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Posted: 13 years ago
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yes their was child marriage even when lord ram was married his age was 16 and sita age was around 13.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@Leo: What the TM means, is that the show, in her opinion, is stating a wrong historical fact that child marriages originated in Ancient India. Read the opening post again. And Turk/Mughals were Muslims. So there's nothing wrong with what she stated.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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well during bc era the girl's average marrital age was 16 in india...in the first millenium the average age decreased to 14..after islamic invasion it decreased to 12 and then it continued to decrease
but there are some instances of child marriage found in ancient texts..even in some version of ramayana sita got married in the age of six..but it was not the general picture ..just some exceptions...
and these are historical facts that whenever someone attacked on other country they targeted the girl's honor...even there are several instances when a hindu king attacked another hindu kingdom they destroyed the temple and soldiers made loot and plunder and raped women...(example chola attack on chalukya dynasty..(history of south india by nilkantha sastri)

but as islam was complete different culture so when islamic era started hindu society was bound to be more conservative to save them from the touch of invaders

Edited by aru_86 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: sayali_babes

@Leo: What the TM means, is that the show, in her opinion, is stating a wrong historical fact that child marriages originated in Ancient India. Read the opening post again. And Turk/Mughals were Muslims. So there's nothing wrong with what she stated.


Turks are Muslims, but that doesnt mean that they are representig Islam in right way. If they bring child marriage in India that is not according to Islam, because if you know Islamic rules girl must accept her housband otherwise (if her parents or someone obligate her) that marriage is not valid, so my opinion is that it is wrong way to say MUSLIM INVASION or something like that, he could say TURKS INVASION... 😉 P.S. I am Muslim and i graduated islamic high school so i am telling the facts
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: sayali_babes

@Leo: What the TM means, is that the show, in her opinion, is stating a wrong historical fact that child marriages originated in Ancient India. Read the opening post again. And Turk/Mughals were Muslims. So there's nothing wrong with what she stated.

see there are many customs that were not origniated in inda but were adoopted and they have now become their customs so this is also even if not oirginated but is adopted pracitced hence i feel more than pinpointingh who started it is more imp to see that even though thousand of years se horha hai it is wrong- not onyl those who started it are wrong but those who adoprted it made it ther family tradition are also wrong hence same!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I think this thread should be deleted because I don't think the tm has the right information, and will create unnecessary animosity.
I am a historian and have far better information on this. I totally reject your ideas of muslim invasions being responsible for it. Invasions and far more destructive ones have occured world over, but they never led to child marriages. (for example Mongol invasion of west Asia). In fact invasions leading to changes in the society? When? where? Warfare is something common to world societies.The origin of such ideas have to be traced in Indian society itself. In fact many of the dharmasutras (600 bce to 300 bce, that is just after vedc age, age of Buddha ) proclaim that the girl should be married of before she attains puberty. In fact Baudhayana dharmasutra proclaims that a father should marry off his daughter to a man devoid of good qualities than just keep her at home after she attains puberty!I cannot give a complete explaination for this. It is still a matter of lot debate and research! And i will have to go in the topics of caste, woman subjugation, etc. These are very big topics and can't be detailed here. But I can consider the caste sysytem, the urge to maintain it to be more responsible for it, than muslim invasions. Think of love marriages that are occuring today and are weaking caste.
Last of all even if I take muslim invasions to be responsible, how far can we wash off blame from ourselves. It was we who adopted this system right? Then. It is almost like Gauri never taking blames for her action and putting it on Anandi! Only we are responsible for what we do! Yes we do have some uncomfortable deatils in our history, but running away, denying them won't erase it. The best we can do is accept them. The germans have a blot of Hitler and holocaust, do they run away! the best way is look forward and leave history to historians. Targetting history or historians is never going to erase the past, the best we can do is become better people and humans than carry past around like a blot.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Interesting discussion and viewpoints. Enjoyed reading. 😊
We can read as an intellectual debate rather than an emotional debate going on.

As the debate started from the word PRACHEEN used by Anandi in the show, we can suspend our assumptions as to which era she was talking about. Because Pracheen means Ancient and it is definitely not a fixed numeric figure.

All ancient ages can be divided into Vedic period / ruler -name period and so on...Historians know better !




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Posted: 13 years ago
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we are responsible for our own actions and we cannot blame others for our actions as someone rightly said its like gauri blaming anandi.

the turks bought these custom according to the TM, but we were the ones to accept it and follow it and make it our custom. so the blame cannot completely go to the invasions n muslims

and to be true even in islam a girl has the right to agree or disagree, islam does not force a girl to get marry.

the turks might be following such customs but not all muslims. by saying muslim inavsion you are pointing fingers to all muslims, which might hurt some people
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Posted: 13 years ago
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My 2 cents.

All religion and culture even the white men had child marriage in its history, but then it was not called child marriage. It was just called "marriage".
Girls in the olden day knew responsibilities early. they knew what marriage meant at a very young age because there was a clear division of labour between a man and woman. the education at their time means learning sexual activities, chores, dancing, music...etc. they had no school . We should not judge their decision of marriage their children early because it was the right thing to do in their era...we will never understand their era even if we try.

My grandma married at 14 and she is African. it was the right thing to do at that time. no body is guilty...cos it was not a sin or crime back in her day.
in the old indian culture, forced marriage was not practiced, but they married early. but it was not a crime and it was not against their norms.
Now that education is here, people understand the illness in child marriage both in mental and health ways , then the world changed from that era. Protection for women and children's life took over our era and made child marriage wrong and agianst the law in all most every country in the world.

The good things about the hindus, which can also go wrong is that their culture is engraved in their hearts that its almost impossible to take it away from them, and the early marriage is one of it. While some trades are moving with time. hindus and many other culture are finding it hard to change those old tradition that they so much believe in. the the government is doing a great job to help fight against it.

I stick with this show not because they have better actors, or the hottest actors, but because of the concept, the story line, they work alot with the right information, and best of all my Hot Shiv!!!!!!!!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I think the term "Muslim Invasion" was taken wrongly. Nobody stated that Muslims STARTED IT. It was said that Hindu Orthodox customs, including child marriage, became more rigid owing to the threat to their religion from Muslims. There's a difference.

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