS a victim of child marriage. But I cannot see him leaving A as anything else but adultery. J as a person has always been easily swayed by new things, people and events. He has always wanted to look the best among his peers and did not care how he got it. he has in the past too used wrong ways of meeting his ends totally disregarding the morals instilled in him by his parents. DS has to be partly blamed for his bratty behavior. He was always forgiven for all the nonsense he did and he just carried this attitude forward.

In my opinion the reason for J and A's relationship to hit the rocks was the long distance relationship they had when he went to mumbai. Moreover he did not know how to use his new found freedom. I am sure he did seek company since he was always used to people all around him catering to all his needs. I do not feel bad for him for all these things coz it was him who wanted to study out of state. So he should have very well known that he would have to face all these situations. But inspite of that he just went with the flow, experimented on things, made new relationships and conveniently forgot the old ones. In this process he hid his very identity and just presented to his friends and the people around a cliched J wanna-be. G was attracted to some random Jagat who never existed beyond J's imagination. Even if he was getting attracted to G the right thing for him to do is to resist it, fully knowing that he has a wife and a very wonderful and dedicated wife back home. Did he ever bother to try work his relationship with A? What he expected of her was only changing her dressing and getting more educated. He very well knew that she was very smart and if given a chance will excel. But he chose to opt for an easy convenient upgrade. Like always he expected the family to forgive him but to his dismay they did not. So he conveniently put the blame on child marriage and his lack of choice. Which is a lame excuse. If he tried to work out his relationship with A, told the truth to G and the world about himself and even after that he could not make things work, I would give him the benefit of doubt. But what he has done is used A to remove his frustrations and also make himself believe in his mind that she is worthless (coz he knows very well that she is not) by his numerous abuses, so that he can go and enjoy his time with another woman. Highly disgusting and scummy 🤢
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: andv

I totally agree that J WAS a victim of child marriage. But I cannot see him leaving A as anything else but adultery. J as a person has always been easily swayed by new things, people and events. He has always wanted to look the best among his peers and did not care how he got it. he has in the past too used wrong ways of meeting his ends totally disregarding the morals instilled in him by his parents. DS has to be partly blamed for his bratty behavior. He was always forgiven for all the nonsense he did and he just carried this attitude forward.

In my opinion the reason for J and A's relationship to hit the rocks was the long distance relationship they had when he went to mumbai. Moreover he did not know how to use his new found freedom. I am sure he did seek company since he was always used to people all around him catering to all his needs. I do not feel bad for him for all these things coz it was him who wanted to study out of state. So he should have very well known that he would have to face all these situations. But inspite of that he just went with the flow, experimented on things, made new relationships and conveniently forgot the old ones. In this process he hid his very identity and just presented to his friends and the people around a cliched J wanna-be. G was attracted to some random Jagat who never existed beyond J's imagination. Even if he was getting attracted to G the right thing for him to do is to resist it, fully knowing that he has a wife and a very wonderful and dedicated wife back home.👏 Did he ever bother to try work his relationship with A? ⭐️ What he expected of her was only changing her dressing and getting more educated. He very well knew that she was very smart and if given a chance will excel. But he chose to opt for an easy convenient upgrade. Like always he expected the family to forgive him but to his dismay they did not. So he conveniently put the blame on child marriage and his lack of choice. Which is a lame excuse. If he tried to work out his relationship with A, told the truth to G and the world about himself and even after that he could not make things work, I would give him the benefit of doubt. But what he has done is used A to remove his frustrations and also make himself believe in his mind that she is worthless (coz he knows very well that she is not) by his numerous abuses, so that he can go and enjoy his time with another woman. Highly disgusting and scummy 🤢

Wonderfully put Andv👏. Yes Jagiya never tried to make the relationship work. He just dumped her. he should have resited such things in honour of the bond he has got tied to. That my opinion is the only solution 😊

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