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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: gangubai1

Actually Payal the panchayat was aware that Phooli is going under Naata and it was the Sarpanch at that time who told Phooli's father that he should consider the Naata since it was a good option for Phooli's future.

Secondly, Naata is a socially recognized practice in that area. There was no fraud in that case, since the MIL insisted that they wanted only a Naata and not a marriage. So Phooli can't claim that it was rape. Yes there is an absence of written agreement, but who is to prove or disprove a verbal agreement? Esp. since Phooli's father celebrated the Naata by inviting the entire village and all? Can he say that he was mislead.

A Naata is normally of one year's duration and that is approximately the time that Phooli has spent with her in-laws, again social sanction exists. Normally in a Naata the children borne during this period belong to the father, since most women are unwilling or incapable of taking care of the children. If the father doesn't accept the child then the child is usually sent to an orphanage. This I'm talking about the prevalent social practice.

Even Phooli claims her rights over the child, she would still have to look at Bharat's family to provide her financial assistance. Since she is a widow, she cannot give a legal father's name to the child, he'll grow up to be a bas***d. Coming from a poor destitute family she cannot assure that the child will have a good education, upbringing and future. Even if she goes to the court to demand her rights, the custody will be awarded to Bharat because he can give the child a legal status, financial support, and a bright future. Plus his wife is willing to accept the child, so Phooli can't even claim that the child will grow up without maternal care.


firstlly who cares about panchayat..we are talking about legal rights and punishments here.infact if in court it is proved the panchayat is giving encouragement to such customs those people will be in danger too.

secondly pls chk the law the custody of such a small kid always goes to the mother and financial status doesnt matter.as far as bharat's wife's WISH is concerned the court can never ask a mother to give its child to the child's cheater father's wife just because she is dying to accept it and yes let first bharat come out of rape case uske baad custody ki baad aayegi.Bcoz law says even having sex with somebody my misleading your marrital status is a part of rape just like leaving your wife a few days after marriage is a rape case.After all money cant buy everything

lastly phooli's parents were told bharat had no connections with his first wife.It was a naata but to give their daughter a secure life by Phooli's parents.the child part has been hidden intentionally and that will definitely be in light as bharat's parents do not own the whole village that whatever they speak will be considered truth and whatever others speak is false


Edited by payalgarg - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: sreevask

Can a husband with a living first wife opt for nata?


nata ki chodo yaar.gaav ki loge hamesha aadmi ki convenience ke according saare customs banate hain
Edited by payalgarg - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: sreevask

How can Phooli be saved 4m this hardship?



if i had been there I would have asked the first wife to get out of bharat's life and would ask bharat to permanently marry phooli because these are the two people who conspired aginst innocent phooli especially bharat's wife and she should pay back by ruining her own life as a COMPENSATION
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: sreevask

There may be several similarities between Phooli & Gauri,social status wise.

What are the differences between them legally n morally ?

What's the way out for both?

What can Anandi do judiciously
where as she herself is a victim of injustice by male chauvinistic society ????

Phooli is a victim of a corrupted social custom.She was unwilling to marry but was coerced to do so by her parents.Gauri willingly went for the relationship with Jaggya by depriving Anandi of her legal rights.As for Anandi,well she is too fond of Jaggya to take any action against him.She'll rush to right a wrong for others but is helpless in her own case.Ironical isnt it?
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Posted: 13 years ago
CVs r successful in building the sympathy over the victims of social evils which majority of Indians r unaware of.
But now it's enough of disheartening punishment to the hearts of gold; Anandi & Phooli...
Can't bear anymore...let the solution b shown @ the earliest...
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Posted: 13 years ago
In my POV, this case must go to the courts and It should be a case of fradulence, humiliation, inhumanity and victim of cruel social custom. Then Bharat's family should be punished. Even if Phooli's parents need to go to jail, so be it... The only person who should get justice here is Phooli
If for some reason she can't get custody over her child, then that's still fine, but Bharat can't just go away with what he did and let Phooli be used and thrown..
There are 2 points Phooli can use in court to get her child back..
1) Bharat's wife will not be agood mother becuase; A lady who is extremely cunning, scheming,rude and selfish, who cannot understand another mother's pain, cannot deserve to be a mother of someone else's child.
2) .. ' what if one fine day Bharat's wife concieves (miracles happen) ?' then will she be able to love Ghansham in the same manner, given that she is extremely selfish.
I am not writing any of these based on any knowledge of law... I am just thinking through... so no offence to anyone...
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Posted: 13 years ago
Hope n wish CVs' angels - Anandi,Asha & Phooli get justice.

Think Phooli will go for hunger strike supported by A,A n teacherji, shivani,media, & the district collector intervenes to get her child back.
Hope Anandi plays a big role in taking the issue to the collector n bags the first success.
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Posted: 13 years ago
Wish the district collector is dynamic muscular unmarried young chap loves n marries Anandi.
May the changed Shravan marry Asha & Heth singh's son(repented) marries gulli.
Some new guy marry Phooli...
& as far as the teams to go to jail,
Jagat,bharat,his mom n wife.
...
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: gangubai1

Even if she goes to the court to demand her rights, the custody will be awarded to Bharat because he can give the child a legal status, financial support, and a bright future. Plus his wife is willing to accept the child, so Phooli can't even claim that the child will grow up without maternal care.

I don't think this is right... Naata is recognised by the village, but not by law. And in India, Courts, who give decisions based on law are more powerful than the Panchayats.

So even if the panchayat makes such decisions of giving the child to the father, phooli can always give a police complaint and go to court and the court will usually rule in favour of the mother.
Even if the mother is not financially capable of taking care of the baby, the court will ask the father to provide for maintenance. What you are talking about - Financial stability, legal status (not sure what u meant by that), bright future will be considered only by society esp in villages, but not by law.
So if phooli goes to court, she will get the custody of her kid and if her case is strong enough, she can even punish her husband.
However, i am not sure of punishing, because her husband's family had not hidden from them that he has already married, nor they had a second marriage.
Edited by lakshmim_84 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: Missesha

In my POV, this case must go to the courts and It should be a case of fradulence, humiliation, inhumanity and victim of cruel social custom. Then Bharat's family should be punished. Even if Phooli's parents need to go to jail, so be it... The only person who should get justice here is Phooli

If for some reason she can't get custody over her child, then that's still fine, but Bharat can't just go away with what he did and let Phooli be used and thrown..
There are 2 points Phooli can use in court to get her child back..
1) Bharat's wife will not be agood mother becuase; A lady who is extremely cunning, scheming,rude and selfish, who cannot understand another mother's pain, cannot deserve to be a mother of someone else's child.
2) .. ' what if one fine day Bharat's wife concieves (miracles happen) ?' then will she be able to love Ghansham in the same manner, given that she is extremely selfish.
I am not writing any of these based on any knowledge of law... I am just thinking through... so no offence to anyone...


you are forgetting the most important point,it is HER child and why will she give it to somebody else even if they take good care of him or care about him even after conceiving.The law cant force Phooli to do that.Phooli doesnt require these lame excuses to keep her own child
Edited by payalgarg - 13 years ago

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