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Posted: 13 years ago
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exactly. teaching jg a lesson cannot come at the cost of anandi's well being.
it cannot be an either/or kind of deal. and why should it be?
ideally cv's should show a punishment track which is an 'and'
anandi progresses AND gaga are taught a lesson.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I agree that we can't make Anandi leave the haveli until she wants to do so herself. I also agree that she shud not have to leave it coz she has done no wrong. J chose another woman - J moved out, J can come back n visit but A's stay shud not get affected by his coming or going.

What does bother me is A's meddling in JG affairs no matter how well she wishes for them. Their finances for example - J's dad had a right to decide whether he wants his son to have funds or be denied - but A interfered. G fainted and called J and refused to tell the reason so J asked A and she divulged such intimate news that shud be limited to a couple and thus interfered.

Now currently the family does not seem to want to accept the baby but A is already making plans to make them accept it and is thus interfering...

Why must A be such a busybody ? If she sticks her nose in too many places, she deserves to have it cut off some times. Stay in the haveli but mind your own business - don't assume the yet to be born kid is an orphan with no one to look out for him/her...the kid has parents who r quite capable of getting it rights, they haven't asked for A's help and neither will they like her butting in. Hope A burns her fingers big time and maybe learns to keep a distance from JG.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: tinoo

The one thing I do have issues with is anandi talking to gauri and jagya and getting involved in legitimizing the parpotha.

Anandi if she stays in the haveli should just pretend that gauri and jagya are invisible. She should just focus on herself and lead her own life and become happy. Run her adult education classes, file her court cases etc. all in front of their eyes, and just not get involved in their lives...but do everything to show them that gauri has not got the better of her. That she has her own independent and full life.
Here she just sits crying, and making plans for the parpotha and his acceptance by dadisa. it is this that i dislike.



The thing is tinoo.. we dislike a LOT of things. I don't like it too but I tend to find excuses and look at their POV.

Anandi is wrong according to me many times but I look at it as is she wrong from her own eyes?

She is doing something , what ever it is, cause she believes thats correct and to some extent her reasoning is not wrong too. So I find excuses for her.


as long as she does not harm anyone else I am fine.

But she is harming herself.. and a person who harms themselves cannot be helped unless they want to be helped. Unless and until she realizes and recognizes that she NEEDs help , and has to rise above the situation by becoming totally independent, we really cannot do anything. NO one can do anything.

Such people are not mahan , thats why I get upset when someone calls her mahan cause she is not doing what ever she is doing because she is mahaan. Rather its cause she is weak. She does not have self confidence to actually rise above her situation adn fight for herself.

To fight for others sometimes is easy than to fight for one own self.

sometimes vice versa.. it depends on the situation and here, Anandi is weak and kind of blames herself for loosing jagya and indirectly punishing herself by forcing herself to staying with his family.

Her true happiness lies with Jagya. She truly loves him.
Its not with books its not with success but with Jagya. She wants him back and subconsciously wants to stay connected with everythings that connects with him and her nice=ness to gauri is also part of that.

Gauri is what Jagya wanted Anandi to be. Anandi can never be gauri , cause Anandi is above gauri but Jagya wants gauri and Anandi is obsessed about her too and soon, she will be obsessed about their child as well and that is why she is fighting to give the unborn child her rights from now on. Not be mahaan really, because he/she is linked with jagya.




Its all linked with Jagya. Anything and Anything thats got to do with Jagya, she will agree and stick with.

Is she wrong. I honestly don't know.

thats how she is.




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Posted: 13 years ago
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Anandi is not wrong...but she has to understand that there r many better things which she can do rather than staying in haveli and thinking about singh family! she is not mahaan...she still cant understand her priorities!
those could be ok if she wont have any other choices but she has!!
baas...
only thing she needs to realise!
if she wont support singh family then nothing much can happen to them but if singh family wont support her in future...much more bad can happen to her!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: hooked


Now currently the family does not seem to want to accept the baby but A is already making plans to make them accept it and is thus interfering...

This was a's arrogant presumption that they would not accept the baby. It may be a correct assessment, but at the time she was crying and giving the monologue speech to herself about baby's rights -- she really did not have any concrete evidence that they would not do it. For all she knew, dadisa might have been downstairs in the mandir offering prayers and asking makhan to distribute sweets. She had no inkling what the family's decision would be.
It is one thing if the singh family first says - we dont want the child, and then she advocates for the child's rights. But it is another thing if she jumps the gun, presumes the child will not be accepted, and then again jumps into the frey as a self-styled advocate of the child.
All she has to do is to tell the singhs as a blanket statement -- "listen, i love you, and i want to stay here. Please take whatever decisions you want about J, G, the baby, his funds, etc. etc. based on your own decisions... and do not bias your decisions based on my feelings. I wont feel hurt. I am removing myself from this entire web of jagya and his sansaar". If they decide to do something, well and good. If they decide to not do it, that too is fine. That is their decision.
and sort of lead a life like asha does. She goes to the temple, interacts with sadhus, does her own prayer and introspection and does not interfere in any of madan singh's household activities or his outside activities.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Such people are not mahan , thats why I get upset when someone calls her mahan cause she is not doing what ever she is doing because she is mahaan. Rather its cause she is weak. She does not have self confidence to actually rise above her situation adn fight for herself.

This is a fascinating insight into psychology !!! thanks. and it makes perfect sense.
to do something from a place of strength is completely different from a place of weakness. i agree.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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So then, maybe the person we need to focus on is Bhairon. Why shud he not be percewptive enuf to see that A staying @haveli is just miring her down in the daily grind and not getting her anywhere ?

Maybe Bhairon needs to at some stage have an epiphany and realize that his only atonement for spoiling an8 yr old's life is to make it up to her and push her into a new life - one that she might resist at the start as she won't want to move out but as all parents know - sometimes we have to push our kids into doing things that are not pleasant to them initially but will benefit them in the long run. - vaccines, going to school, studying for good scores, sharing toys...the list is endless.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@hooked - yes. and maybe some sort of transitional arrangement is required.
perhaps, until anandi finds her feet, bhairon takes a flat on rent in jaipur, enrolls her in a b.a. in social work program, and sends sumitra there to stay with anandi in the flat, so that she does not feel completely like a fish out of water... and he and dadisa can make a trip every weekend.
It is not like sumitra has any great duties at home or children to take care of where she is needed at the haveli. she can stay with anandi, until anandi makes friends and then transitions to a hostel.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Suchi-NivReniac


Her true happiness lies with Jagya. She truly loves him.
Its not with books its not with success but with Jagya. She wants him back and subconsciously wants to stay connected with everythings that connects with him and her nice=ness to gauri is also part of that.

I am not saying that she should try to forget jag completely…it is not so easy….it is completely fine for me..if she keeps it in her heart without letting others to know .

Moving on means try to improve herself and achieve something in her life…and she is capable of that…

If she will remain single in her whole life with a self made identity then that's even fine, she should not let others to take adv from her! 😒

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: tinoo

This was a's arrogant presumption that they would not accept the baby. It may be a correct assessment, but at the time she was crying and giving the monologue speech to herself about baby's rights -- she really did not have any concrete evidence that they would not do it. For all she knew, dadisa might have been downstairs in the mandir offering prayers and asking makhan to distribute sweets. She had no inkling what the family's decision would be.
It is one thing if the singh family first says - we dont want the child, and then she advocates for the child's rights. But it is another thing if she jumps the gun, presumes the child will not be accepted, and then again jumps into the frey as a self-styled advocate of the child.



This is my thinking of why she did what she did. It goes back to her linking her every moment of breath with jagya.
If she would have stayed away and let the family decide about the child, that means the child will have NOTHING to with Anandi anymore and she will not be in the picture .. in.. lets say decision making about his life.

So now, Anandi, Mind you she is doing all of this subconsciously, realises that if the decision was left to the family then what will happen?

Ds will agree or disagree. And if the child in question comes into existence, it will have a relationship with the singh family ( even if they like it or not) eventually making place in their life ( now or years later)

in all of this where will Anandi be? away from that child's life? the child of Jagya?

No way.. to that Anandi will never agree ( subconsciously)

Now, she jumps in , trying to save that baby's rights. Its not arrogance, but its wanting involvement.

So now the total equation changes. THe family who might have said no or yes in giving the rights to the child, will now have to recognize Anandi's voice in it.

So in the future, the child will always be linked to Anandi. that its cause of her he/she got the rights or else , that right would have never reached him/her.

Thus Anandi maintains that link.


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Its all psychological. Not arrogance but wanting to stay in the picture.

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I kind of like her subconscious mind. It does what it wants and achieves it and I wouldn't be surprised if few months/years down the lane, it will create situations where, Jagya will start loving (?) Anandi again and leaving gauri.

Again, the subconscious mind already put in the plot ... remember when Jagya was leaving and they had that one last talk .. Anandi said, don't do to gauri what you did to me.

That was a trigger .. Jagya always does what he is not supposed to do .


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Honestly there is a lot of mind games here.. I think we have to look beyond to apparent picture to understand Anandi.

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