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tinoo

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Posted: 13 years ago

#81

Originally posted by: hooked
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It is also excellent to air this so that any girl's parents considering this NAATA, may see the horrible consequences and back out in time.

I dont think that airing this really makes a difference because parents who consider Naata (like phoolis parents)... or those who consider second marriages (like gauri's parents the first time around when she was young) are really NOT concerned about consequences to the girl.

It is all about economics -- the parents need the money and they will sell the girl into all sorts of illicit relationships which are just prostitution and commodification of the girl.

Higher economic power parents will always insist on marriage - a proper marriage.

At the time, sumitra had questioned phoolis parents about why nata pratha -- and her dad had said that marriage is all very well for badi haveli types like you -- i have a liability on my hands and i will do nata pratha.

same with gauris parents. they didnt care either.

After they get the money, it is all over and done with. the girl was just like a commodity to be sold.

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hooked

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Posted: 13 years ago

#82

Originally posted by: gangubai1
But that's my point, when there is a dispute about a verbal discussion held behind closed doors, who is to say who is right and who is lying. The MIL can claim that she told Phooli's dad the real reason and she paid more than the usual "jhagda" just for this. Is there some way that Phooli's dad can disprove that? Nor can he deny that he took the money.

True enough ! Nothing is stopping Phooli's MIL from saying this is just a case of "he said-she said".

I still think that even if Phooli's kid is never given back to her - that itself is not a bad thing to show too. Maybe its a better thing to show - so girls in this situation can see what all can happen to them. And if we have women as sarpanch, that is going to affect the outcome of a verdict substantially.

Leaving the serial outcome aside - I still think unless efforts are made to bring awareness to a problem, we can never hope to resolve them. We have to put a spotlight on them n acknowledge them - that has to be the first step !

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hooked

@hooked

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Posted: 13 years ago

#83

Originally posted by: tinoo

I dont think that airing this really makes a difference because parents who consider Naata (like phoolis parents)... or those who consider second marriages (like gauri's parents the first time around when she was young) are really NOT concerned about consequences to the girl.

It is all about economics-

After they get the money, it is all over and done with. the girl was just like a commodity to be sold.

So what would you prefer ? Watching our actors dance in the streets in Switzerland ?

We still have to try to make an effort to improve the quality of life and bring more equality for the sexes in the rest of our country ! Just saying - this won't help n that won't help - is actually NOT HELPING EITHER.

The serial can try to show a sample case and show how they might like to have it resolved.

- Bring Awareness

- Generate Interest

- Encourage Debate

- Formulate a law.

But Awareness has to be brought !!

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Purva

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Posted: 13 years ago

#84

Originally posted by: hooked

So what would you prefer ? Watching our actors dance in the streets in Switzerland ?

We still have to try to make an effort to improve the quality of life and bring more equality for the sexes in the rest of our country ! Just saying - this won't help n that won't help - is actually NOT HELPING EITHER.

The serial can try to show a sample case and show how they might like to have it resolved.
- Bring Awareness
- Generate Interest
- Encourage Debate
- Formulate a law.

But Awareness has to be brought !!

I agree with your point here, Also, forget about villages, how many from the educated and urban audiences are aware of what all types of exploitation women have to undergo in rural areas. True we know it an intellectual level but never face it. Till this issue came up in the serial I was not aware of the intricacies of the tradition, the legal protection or even that such a practice existed. I had to go out and look for information, so did most of us. Isn't seeing a problem the first step in countering it?

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payalgarg

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Posted: 13 years ago

#85

Originally posted by: tanvismile
Yes she said mai har jaoungi which means she wil lose,she wil lose her home,she can see her Home breaking ,she never said ki mai anandi se har zaungi,but what to do ,log apna own matlab nikalte hain jo uhne aacha lage .

if she breaks another woman's home she will see her own home breaking too

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Purva

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Posted: 13 years ago

#86

Please Payal, can we give Gauri a rest here? Gauri vs. Anandi has been discussed so much that there is nothing new left to say by anyone.

I was enjoying the discussion so far, and I'm dreading returning to Gauri and Anandi. Not sure if I have the right to request anyone to not say something they want to, but it is a humble request.

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payalgarg

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Posted: 13 years ago

#87

Originally posted by: gangubai1
Sreevask

Under surrogacy laws the biological mother has no claims over the child. The birth certificate of the child will carry the name of Bharat's legal wife. The child belongs to Bharat and his wife. They are only obligated to take care of the surrogate mother for the duration of the childbirth. Any compensation over and above that is based on mutual understanding of the two parties. Since Phooli never questioned her in-laws and since her father did receive a hefty cash-filled suitcase from her mother-in-law prior tot he ceremony, there is nothing more that PHooli can claim.

before u claim one more time that the child belong to the🤬husband wife duo let me tell you for surrogacy a written agreement is there which is not present in phooli's case.This is actually a rape case.let me tell you if you leave your wife a few days after marriage that is considered a rape case because the marriage is just then considered as a token to have sex and kick out the the wife.Now if you are in a marriage and you hide your marrital status from another girl and have sex with her that is also a rape and fraud case and bharat and his family has to suffer for that...and yes...the child is very well phooli's as there is no law saying that if a woman who has a child without marriage has to give the child to the child's father's wife.One more thing,since surrogacy is not on paper and naata is not accepted by law what grounds does bharat and his conspirer wife have to claim phooli's child?pls chk on that first before you try to analyse the strength in phooli's claim over her own child(which can very well be proved by DNA test)

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payalgarg

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Posted: 13 years ago

#88

Originally posted by: sreevask
Sacrifice had been done by Anandi.

Anandi had sacrificed her husband for the sake of love towards J.

Should Anandi advice Phooli's husband's first wife to sacrifice the husband for Phooli,just as Anandi did for Gauri.????

Here I mean sacrifice as tyag,just leaving...not any ritual kind of thing.

tyag means ONLY to LEAVE not SNATCH something.

Secondly Since I have alraedy told you the difference between Gauri and Phooli and it seems you have understood but pretending as if you havent so I will not repeat it .

Lastly I will be the happiest person on earth if bharat's first wife has to leave him on moral grounds that she ruined an innocent life like a prostitute just for her own selfish motive and her husabnd was equally involved so she should pay it back now by ruining her own life and living without bharat

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hooked

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Posted: 13 years ago

#89

The point is not that anyone doubts Phooli is the biological mother. The thing is that "naata" apparently exists as an accepted village practise. AND Phooli's MIL specifically said she is taking Phooli away as a "naata" wife and not a legal wedded wife.

Hence the panchayat may not find P's MIL guilty of fraud. It sickens me too but I am keeping my fingers crossed an hoping there must be some other clause - that I don't know about - which favors Phooli.

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payalgarg

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Posted: 13 years ago

#90

Originally posted by: hooked
The point is not that anyone doubts Phooli is the biological mother. The thing is that "naata" apparently exists as an accepted village practise. AND Phooli's MIL specifically said she is taking Phooli away as a "naata" wife and not a legal wedded wife.

Hence the panchayat may not find P's MIL guilty of fraud. It sickens me too but I am keeping my fingers crossed an hoping there must be some other clause - that I don't know about - which favors Phooli.

I have never seen a panchayat taking impartial decisions.It is always biased and men are winner.So forget it.let phooli move to court and let bharat go to jail in rape case as having sex with a women by misleading her is also considered as rape

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