The case: Phooli Vs Gauri - Page 3

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Dear tanvi,what change can we bring out in others by screaming @'em,that their reasons are rubbish,foolish,baseless,etc.?

We are here for presenting our opinions,but not for changing the mindset of others (since its of no use).

Also our opinions always subject to change as per our personal experiences.so kindly wait patiently for a day the world changes its mindset & beg sorries
From Gauri for not elevated to the status of understanding her logics properly.

Till that day I can wait without bashing our IF family members (as mentioned above-foolish,rubbish,etc.,) & try to maintain a peaceful n joyful ambience -can u?

can we ever expect a happy n comic remark on the story 4m u, that relaxes ur untiring & unforgiving marathon!?

Lastly, you are requested to contribute the topic relevant stuff.

LET US JUDGE THE CHARACTERS - NOT THE MEMBERS!

I want little sister tanvi may not be mistaken, for the stand opted, by our members leaving a hot brain in this winter.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#22
If anyone has misunderstood me i m sory my point is how can anyone taunt g for the patient issue compare with anandi jag phone cal ,i found this comparision foolish,it was nt for any member.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#23

Originally posted by: hooked

I seriously don't get how Gauri can inspire such faithful fan following ! Their logic is as creative and as twisted as G herself does it to confuse Jagya. For each person and in each situation - G has a new logic and a new valid reason to do as she feels fit.


Kuchh bhi bolti hai - kuchh bhi karti hai. Patient haath pakde, flirt kare - sab ok. Jagya phone bhi kare to she spits fire like a volcano ?

If she's so fond of going in a car - learn driving, or hire a driver. He's just come back from a night shift, to make him go all the way back to the hospi just to drop her n come back seems quite heartless and un-loving...

Why don't such people ever suffer from laryngitis ? I know I wl have a scratchy voice for a week everytime if I screamed as she does. But she can scream bindass - noon or night endlessly !

even hitler has fans 😆😆hooked toh gauri kyaa cheez hain😆 @blue bold even many times we r like this too . listen i am no gandhi , i will be partial to my near and dear ones than some outsider,
if we dont like someone we try to find faults in that person , and if we love someone we tend to overlook their mistakes
this is basic human nature(of course there might be some exceptions , like some moralistic ppl in this forum but trust me these ppl r very few)
thats why i relate to g and j very much they come across to me real than all the characters put together in bv
see its easy to talk all morality and good stuff , what one should do this that etc etc
here in the forum but is difficult to practice it and those who do it gr8👏hats off to u
Edited by intruderfast - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#24

Originally posted by: intruderfast

even hitler has fans 😆😆hooked toh gauri kyaa cheez hain😆 @blue bold even many times we r like this too . listen i am no gandhi , i will be partial to my near and dear ones than some outsider,

if we dont like someone we try to find faults in that person , and if we love someone we tend to overlook their mistakes
this is basic human nature(of course there might be some exceptions , like some moralistic ppl in this forum but trust me these ppl r very few)
thats why i relate to g and j very much they come across to me real than all the characters put together in bv
see its easy to talk all morality and good stuff , what one should do this that etc etc
here in the forum but is difficult to practice it and those who do it gr8👏hats off to u

@bold anmol i agree on these pts wid u!! i m also not gandhi but i know the basic diff. btn rite & wrong v.clearly so i m able 2 see the faults of even my near & dear ones.
@bold red even though i can relate 2 sum qlties of both A & G but i can't defend their faults as i know they r wrong & even i always try 2 overcum those faults.
@bold purple i again agree wid u that its easy 2 talk abt morality etc. but difficult 2 practise. but only 4 those who don't've guts 2 play fair!!bcoz believe me its not even that much difficult 2 follow such ethics as world has made them. it only needs one step from the prsn. i m not jsut preaching but i try 2 even practise it 2 & i didn't find it that much difficult that its made out by ppl.i m giving u one e.g. earlier wenever i saw a beggar in the street(though here beggars r rare. atleast no local begs & max. beggars r from outside our state.) i used 2 think why 2 give them money why not sum fruit or bread pack etc. & i always hesitated thinking ppl"ll think that i m trying 2 b "mahaan"(like even in this forum & oder forum sum ppl make fun of ppl's reel or real make fun & taunt them saying "mahaan" etc.). but then one day i thot if i m doing sumthing gud & ppl've prob wid this then its not my prob but wid their thiking & upbringing. wne they r not hesitating 2 show their thinking(though itmay b bad also) then why shud i b hesitant or ashamed of helping oders?? an dnow i always give fruits like 2 bananas or an apple or small bread pack!!and now i think its not difficult but its amde difficult by oder ppl & 2 sum extent even by my hesitation!!😊😊
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Posted: 13 years ago
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dolly very good, 👏
see situations change ppl change
today i say i might never do this thing but tom majboori mein i have to do it
of course there is a line which i will not cross, but i have not maintained a code of ethics that i should follow everywhere .
if i have to bribe somebody , i will do it,
u try to get a driving license without bribing , its damn tough and will take lots of time
i am not a good person , i just have one good quality ,i am very honest , even if i cheat , do something bad i am very open abt it most of the times , even my parents know most of my bad habits too😆
Edited by intruderfast - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: intruderfast

dolly very good, 👏

see situations change ppl change
today i say i might never do this thing but tom majboori mein i have to do it
of course there is a line which i will not cross, but i have not maintained a code of ethics that i should follow everywhere .
if i have to bribe somebody , i will do it,
u try to get a driving license without bribing , its damn tough and will take lots of time
i am not a good person , i just have one good quality ,i am very honest , even if i cheat , do something bad i am very open abt it most of the times , even my parents know most of my bad habits too😆

i agree id ur 1st line also but i know that i won't do sum things atleast not 2 harm sum1 innocent & gud human being but yes like u said that in sum majboori one can do & yes may b in sum majboori but that majboori shud b strong enough & atleast 4 gud purpose!!
but yes i won't bribe any1 4 my own selfish reasons but yes if i've 2 bribe sum1 2 save sum innocent/gud human being i can do bcoz i believe in Gita's teachings that if u've 2 adopt "adharma" 2 establish "dharma" or rightousness then do that. though i'll've sum hestitaions even in this but atleast i've clear conscience 2 not harm any innocent/gud human being!!😊
@bold i agree but if u r trying not 2 get the license widout learning the driving then its not ok but if u've learnt driving but hav prob in getting license then its ok!!😆😆
@bold red we know u r not bad prsn just want 2 hear from us!!😉😉😆😆and atleast its gud that ur parents know abt ur bad habits.its much better that parents know ur habits gud or bad!!😊😊
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Posted: 13 years ago
#27
Gauri did not drag J for her own selfish reason only; she dragged him to jetsar because she thought that Singh family, like any other family, will give priority towards their son and everything will be okay.

Often people get married first and then tell the parents with the hope that parents might accept the marriage eventually.

In jetsar, they did not stay for too long because Gauri wanted it. JG were leaving the haveli when DS started the whole drama of accepting G as wife because she wanted to break JG relation.

As far as shouting before the villagers are concerned, she was blamed by the villagers first and she had to fight her case. At that time, G thought that she is the legal wife of J. Though J should have shut the villagers mouth, J used to remain silent. He was too weak to face the heat. So G had to say something - may be she could have done it calmly, but G could not have just taken all the blame silently.

After that, G told J umpteen no. of times to go back to mumbai, but that time, J never could book tickets for Mumbai!! J himself was trying his level best to get accepted by the family.


After knowing the illegality of marriage, G knew that her case is lost. Whatever she might wanted to prove before the Singh family has no ground. If she would have thought about herself only, then she should have left J at that time. She had nothing to gain from the relationship. But J again made her believe that he is nothing without her. So she stayed on. She was dumb to believe J, had no self respect and even stupid to carry on such illegal activity, but if she would not have thought about J, she would not have stayed with him also.

Now what she expected is that J will cut ties with A forever - mentally as well as physically. But she knew that J has not forgotten A. With time she has seen that J remembers A, praises A, compares her with A, makes secret financial arrangements with A, he can put his life in danger for A but not for her - so her insecurity increased and she turned more jealous of A.


After her pregnancy, G had several doubts about having the child because of their illegal/legal marriage status. She was hurt that the singh family is not even accepting the child who basically belongs to their family. They are not only rejecting her but they are also rejecting their own family member because she was going to give birth to him/her.


On the other hand, J kept telling her that everything will be okay in the family after having the child. So G has to accept a situation where she would find herself in more trouble with the child but the assumption that family will get united will not come true.

If G would have thought about herself, she would have aborted the child instead of listening to J. Bhaad mein jaaye J and his family - she understood very well that the family would never going to accept it and nothing will change for the child. Only there will be more problem for her in future.
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Phooli's parents did not think about daughter's second life. Her father only saw the money that he was offered.

Just because, phooli was married to one of the sons of that family does not mean that they have to give their daughter to another son in the "natha pratha" . Phooli's family had other options to get out of the trouble but her father sought the easier way - ladki bhi gayi, paisa bhi mila 🤢


If anyone can justify Phooli's parents then I think G can be justified too with some reasons. 😆
Edited by doyelpakhi - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#28
There is no point defending any logic if it can't be read thru in full.

Nobody is defending Phuli's parents. It was said that Phooli was a weakling coz she did not check up enuf on her hubby to be and did not stand upto her parents. Whereas - Phooli was threatened by suicide of her parents if she did not accept right away. I was defending Phooli - I will still say no one can let her parents kill themselves if they can help it - Phooli agreed to it coz of her parents.

Repeat - I never defended her parents. Her parents knew Ds n family wl support them with funds if they had asked, they didn't sell their daughter - like G's parents had done to DS.
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As for G's selflessness in thinking about extending the family line of the Haveli despite so many hardships to herself -
G herself also thought that the kid will be her ticket to being accepted. Even after knowing when the family did nothing to celebrate - G cud have kept or aborted - she kept it coz her mentor - Shivani - urged her to. (Shivani had aborted her own kid in favor of her career once and later lost her husband n regretted her decision to abort - hence her advice to G to keep the baby.)

When u defend a character's actions - pls keep the serial reality in mind.

Yes, DS thought their own insecurities might break them up if they stayed longer- but did DS call them to Jaitser in the first place ? Did she physically stop them from leaving ? Did DS not suffer a loss of face bcoz of her own grandson and his city wife's open romance in daylight ? Hasn't DS already been punished all those years back by the collective panchayat for marrying J twice ? Hadn't DS apologised then to all concerned ?

G wanted to leave n J wanted to be accepted yes - AFTER J did not want to come in the first place and she dragged him here coz she wanted blessings. Notice - the extensive use of who WANTS, WANTS, WANTS...

I can carry on n on about her selfless acts - but can't afford to repeat myself endlessly...

G n her parents just don't want to remember the panchayat's decision or her parents discarding her. But they n she don't ever want to forget she was married to J.

Edited by hooked - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#29
Every situation, every case is different. I donnot think that things are too difficult its us who makes situation or things difficult. I donnot say that Gauri is 100% wrong but she is not right either. Like the moral values or ethics are easy to say but difficult to practise likewise it is easy to say that " i will cut off my relation with my family or my past" but hard to do. First is always first and its obvious comparison will be there between two persons. Gauri should accept that and should give some time to herself and J so that things fall on place. Insecurities will be there but just for those insecurities one cannot assume that the other party is bad or anything negative.
Phooli and G case is completely different. Their cases are different because Phooli said yes because her father tried to kill himself ( one cannot wait and try to find out the boy's background when parents threaten to kill themself at that very time. Whereas G had time to analyse what is right and wrong and what would be best in the long run .
Secondly, there is social acceptance from both the side in P case but in G case only her parents supported her. But one similarity both thinks about the situation in a narrow perspective .
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I haven't read the entire conversation, so do not know if this point has been made earlier. But legally and socially there is a huge difference between Gauri and Phooli.

Phooli is brought in as a surrogate mother because the wife is unable to conceive. Surrogacy is recognized in India as a legal alternative. Biggest case in point is actor Aamir Khan opting for surrogacy because his current wife is unable to conceive. Socially also the tradition under which she's been brought to the house is one under which widows accept the protection of a male member of the husband's family in return for quasi-social acceptance.

However, in Phooli's case she is being cheated. She thought she was coming in as the wife but her status is only that of a concubine. She is not giving up her child willingly, but is being conned into giving up the child by her in-laws. There is no willing renunciation of rights by Phooli.

In Gauri's case she is asking for the rights of a wife - legally and socially. Both of which are not possible as has been discussed at length earlier. Gauri has walked into this situation with her eyes open. She knew the facts of the matter and where and how she stands. Just because she chooses to ignore or deny Anandi's rights or legal position does not make her right.

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