The importance of relationships

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Posted: 14 years ago
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If you have grown up in India, or if you watch Indian films and TV serials, you will have heard the janam-janam ka saath dialogue hundreds of times. I was wondering how it can have any value when Dadisaa has announced at least a dozen times since the beginning of the show that she has nothing to do with Anandi or Gehna. How can she break off a relationship so easily when it is supposed to span several lifetimes? Or is this dialogue only for women and men don't need to have this rishta?😕She can get rid of her beendhnis any time she wants. Is the position of women in Indian homes so bad that they can get thrown out at any time?
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I too wondered about the janam-janam ka saath theory🤔,very good if the couple are compatible but imagine having each other for 7 janams if they irritate the hell out of each other😵-7 janamon mein mahabharat chalthi rahegi..😆
Also if one has 2 wives,like jagya, is it still valid for 7 janams?..Hope Mother in laws dont come with 7 janam warranty package 😉too otherwise these beendnis will be stuck with dadisa.
With dadisa its either"you listen to me varna 7 janam toh kyaa 7 minute mein ghar se nikaal doongi", Total subservience or get out of my house..Absolutely right that most of these regressive rules are for women in indian society👎🏼 -sad but true..hamare samaaj mein sati hameshaa aurat hi hothi hai....😒
Unless women become economically independent ,start being assertive nothing will change -Had gehna being educated ,economically independent she would have left the house with nandu and dadisa ki dadagiri bilkul nahi chalthii..So get educated ,stand on your own feet then people like dadisa 😡will think twice before issuing such 'get out of my house' ultimatums ...
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Posted: 14 years ago
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great question ambodidi... and well put.... 👏
high time women think of having a life of their own... above this janam-janam cliche... and so funny na... even marriages without consent are said to b for a life time... recite a few mantras n they companionship is cemented?? then find some such mantras for dear darling dadisa too so that she cant jump on to that "outta ma house" dialogue every other minute 😉


@jyo....
i cant stop laughing 😉 🤣 🤣... 7 janams package with MIL??? baap re!! mein to mar gayi 😉 these poor beendnis apne apne patidevon ko hi nahi sambhal paatey 7 din... aur MIL bhi saath mein aagayi toh??? usse achcha hoga woh masdoori karke jeevan bita lete...

would be great to have them educated and financially independent... but the sad fact remains that even tht doesnt make them self assertive in india... i know so many women who doesnt have the right on their own earnings... its a male dominated society yaar... u raise ur voice against something wrong, and u are another gehna! every one is against u the very next moment... and again the same old lectures- that its the woman who has the locker keys for the family's izzat... the more the woman forgives the greater she becomes etc etc... shayad sainthood bhi mil jaayega 😉 and fighting a one woman battle is not easy... things need to change... n lets hope it will... but sad that it doesnt happen overnight 😔


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Posted: 14 years ago
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just one thing to ask........... one question for all girls out here....... whether they r DIL or not.........
the woman who has the locker keys for the family's izzat!
don't u all realize this statement is true........if yes, then y it has been denoted as lecture n no1 has replied....... favouring the right is not wrong, but if things r turning wrong n harming ur family's or ur in-laws' reputation in society........... will u still just think about urself, will u just be nothing but selfish?
it's woman/girl is the one who always suffers in such cases......... whether she says yes or she says no!!!
yes.... they r only one who can make or break a family!! i didn't found anything wrong if gehna bowed down after maasa for sake of wellness of other ladies in the house!
somethings need to be seriously discussed!

i m really disappointed with those who r making fun of relationship here, whether it's about husband or MIL!! ppl r favouring n encouraging one curse (bigamy) just to get rid of orthodox thoughts....!
guys... BV is a fiction more or less....... but helpless, dependency in case of woman/girls doesn't exist only in rural section of our country......... it really need guts to go beyond ur limits n break all the rules...... u need to face obligations n many other problems...... success is not an easy achievement, n for everyone!! human suffering from such situations looses their real n self if they really need to survive in it!

yes......... we need a change......... but who r making fun........ sorry i don't expect that change atleast from their side!
i know we r attached with the show n actors/characters..... if anything is wrong, show ur aggression, but plz don't make fun of it......!


now talking about janam janam ka rishta, it's not only in serials, drama or films....... if u've grown up in INDIA, u really mean it!! no1 can't get rid of relationship so easily....... if it's maasa who recites 'outta my house', if she really don't have believed in janam janam ka rishta... n CVs have really shown that........ na gehna wapas aati aur na hi anandi! aur might be.... sumitra bhi wapas ja chuki hoti.....!

no offense, just made my POV like others!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: sudss

great question ambodidi... and well put.... 👏

high time women think of having a life of their own... above this janam-janam cliche... and so funny na... even marriages without consent are said to b for a life time... recite a few mantras n they companionship is cemented?? then find some such mantras for dear darling dadisa too so that she cant jump on to that "outta ma house" dialogue every other minute 😉


@jyo....
i cant stop laughing 😉 🤣 🤣... 7 janams package with MIL??? baap re!! mein to mar gayi 😉 these poor beendnis apne apne patidevon ko hi nahi sambhal paatey 7 din... aur MIL bhi saath mein aagayi toh??? usse achcha hoga woh masdoori karke jeevan bita lete...

would be great to have them educated and financially independent... but the sad fact remains that even tht doesnt make them self assertive in india... i know so many women who doesnt have the right on their own earnings... its a male dominated society yaar... u raise ur voice against something wrong, and u are another gehna! every one is against u the very next moment... and again the same old lectures- that its the woman who has the locker keys for the family's izzat... the more the woman forgives the greater she becomes etc etc... shayad sainthood bhi mil jaayega 😉 and fighting a one woman battle is not easy... things need to change... n lets hope it will... but sad that it doesnt happen overnight 😔


hehe😆ek janam toh pareshaan kiyaa ab next 6 janams ke torture kii bhhi planning kar lii woh bhii MILs ke saath........
Totally true sudss👍🏼 education alone doesn't make you assertive but if she is kicked out by her inlaws ,doesnt have any family, atleast she will get a better job than mazdoori by being educated.. Yep,i too seen women who earn but have to get inlaws permission to spend their own money,they are made to feel so guilty😲 when they spend money on themselves..
This male dominated society always puts them up a pedestal honoring them with DEVI titles,one mistake and suddenly they are demoted to DAAYANS -one extreme to another ,nothing in between🤔..
With more and more women getting jobs its like they are encroaching into a world that was previously male dominated..Some men will resent that,even some MILs but society will slowly accept; more importantly womenfolk themselves wouldn't be apologetic of their own financial independence and stop the over sacrificing mentality..Slowly but surely things will change.for better.........😍
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Posted: 14 years ago
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@ ambodidi, sudss & jyo - Couldn't agree more gals...I personally find this 7 janam stuff to be bulls*** 😆.. no offense meant towards anyone or any tradition...I am a proud Indian..born and brought up in India..though I dont live there anymore..I still have my values intact...happily married (followed all Hindu customs and traditions) BUT..I believe in present and living life as it comes...all this janam janam natak is good to read in books, indian tv serials and fairy tales....first of all who has seen life after death to talk about another janam? I dont understand that part ! I mean ek life mein acche se rahe wahi badi baath hai...to talk about tagging along for 7 lives is outrageous ! and yeaaa if people believe that a couple will be together for 7 janams then why not the whole family? why only the significant other?

I can argue with several points on this topic..but will chose not to..considering I am having a huge time constraint as of now...so will rest my case with the fact that..it all depends on what we believe in and the way of life we chose to live...

@jyo - 7 janam package with MIL 😆 😆 you cracked me up with that one liner 🤣
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Neha_K

just one thing to ask........... one question for all girls out here....... whether they r DIL or not......... [/quote]


cant say of every one, but yes, i know what that role means. and happily so.
n how abt u?? 😊

[quote] the woman who has the locker keys for the family's izzat!
don't u all realize this statement is true........if yes, then y it has been denoted as lecture n no1 has replied....... favouring the right is not wrong, but if things r turning wrong n harming ur family's or ur in-laws' reputation in society........... will u still just think about urself, will u just be nothing but selfish? [/quote]

well.. i believe its truth, but not the whole truth... in a family thats bound together with relations, its as much the duty of each member to keep those lockers safe as is of the DIL... doesnt make sense to me when only the DIL or MIL has to do it or anything of the sort... every person - man or woman has their part to do... it cant be like the family goes strong and u are proud of it, it doesnt go strong and the DIL is to blame (like sumitra says "apni parivaar ko mein baandh ke nahin rakh paayi") and again, each one needs some personal space... may be not in soaps, but in real life, they do... no choices - just in the name of khandaan ke izzat - doesnt sound so appealing to me


[quote] it's woman/girl is the one who always suffers in such cases......... whether she says yes or she says no!!!
yes.... they r only one who can make or break a family!! i didn't found anything wrong if gehna bowed down after maasa for sake of wellness of other ladies in the house!
somethings need to be seriously discussed! [/quote]

u didnt find anything wrong? nor did i 😉 thats all part of nibhaoing a relationship (be it at home, at work, in the neighborhood or elsewhere - man as a social being need to compromise)... but i'd have appreciated it if dadisa, whoz equally at fault (in the series of incidents that lead to the so called act against the khandans izzat) apologized too. nothing wrong in an elderly person thinking levelheadedly and apologizing if they made a mistake. same goes with basant - he too owed an apology to the family. but after all, its just a daily drama, so chaltha hein, for entertainment sake. sab log ek doosre se maafi maang li toh drama kaise chalega 😉 they will have to wind it up as "and they lived happily ever after" 😃


[quote] i m really disappointed with those who r making fun of relationship here, whether it's about husband or MIL!! ppl r favouring n encouraging one curse (bigamy) just to get rid of orthodox thoughts....! [/quote]

didnt quite get u there... so cant comment 😊

[quote] guys... BV is a fiction more or less....... but helpless, dependency in case of woman/girls doesn't exist only in rural section of our country......... it really need guts to go beyond ur limits n break all the rules...... u need to face obligations n many other problems...... success is not an easy achievement, n for everyone!! human suffering from such situations looses their real n self if they really need to survive in it! [/quote]

agreed 100% needs lotttttttttsss of guts.. when going gets tough, perhaps the tough gets going... and thats why we see many woman wishing to live by their own in our family courts today... loved gehnas dialogue yesterday... that anandi, in her drive to become the perfect DIL lost her bubbly and bright self some where... guess tht should be the point one should stand up n say enough is enough - when u start feeling u are loosing the individual in u...

but thank god there are the new gen MILs and DILs who are better friends than the typical portrayal they show in these serials. dont know much about the life in rural india... but we can atleast be happy that there are MILS who are very happy giving some personal space to there DILs and DILs who can get along with their MILs without interfering int their personal life. and though slow paced, tht kind of a healthy relationship is definitely catching up

you - as any such and such relationship (dil, wife, mother, sister, whatever)- matters... but you as an individual matters too!


[quote] yes......... we need a change......... but who r making fun........ sorry i don't expect that change atleast from their side!
i know we r attached with the show n actors/characters..... if anything is wrong, show ur aggression, but plz don't make fun of it......!
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areyyyyy....take fun as fun yaar...i dont think any one here is keen to offend any one else.


[quote] now talking about janam janam ka rishta, it's not only in serials, drama or films....... if u've grown up in INDIA, u really mean it!! no1 can't get rid of relationship so easily....... if it's maasa who recites 'outta my house', if she really don't have believed in janam janam ka rishta... n CVs have really shown that........ na gehna wapas aati aur na hi anandi! aur might be.... sumitra bhi wapas ja chuki hoti.....! [/quote]

hmm... cant be so sure of that... i grew up in india, and got married in india too - but neither my MIL nor my husband or any one else for that matter - ever imposed this janam janam ka saath rule on me. i am really thankful to my extended family for that. i dont say every one here lives in such undemanding backgrounds. cant generalize my case, and cant generalize the 7 janmon ke saath theroy either. a relationship becomes binding when you feel it from within... and very often, living within the indian culture, we do start feeling that.. but without that i dont think this 7 janam ke kahani makes sense to me... well, my feelings! thats it.



[quote] no offense, just made my POV like others!


point taken 😊 no issues dear... to every one - his.. and dont get offended by any body else's post either... its a much smaller family in here 😊
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Neha_k, far from making fun of relationships, I am asking why they are not equally important for everyone. Women seem to be disposable.

I don't think izzat of a family is only in the hands of women. Men too are responsible. This is a rule that has been made to control the behaviour of women and allow men to do anything they want and get away with it.
Sometimes in life, you do have to apologise to keep the peace even if you are not wrong. But the beendhnis here always have to apologise even when it is Maa saa's fault (which is most of the time). She never realises she is in the wrong, how can she ever change?
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Posted: 14 years ago
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well........ what to say now!
i just got burst bcuz i've grown up in such BV environment, my granny too is more or less like DS......... she never listen to any1, instead her sons or grandsons..............
i've seen my mother n aunts fighting like gehna, surviving like sumitra n living like anandi........... that's y i never liked BV earlier..........
but to be honest, it was only shashank who took me into it!! 😉 he is just outstanding in whatever he's doing! 👍🏼 but i won't accept his (jagya's) gulcharre in mumbai, if he's planning about!!
i m just a daughter rite know, but someday i've to b a DIL, such topics were creating negative vibes for me, as it was really hard for me to prepare myself for marriage stuff........ i am living like a bird, but such birds sooner or later will be jailed in golden cage, naa! trying to
believe in relationships more..... relationship of lives.....!!

i m sorry if i've hurt any1..... it was purely unintentional!!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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@Neha - OMG ! why do you think you will be jailed in a golden cage??? Marriage is very beautiful..believe me and please dont go by these tv serials..I can vouch for it that its no where near what they show in these shows...I can say from my personal experience...in laws now a days are very open minded and friendly...if your partner supports you and is by your side and if you build a friendly rapport with your in laws everything falls into place...I am sorry to hear that you have seen BV like situations in your life...but you dont have to dread getting married ! I know it can be a different ball game altogether..considering you will start a new life in a new house away from you near and dear ones...but it wont take long before you start accepting your new family and start feeling a part of that family...you dont need to be a sacrificial lamb for that (as they show in these dumb serials)..a little bit of adjustment and friendly attitude is all it takes, of course it has to be reciprocated from the other end as well...thats when relationships turn into life long bonds...baaki agle 6 janam baad mein dekh lena hahahah....thats what I meant by live life as it comes..enjoy your present ! kal kya hoga patha nahin hotha..tho 7 janam mein kya hoga kaise patha kare? 😆 😆

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