Creative differences b/w NY

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Posted: 11 years ago
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This is essentially the core/central theme of the show too...a clash of ideologies, viewpoints.

If anyone, including Nikumb ever took Yamini for a lamb, they were mistaken...lol...she defended her viewpoint the first time she met him too even though she was battling her own insecurities back then...but now we have a much more confident Yamini empowered by Nikumb himself😆...(#irony) standing up to him and wanting her viewpoint heard and considered.


Yamini wants a happy ending...for the play as well as in life...

Nikumb doesn't believe in happy endings for love stories...his personal heartbreak no doubt coloring his viewpoint on this no matter how many examples he tries to give about tragic love stories being the epi ones.

It's basically Fairytale romanticism v/s harsh cynicism...

Yamini also is looking at market appeal...she believes a happy ending would make the play more successful since people love happy endings more than tragic ones.

But Nikumb has his directorial/creative vision for this play as well which he is unwilling to compromise to such an extent as to change the whole tone of the ending.

So they clash...lol...change never comes easy...especially for a man as stubborn and headstrong as Nikumb is...a man who clings to his ideologies more than anything else.

I found Azam and Shaheen's attempts to patch up Nikumb and Yamini quite amusing...especially given the way N and Y were trading barbs and muh phulaaoing at each other...lol...Gotta give it to Yamini...engaging in a battle of words with a writer? LOL that's a hard one to win but she never stops speaking her mind.


So looks like they will dance and patch up tomorrow and the play is almost here too! At long last!

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Nice synopsis of the episode. 😃 Will update after watching later in the evening. It is a different ball game with there is a balanced view on both protagonists - the kind that makes the viewer think about both of their POV's.. so far Baawre has done a good job in that department.

I am curious though - what happens after the play is over, what is the scenario by which these two can be presented in the same frame?
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: savvy05

Nice synopsis of the episode. 😃 Will update after watching later in the evening. It is a different ball game with there is a balanced view on both protagonists - the kind that makes the viewer think about both of their POV's.. so far Baawre has done a good job in that department.

I am curious though - what happens after the play is over, what is the scenario by which these two can be presented in the same frame?



Thank you :-)

Yes, it makes for interesting viewing when the viewpoints of both protagonists are well fleshed out in a logical manner...but then this show is a different breed anyways and doesn't follow the cookie cutter templates of most shows on TV.


I'm guessing there is going to be significant fallout over the play...should be a major turning point for the story...so far the play has bound these characters together...once that is out of the way, what then? Ultimately I see Yamini expressing the desire to pursue theater more actively...possibly incorporating her singing into it...that is probably how she can collaborate with Nikumb again...there might be some pangs of seperation before that happens though...they will probably miss each other's presence...I'm guessing Azam and Shaheen might be used as instruments to make NY meet.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hi Anu- am still trying to catch up with the episodes- havent seen today's! i just wanted to establish the base for myself before diving into the present- however I cheated and saw yesterday's episode so sort of can connect to what you have observed today.
I am from the Nikumb school of thoughts about love stories in 'real life'- cyncism rules over romantic fantasies generally! BUT Yamini is right that - does the junta identifies or wants to see that- NO! Also she herself is convinced about the everlasting power of love as well as 'love conquers all' theory. But, will Nikumb cave in? Ok I need to see the episode- you said they patched up- does that mean Yamini caved in? That would be more feasible here! Yeah guys like Nikumb dont cave in so easily- he reminds me so much of theatre waalas I knew in my Uni days- the kinds that will never compromise on their vision for mere practical reasons!

I am really sort of enticed by Abhishek's and the guy playing Azam's acting! Azam per toh mujhe major crush ho gaya hai! They are so very authentic- as i keep repeating again and again! Raghu too- he makes your blood boil- so very realistic- people I have seen in real life- maybe a little toned down version of Raghu- but they have these traits in hordes!
And yeah Daddu is adorable- was watching an episode yesterday- where she asks Yamini- 'kya keh rahi ho- hum kya saath ke dikhtein hain??' One sexy grandmom she is 😆
Ok- I need to watch the episode now- before I comment- coz i am intrigued by 'they dance and patch up'??? THEY DANCE?

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Ostrich !! aap rr se udh kar yaha a baithe ?? welcome ji welcome, dexy ko bhi bula kar laiye !😃
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: shreya_rc

Ostrich !! aap rr se udh kar yaha a baithe ?? welcome ji welcome, dexy ko bhi bula kar laiye !😃


Thanks Shreya- for the bhelcomes😆 Anu ji ko stalk karte karte yahan tak pahunch gayi phir Azam Miya ko dil de baithi- ab kya karoon??

Bas now jab tak they steer clear of 'giggly muh phulaoing FLs' and 'Hawt tabela romance' I think I will not udho- touch wood! Dexy ka toh pata nahi kahan hai- maybe she's on her way to mumbai to take hisaab kitaab from certain 'creatives' to massacre her HERO like that!


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: CyberOstrich

Hi Anu- am still trying to catch up with the episodes- havent seen today's! i just wanted to establish the base for myself before diving into the present- however I cheated and saw yesterday's episode so sort of can connect to what you have observed today.

I am from the Nikumb school of thoughts about love stories in 'real life'- cyncism rules over romantic fantasies generally! BUT Yamini is right that - does the junta identifies or wants to see that- NO! Also she herself is convinced about the everlasting power of love as well as 'love conquers all' theory. But, will Nikumb cave in? Ok I need to see the episode- you said they patched up- does that mean Yamini caved in? That would be more feasible here! Yeah guys like Nikumb dont cave in so easily- he reminds me so much of theatre waalas I knew in my Uni days- the kinds that will never compromise on their vision for mere practical reasons!

I am really sort of enticed by Abhishek's and the guy playing Azam's acting! Azam per toh mujhe major crush ho gaya hai! They are so very authentic- as i keep repeating again and again! Raghu too- he makes your blood boil- so very realistic- people I have seen in real life- maybe a little toned down version of Raghu- but they have these traits in hordes!
And yeah Daddu is adorable- was watching an episode yesterday- where she asks Yamini- 'kya keh rahi ho- hum kya saath ke dikhtein hain??' One sexy grandmom she is 😆
Ok- I need to watch the episode now- before I comment- coz i am intrigued by 'they dance and patch up'??? THEY DANCE?



@bold: Well they haven't danced YET😆...the epi ended on Shaheen and Azam putting NY on the spot by asking them to dance together...a slow dance btw😆...the whole epi was about the last day of rehearsals so a farewell party of sorts was going on and they were all casually dancing around anyways when Shaheen made this announcement...mainly to make them patch up cuz they were at loggerheads throughout the epi and that tension was carrying on to the rest of the group.

Both of them protested but ultimately Nikumb walked over to her and held out his hand to her...that's where they ended it.


I'm neutral on this debate...I feel both kinds of endings have their merit...not all endings have to be tragic...it depends on the creative vision of the person writing it...so in this case I do side with Nikumb...this is his vision for Shakuntala...it need not bow down to the generally candyfloss whims of the aam junta...that is the conflict for Nikumb...should he compromise on his artistic vision for the sake of being more marketable?

I'm presuming they will patch up tomorrow cuz the precap showed Nikumb giving a motivational speech in the dressing room and they were all in their play costumes.

Yep, Azam's adorable...lol quite a stretch for you though, Shalini...from Dutta to Rudra to AZAM😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: CyberOstrich


Bas now jab tak they steer clear of 'giggly muh phulaoing FLs' and 'Hawt tabela romance' I think I will not udho- touch wood! Dexy ka toh pata nahi kahan hai- maybe she's on her way to mumbai to take hisaab kitaab from certain 'creatives' to massacre her HERO like that!




LOL@ tabela romance...I read about it but I can't bring myself to watch it...even for Ashish😆...and giggly OTT female leads so toh bhagwaan hi bachaaye..


Let's hope Baawre doesn't have to fall that low in order to get ratings.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Frankly, I side with Nikumbh's viewpoint. Not on the every-epic-story-has-a-tragic-ending point. But that this is his vision and he has EVERY right to see THIS vision being played on stage. It is not only the vision of a hurt lover. He sees it in a totally different way. This is Shakuntala's story. Not merely her LOVE story. And well, who said that a tragic story is any less a love story than the one with a happy ending! I don't think Nikumbh will compromise on this, and he shouldn't. This is SO Nikumbh. And that's how his character is.
And it is also SO Yamini that she has an issue with this. I don't agree with her viewpoint. A union at the end is not necessary. I most definitely do not agree that only a happy ending works with the audience. But it is also just like Yamini to believe that somehow she can fix things when they are apparently going wrong (The ending isajeeb for her) if she can only convince Nikumbh to see things her way. This optimism, this naive sort of belief is so like her. She forgets to take into account that making a last minute change (a day before the play) and a major change at that, is impractical. She forgets to take account that the play-will-be-more-marketable-when-there-is-a-happy-ending argument would never work on somebody like Nikumbh. He would be the last person, really. She is just full of the belief that love is a beautiful thing and wants a lovely end for everything. So like her. And I am glad that for the first time she voiced it with the confidence that I have always found lacking in her. She even prepared an alternate ending. 😆

Like you said, this is the core of the show. This difference in ideologies and I am finally beginning to see Yamini raising her own voice. No viewpoint is wrong and I am glad she wants to put her own point across, wanting to be heard and understood. I know she did speak up the first time too but I saw the confidence only this time. The belief that she is RIGHT in her own place. Made for a really intense watch.

I was even happier with the way it ended. It wasn't a compromise. Neither of them went back on their stand. But they will patch up. Because like Nikumbh said, it is not about being right or wrong. Sometimes you only need to have trust. And that it was ultimately about their friendship, their bond soaring through, in spite of the difference in their ideologies. It is not about changing each other. It will never be. The difference will always remain. But it is about acknowledging that difference and understanding each other. It is about holding out a hand even after you have screamed yourself hoarse, because it is only just a difference in perspective. I know they are going to come back and address the issues of his past. But I hope they let some of the things about him remain intact. He is the person who would never compromise on his vision to cater to an audience. Never.

And that is why I am sure there won't be any change in the play. At least not from Nikumbh's end. Though I am beginning to wonder if Yamini will do some last minute improvisation? If that happens, I can see major clashes in the future! 😆


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: savvy05

Nice synopsis of the episode. 😃 Will update after watching later in the evening. It is a different ball game with there is a balanced view on both protagonists - the kind that makes the viewer think about both of their POV's.. so far Baawre has done a good job in that department.

I am curious though - what happens after the play is over, what is the scenario by which these two can be presented in the same frame?


@Bold: Exactly! Such a balanced show. And it helps that there is a narrator to put across those points. And the viewer can think about everything and form their own opinion. The show treats every opinion as something that should be considered.

I dunno about what is going to happen after the play. I have a feeling it's not going to end the way they want it to end.

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