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Posted: 14 years ago
#51
Great Post Vasu👍🏼
Nothing to add,loved the Sharma family & their fight😊Expecting more fireworks in today's episode😆
Loved Ayesha ,though i cnn't agree with her reason of getting married with Ram,but she reflected some of the thoughts of many of the 20's girls of this generation.
Anu,Pallo,Fivr,Nels, & everyone -Girls,u all have put forward really interesting points👏 & some really hilarious comments 😆
Now,my finger is really tired of pressing LIKE button😆
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: kshreya2002

Lots of girls like Aysha exist in reality. You see them everyday. They might not marry India's biggest businessman but you see them around you marrying an older and wealthier guy primarily for financial stability. But lets not forget Aysha is a 22 year old. How of the world has she seen? She might think she will be happy with branded clothes and shoes. But how long are such things important to a person? Five years? Ten years? Then what?
Aysha's mother should know better! Even if she wishes that Aysha settle down with Ram she must as a mother point out the cons of such a decision. More than Priya(who hasnt got experience about married life) its her mother or probably other older married aunts or sisters who should do this. After that ofcourse Aysha is old enough to make her own decisions.
Btw on a side note I wonder if the Sharmas esp Priya will do a hungama at the roka? I mean its to embarrassing to admit to the world that they are such huge gold diggers who were ready to get a 22 year old married to a 42 year old.

@bold: I agree..but here mother herself is blinded..the only sane person is priya..and ayesha respects her decision.. but as you told priya who is unmarried can't really guide much...
And I too doubt there will be any hungama at the roka.. when they all will know that it was priya they were talking about, i think everybody will be chupchap and act like nothing happened.. otherwise it will be a huge embarrasment, especially for shipra...😆
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Posted: 14 years ago
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If we keep aside Ekta logic and theories of revenge angle.. knowing Ayesha and her love and respect for Priya.. she wont take any revenge.. why should she? Priya did not set up this thing.. It was Shipra's mistake totally for assuming the rishta was for Ayesha. Priya even though she did not like her little sister marrying Ram, she gave her consent just for Ayesha sake. Ayesha knows this.
If Priya had said no for Ayesha's marriage to Ram and then Priya would have got married may be Ayesha would have felt otherwise inspite of misunderstanding. But here looking at everything Ayesha should not think of revenge but blame Shipra for assuming the wrong girl.

After yesterday's episode and the love and respect shown by Ayesha, if Ayesha is shown as taking revenge and going after Ram then it really would look ridiculous and not upto the character of Ayesha.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Wow!! Amazing discussions everyone! Who knew that this kind of episode, essentially an episode with frustration and strife could prompt such great discussions, perhaps more so than an episode in which there is nothing but mushy Ram/Priya-ness 😆

I wish I could respond in detail to each of your posts but I fear for my poor fingers - they will probably fall off from exhaustion if I dared write detailed analyses to all your posts 😆 so let me just do a summary analysis post instead:

@Mahi - love your post and your point about Ayesha's character being consistent since inception. After my initial post I went back and realised that even from day one - episode 1/2 - Ayesha had the view that she wanted to marry rich and marry big; she wasn't interested in a modelling career like her mother was. It was simply a means to an end - she wants a life of luxury, where she does not have to work if she does not want to. I liked that they kept that aspect of her consistent.

Ayesha & Priya's give-and-take is so sweet to watch. Both are willing to do anything for the other and it is obvious that Ayesha views Priya as a parent more than just as a sister. They have the sisterly bonding and nok-jhok, but their relationship is much deeper than that. I feel that Ayesha would be more likely to express her secrets and desires to Priya than to her own mother.

It is very interesting to note that no one (except Shipra) is on board with the idea of Ayesha's marriage until Priya says so. She convinces Karthik and Sudhir. Definitely she is the de facto head of the house, as Mahi said. It is equally interesting to note the contrast with Ram - he is the effectual "man of the family", but he only controls the purse-strings. He is the ATM, as Vikram and others on the forum have noted. He cannot control the family in any other way - he has to bow to Nuts' decision, he has to bow to Niharika's decision for his marriage.

Perhaps this is what he chooses to do, but in many ways and in many episodes I have felt that Ram is the "girl" in the show. Not feminine or ineffectual or anything derogatory like that. Simply put - in EK serials there is a "type": the girl is mahaan, self-sacrificing, snobbish with outsiders but too subservient with her family, giving in to family pressures just to appease. She is always conscious of doing what her family wants to please them, and often to her own detriment. The man, on the other hand, is the outspoken one, the one who fights his corner, who refuses to do certain things - not necessarily someone who loves his family any less but who is more receptive to their flaws. He is the head of the family.

Here, it seems that the roles have reversed - Priya is the "man" and Ram is the "girl" trying to please everyone.

@Nish - that's exactly what I said about the roka! 😆 These people have had a busy week for sure. I don't think being middle class is shameful for her, but it is also not above the bounds of reality to want to aspire to be above that. For all her double MAs, Priya is still stuck in middle class-dom. She might be happy there, and that is all well and good, but for Ayesha and so many others like her, there is this sense of "is this all there is? is this what my life amounts to?" Her ambition is different to Priya's but no less valid. I find it difficult to condemn her for this especially since she has so many other positive attributes. If she was the kind of man-chaser who hung out at Page 3 parties specifically to trap rich men, I would have a different opinion of her. Compare Ayesha with that girl who Ram went out with on a blind date - who comes off as better? Ayesha, right? Because she is not blatantly trying to trap a man into marriage by saying what she thinks he will want. Rather, she is capitalising on an offer (she thinks) is made to her.

@Pallo - 🤗 totally agree on your points. I too don't like the unnecessary twist that EK has brought about, but it has allowed for a natural set of reactions and has progressed certain characters' personalities and stories a little further. So in that respect, I can live with it. If it were the kind of twist in which all characters behaved exactly as we would all expect, as mindless stereotypes saying and doing the same things as if by rote, then I would hate it even more.

@maris - 🤗 On your point:

I feel Sudhir is the one who is yet to realise that his inertia is basically what has led to his family behave like this.

Totally agree. Sudhir is the least evolved of all the characters in this family and I still don't understand his motives or his thought processes. With the others, you can see where they are coming from even if you don't agree with him; with Spineless Sudhir, I feel like he just reads from a script sheet and walks about with his eyes closed. What does he think? Why didn't he say anything about Ayesha's decision? Why did he leave Priya to do all the objecting, the opposing, the accepting?! Does he have no feelings about his younger daughter?! More and more this guy is reminding me of Mr Bennett - except that Mr B, for all his inertia, manages to be as caustic and pessimistic as possible about his younger children.

@Aviva - I did observe that Sudhir's outburst was limited to telling Shipra to shut up, not to tell his elder daughter to mind her manners around her mother. No matter how right I might be and how wrong my mother might be, if I speak to her in an out of line way, my father will at least tell me off for that much. He will tell me to mind my manners.

And living in the Elizabethan era is no requirement any more for such types of marriages. You yourself point out the case of Anna Nicole Smith, and I would point to the Playboy Bunnies who hover around an 80-year old, wrinkly Hugh Heffner. They are not interested in him and his charms, surely? It is solely his money. Toh of course this kind of thing happens today and probably more so than in the Elizabethan era. In those days, marriage was a business and for a woman there was not much other choice - marry for money, or marry a poor man and be unhappy and uncomfortable for the rest of your life, or become a governess and remain a spinster forever. These days marrying for love has become the ideal, but there are still those women who would prefer to be financially secure than to have a loving husband. As someone said rightly, poverty can chase away the strongest of loves.

I really hope Ayesha does NOT turn evil and does NOT marry into the Kapoor clan; I have been pleasantly surprised by her until now and I would hope to continue being so. I would rather that she accept the truth with grace and dignity - there is no kami of wealthy men out there and if that truly is her ideal, then she can search for it till her heart is content. And maybe, just maybe, after seeing Ram and Priya's (hopefully) happy marriage, and after growing up a little (she is only 22 after all) she may change her thoughts and start appreciating love in a marriage or life partner.

@Sweta - agree with you that if we keep EK's propensity and sadism for evil sisters aside, everything about this has been out in the open and Ayesha should not have a problem with Priya once she and Ram get married. She should in fact be angry at Shipra for misinterpreting the situation and causing such a ruckus, but she has seen that Priya has no ulterior motive for refusing Ayesha-Ram's alliance other than her love for Ayesha. So, fingers crossed, this logic will prevail and she won't turn into a Piya of Kasamh Se as others have suggested.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Very well written..👏

Totally agree..👍🏼
Edited by Faraan_4_Shweta - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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So after reading a bunch about BLAH...errr i mean BALH on the CC, courtesy Anu and Vasu, I decided to recheck the show as i lost interest in the other other desi show that i used to follow.😆
anyhow, so i caught up with the episodes in couple of days...by fast forwarding certain parts such as that of the super sonic Bat-mum, BOGO mama and her Switty, and some random parts.

@Coming to yesterday's episode...Dang it was such a yell-fest, wasn't it? lol but as you mentioned, somehow and somewhere, we've all been there, done that. ( Well ofcourse NOT the almost cat fight with mum🤣). What is the point of having the dad character?! They might have just done ok without whatchamacallit, Spineless Sudhir character. Shouldn't he be having an argument with his wife on the issue more than Priya? I mean he was somewhat charged up when the argument involved Priya, but other than that all he did was "Shush" Bat-mum and just sit on the couch and stare. 😳

@Ayesha's argument--- Well yeah there are people in the world who think that material happiness is all that one needs to lead a happy life. In fact, i would say that every one of us has this thought somewhere in the back of our minds. it's obvious and it's a natural human thing, isn't it? who doesn't aspire for a "better" life? for a life full of luxury? We all envy others' life style to some extent, even those with all the world's luxury envy someone else's lifestyle. Some try to take that as a challenge and try to make the best of themselves and their lifestyle by working for "it"...while others look for opportunities or shall i say "short cuts" as in the case of Ayesha.
I liked the way Ayesha presented her side of argument to Priya. She does really respect and love her sister and genuinely shows gratitude for what all she has done for her. Bat-mum, on the other side, is pure self-absorbed opportunist! She does change her colors and frequency as per situations.

@Certain part of Ayesha's argument--- lol i know it's the mistake on the part of the writers but anyhow it stuck out to me somehow. Ayesha mentions that she is required to let go of this proposal and marry a regular middle class man "just because it is ethical." Where did "ethics" come in this side of argument? Actually, someone could have counter-argued that point by saying that it would be unethical of her to marry Ram just because he has money and can provide you with every darn materialistic happiness that she so aspired for. yeah we get it that in this case the Sharmas had no idea about the whole truth. but still that particular point of argument seemed ummm out of place.😆

@Ayesha turning the evil, backstabbing bi-atch--- lol from what i have read from my google searches of these kekta shows, it does seem probable. However, if they plan on sticking to the originality and "freshness" of the concept, then the PH or the channel would avoid going that route and they certainly should avoid it. Why the heck do stupid numbers rule the storyline and not the writers' own imagination and creation? Why not have a finite number of episodes, with a solid plot line like that of YRF shows (such as kismat and r.com) and give the show and characters a good story and development rather than twisting and turning the story as per those so called trps?
actually, nevermind, i don't think desi telly industry's ever capable of bringing that change and raising the bar because if they were, then they wouldn't have cancelled quality shows (read: R.com) just because they didn't garner the "trps" they desired.


Edited by Ramy25 - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Amy, LOL I do think there were SOLID glitches in the dialogues they gave Ayesha in that scene...some of the lines didn't even flow coherently together and I remember thinking W*F is she saying when I was watching the scene...lol

Her argument made sense on a conceptual level...but what kind if dialogue is, "I want a dude who can buy me CHOPPERS"?! and yes that "ethics" waala dialogue was SERIOUSLY nonsensical...

I can understand the INTENTION of the scene but the dialogues overall were not THAT well written and didn't always flow together properly...dunno if it's a writing issue or an editing issue.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: nureat01

Amy, LOL I do think there were SOLID glitches in the dialogues they gave Ayesha in that scene...some of the lines didn't even flow coherently together and I remember thinking W*F is she saying when I was watching the scene...lol

Her argument made sense on a conceptual level...but what kind if dialogue is, "I want a dude who can buy me CHOPPERS"?! and yes that "ethics" waala dialogue was SERIOUSLY nonsensical...

I can understand the INTENTION of the scene but the dialogues overall were not THAT well written and didn't always flow together properly...dunno if it's a writing issue or an editing issue.


@bold - everyone's going gaga about that line but I must have missed it completely...or else they pulled their fingers out by the time it came around to being aired in my part of the world and wisely edited it out. 😆

@Amy - nice to read your LAMBA post...darshan deti rehna 😆 I agree with much of your post and for a Kekta newbie you are a fast learner. Of course, you do have teachers like me, Anu and Fivr *pulls up collar in arrogant way* 😎 Humne bhi Kekta-giri mein double MA kiya hai 😉
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: nureat01

Amy, LOL I do think there were SOLID glitches in the dialogues they gave Ayesha in that scene...some of the lines didn't even flow coherently together and I remember thinking W*F is she saying when I was watching the scene...lol

Her argument made sense on a conceptual level...but what kind if dialogue is, "I want a dude who can buy me CHOPPERS"?! and yes that "ethics" waala dialogue was SERIOUSLY nonsensical...

I can understand the INTENTION of the scene but the dialogues overall were not THAT well written and didn't always flow together properly...dunno if it's a writing issue or an editing issue.



it clearly seemed like a writing as well as editing issue.
That line with "choppers" was lol so meh-ish and immature if you ask me. But looking from what we have seen of that character, it seemed okay-ish. One thing i didn't get is that how come her dad just sat there and said nothing? How come he agreed to the marriage after Priya gave a nod? Everyone knows that such marriages with such a big age and generation differences hardly last long and that too if the girl's agreeing because she's thinking she'll be living a lifestyle of a princess and not because she likes the man even a tad bit. how come they all just gave in and happily went to do the roka?


@Vasu--- 😆 yeah yeah much credit goes to ya 3 musketeers!😉😆 I wouldn't have learned it so quickly hadn't it been you guys' discussions about it all.🤣 *bows down*

Edited by Ramy25 - 14 years ago

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