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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: earth1978

i agree to u 100 % the most gratifying role of mine in my life is that of a mommy. no 2 ways abt it. i also find being a wife very satisfying . altoh i think im a better mom than wife. 😭 if gauri is arrogant as a doctor, she wud have been arrogant as an engineer. in india i see a gneral negative attituide for doctors ... i have often wondered about the reasons but i dont care for them any more. apart from being a mother , i was really happy being a doctor and seeing little kids becomign healthy , mothers thanking me to make their kids alright or the satisfaction my family got when i gave them an injection or some medical advise.


@ red.
On the contrary, in India and generally amongst Indians, docs are viewed very positively. In fact in they are put on a pedestal and worshipped like a God. Parents want their kids to become docs or engineers. Actually just recently, this phenomena was challenged on SMJ because seldom do people think to question their doc or ask for a second opinion. Since the episode on SMJ about the dismal state of healthcare, a revolution is taking place, but this evolution is only a few weeks old and we have yet to see if t fizzles out. On one of your posts in this thread, even you stated that doctors are viewed next to God because they save lives.
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Posted: 13 years ago
u can see the plice brutality which hapeneed to the student doctors here :
u can see all teh blood of student doctors here :
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Posted: 13 years ago
As long as a doc is engaged in social service,he may b revered as God...but others working for self must b prepared to face public to substantiate his stand n must properly build the file to avoid legal issues... ...
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I did not see ur you tube links as I was preparing my post...
Now I had gone through 'em n absolutely sympathize with the docs...but escaping is the last resort,but not the solution...
Focus on what measures that cd b adopted rather than escaping 4m it...
Problem I do agree...is there...but we can't waste life on crying over it...turn on the efforts for solution...
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: earth1978

@ parri violence against doctors is increasing and many poeple are irresponsibly accusing them of beign negligent and defending the patients' relatives roughing them up, beating them up tot he point they susain franctures and bleed.

u can google out the incidents in jodhpur and bhopal. student doctors were beaten to the point they had to hospitalised becuase a patient died then the police raided their hostle and wielded lathi charge on helpless and defenseless studnts in their early twenties ... u can see blood on entir efloor of the hostle. gone r the days when docs werew worshippe din india. what i wrote is what i think is true about ocs. but in india ... docs are beign treated worse than anywhere i have seen.
not onyl that when the juniour doctors association went on strike to demand government o provide betetr security to student doctors ... they were cirticised by media and public alike for being irresponsible . they expect us to get beaten and do nothign about it.
forget that how many of u were willing to listen to me when i tried to outline the work pressures of being a doctor?



I just read the article (2010) you linked and I must say the comments after the article was most interesting. One commenter did say why couldn't the doctors protest responsibly by at least having a few tend to the sick within shifts. I am not going to get into an argument with you about the pros and cons of docs, their livelihood or their so called ethics. All this was discussed at length on SMJ. This incident you quote is two years old, and regardless, doctors are GENERALLY given GOD status. Nothing wrong with making a living, what's wrong is when one gets greedy at the expense of another's life, especially at the expense of the poor or uninformed.
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: earth1978


everybody has a family to run and when i have invested lakhs to beome one , i expect at least enough to manage my family. social service will not pay for my kidds food and education which r as important to me as they r to u.
so with everythign else doctors need enough remuneration to run their families and a secure environment to work for. or do u mean to say being a doctor takes awya even the basic rights other professionals take for granted!?




Ouch! U Hv changed the entire content dear doc, & I responded 2 ur previous content...
Anyways a business man can not expect godly treatment from public ...its a deal.. That's all..
I never meant 2 hurt/ criticize ur pov...this is just my pov.
However there's this need to handle the public & I recognized it... ..
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Posted: 13 years ago

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Ouch! U Hv changed the entire content dear doc, & I responded 2 ur previous content...
Anyways a business man can not expect godly treatment from public ...its a deal.. That's all..
I never meant 2 hurt/ criticize ur pov...this is just my pov.
However there's this need to handle the public & I recognized it... ..

sorry i wrote that post before i rea dur subsequent one. also im not a doc any mor eim a house wife and a mother. but i was one at some point of time in my life and hence i talked about this issue.
please an average doctor is not a bussiness man. i for one ... may be very biog doctors in very big hospitals but not all of them r like that.
also dear doctors are humans, just as u can get curropt engineers, curropt politicians u cna get curroupt doctors.
but by and large doctors re very much aware and responsible for the patients ... and recently public and media alike are thinking ... very negatively resulting in many incident sof violence across india. if u wat doctors to serve public ... ptting them under mortal fear for their live sis not a very good idea.
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: earth1978

are u even human to say what u just said. what if that blood was from ur brother or son who was toilign day in and day out to become doctor and was beaten an dhospitalised becuase one patient cud nto be saved?
i dont think even if i say ur blinded attitude will change. may be some senior doctors do what u say , r u sure there r no curropt people in ur profession?
student doctors or post graduates are most definitelty nto one of those. tehy r getting only few thousand rupees to work for th epoor. and they work , infact they over work , they never neglect ...how do i know that becuase i am one. the responsibility to have a life inur hands is so great ...
teh wards are well taken care of even in strike as senior dottors are on call ... 24 hours. that patients die due to doctrs strike is a misinformation being spread by media for wilfull demonisation of doctors.
u dont expect them to stand for their security?
no wonder the violence is increasin with people like u ... and ia m sure this wont do any good to the public at all when people stop joinging this thankelss profession at all.
i dont think the onus is on us to explain what i asked ... the onus is on you to explain ... will u go and beat up ur doc becusase he cudnt save ur relative? wud u have us son beaten bcuase he cudnt save a patient.
doctors are human ... nto gods. the god status was never demanded ... as it expects miracles.
doctors cannot pull out miracles . teh public needs to understand that. and media shud help them understand that.
sorryif i got carried away ... i have the same reactionw hen pople downplay the genocide of kashmiri pandits.


First of all, you have no right to attack me personally the way you have. I have noticed in this entire thread, if someone slightly disagrees with you, you are ready to strike with unnecessary judgements and insults. If you are going to post on a public forum, expect healthy and differing viewpoints. There is no need to get personal. You are like a ticking time bomb and so sensitive about everything. It's either your way or the highway. Please refrain from ASSUMING what I am or how I think or whether I am responsible for the violence because of my viewpoints or whether my attitude is blinded. I was having a civil discussion with you. You seem to take things too far. Perhaps it would be in your good interest to take a break from IF and come back when you are calmer. Needless to say I have reported you because all you have done for the past few hours is rant and rant. Have a good life!
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Posted: 13 years ago

First of all, you have no right to attack me personally the way you have. I have noticed in this entire thread, if someone slightly disagrees with you, you are ready to strike with unnecessary judgements and insults. If you are going to post on a public forum, expect healthy and differing viewpoints. There is no need to get personal. You are like a ticking time bomb and so sensitive about everything. It's either your way or the highway. Please refrain from ASSUMING what I am or how I think or whether I am responsible for the violence because of my viewpoints or whether my attitude is blinded. I was having a civil discussion with you. You seem to take things too far. Perhaps it would be in your good interest to take a break from IF and come back when you are calmer. Needless to say I have reported you because all you have done for the past few hours is rant and rant. Have a good life!
i had already edited my post ... i am sorry u had read it befor ei had chance to do so.
also i dont think what i done is rant. sorry if u think this way but i stood for what i thought was right.
as for reporting ... u can do what u want ... thnak u for it. my interactions both positive and negative are making me better . i thank u for doing that for me.
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Posted: 13 years ago
@ earth,
I am really feeling bad that you are bringing out the fact that how much we dont understand that docs have a extra load . No body disagree that docs have extra load, But I disagree to the fact that ONLY docs have extra load..
Every body work extra, Every body have extra load. You know the guys working in rretail stores , return home 12 in night. People working in India - IT spend nights at office during releases. Can you find out what % of globol IT work is being delivered by India? You can also see the BPO sector delivery form india. You canot even imagine which kind of circumstances Farmers work in. and how do they manage. Docs are earning well in India. There are many many people who spend more time at work, yet earn very less, and manage there life at work and at home
Now the second point where some where you have said that : One may sleep at work but a doctor can not sleep at surgury.. When an IT- Professioanl write a security software, to provide security to you across Internet, When a software is written which recognize a terrorist attact at airoplane control system, and provide you saftey when you are in air, When A machine is made for health care and it is ensure that the machine conduct the correct diagnosis, and provide accurate results, on which further treatment will be based, Do you think others can afford to sleep at work.. Or there work is not mission critical.? In a banking BPO, if one find some problem in bank balance, people immediately call to the customer care department, If the executive sleep at duty, or give some wrong info, what will happen .. Suddenly the cases of heartattack will increase.. With all This I dont want to disagree to the fact that Docs are not at the mission critical projects, But I want to say that Every body is at mission critical project and we should not only talk about talk.
Docs are very same professionals, as others. Others job is also same important as a doc.
More over I definetly disagree to the fact that : Gauri's wrong behavior should be understood provided that she is a doc ,and she had a work load. She had Surgury next morning. We have real time stories of docs when docs going through personnel break downs till the extent that some bodies son was dead and a doc has given to life to other's son before the rituals of his own son..
With a real time docs availble like so, I can not understand that she was going through some major stuff. Now We def agree that it was a party called by them, She could have another ways to communcate the same, Why the way she choosed. We dont expect Gauri to be extra ordinary, But what if she get an emergency call from hospital and she had to be there for few hours before surgury, Will she still give a reason that I need to complete my sleep and so I will not attend the emergency..
Or will she say that I have attanded an emergency last night so postpone the surgury, NO right. She would be doing..
Let us dismiss the possibilitie sof an emergency. What if she get unexpected guests at home, who have to stay with them. Now will she refuse to attend on them as she has a surgury tomorrow..
She got a confirmation during Party, She could have called J a side and could have communicated to wind up the party. If J was not listening to her, She could have taken the help of another friend who was not drunk.. like the lady who tried to stop every body to tease them.
Now to the guests, Guests were also doctors. Didnt they had important appointment next morning. Were the guests wella.?
Moreover, I have never seen a doctor full of attitude like Gauri, hiding her wrongs under status of her Doctor, in real time. All the doctors I have met , all my friends are so well versed down to earth, , so soft graceful and intelligent..
I would definetly deny the comment against doctors in India. Every body is facing same circumstances in india and so the doctors. Neither they are bad treated alone, Nor that India is against doctors. India promote doctors, the way India promote other professionals.
India an MBBS have a registration number, which is not with the engineers. Doctors have recognition in eyes of government. Students strikes, student fights etc are in every college not only in medical college. Prefessional strikes are also seen in many sectors and most of the time such strikes are not free of blood. this is definetly wrong but it is not just the case wih doctors. It is also with primary school teachers, students who fight against cast based reservations, on castisism, on and so on an so on..
Now here I want to ask one more question : Which is the country in world , where people does not have such kind of situation. Where peoplke are not carried away and where people maintains 100% peace. There no reason to comment on India for any such cause.
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