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Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Interesting

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The "weapon" theory is something most writers with a non-divine approach take. Because the exile doesn't make any sense in a reality based world. In the absence of a one-year rule, Arjuna was being exiled for a non-existent crime if it were really bow and arrows Vyasa was talking about.

The part about Krishna's motive is speculation on my part. The other possibility is that Suyodhana-Subhadra engagement was a real thing, and Krishna wanted to break it. The question then comes why didn't he do it before? Arjuna's visit wasn't planned. So if he hadn't visited, what was Krishna planning to do to avoid getting Suyodhana as brother-in-law?

I'm not surprised by the skepticism. The theory has more twists than a jalebi. 😆 Still, it's the only one which I couldn't poke holes in.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

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The "weapon" theory is something most writers with a non-divine approach take. Because the exile doesn't make any sense in a reality based world. In the absence of a one-year rule, Arjuna was being exiled for a non-existent crime if it were really bow and arrows Vyasa was talking about.

The part about Krishna's motive is speculation on my part. The other possibility is that Suyodhana-Subhadra engagement was a real thing, and Krishna wanted to break it. The question then comes why didn't he do it before? Arjuna's visit wasn't planned. So if he hadn't visited, what was Krishna planning to do to avoid getting Suyodhana as brother-in-law?

I'm not surprised by the skepticism. The theory has more twists than a jalebi. 😆 Still, it's the only one which I couldn't poke holes in.

But how can we be sure that there was no one year rule? Even if for nothing else, it is needed for being confirmed on paternity. Maybe they did have one such rule, when we can accept Subhadra Duryodhan engagement possibility, why not one year rule.

Else if there was no such rule, then maybe at that time Yudhishtir was in the mood to reach out to Draupadi and that's when he saw Arjun with his weapons.

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

But how can we be sure that there was no one year rule? Even if for nothing else, it is needed for being confirmed on paternity. Maybe they did have one such rule, when we can accept Subhadra Duryodhan engagement possibility, why not one year rule.

Else if there was no such rule, then maybe at that time Yudhishtir was in the mood to reach out to Draupadi and that's when he saw Arjun with his weapons.

Well... there was no one year rule as per KMG or CE. All Narada says is one brother shouldn't approach her when another brother is with her. Basically... ahem... no orgies.😆 I kid you not. Vyasa didn't pull his punches the way the shows do. If my mapping of family relationships is right, Panchali was likely Devala's granddaughter (bio or adopted). I believe Devala was the Narada of the era. He was warning his grandsons-in-law not to mess with his bitiya😆. CONJECTURE: Narada also managed to start insecurities in Yudhishtira's mind which might have led to subsequent deterioration in his behavior.

This pre-exile setup is one of the many reasons I don't think there was any polyandry, but let's say there was. There had to have been some kind of rule set. Arjuna likely broke it. The weapon theory - as in archery equipment - does not fit.

Someone else was asking why did Arjuna apologize when he returned. It wasn't the first time he married. Surely, his family got to know of Chitrangada, at least. So the apology could not have been for marriage. The other possibility is that it was for bringing Subhadra home which is where Pattnaik came up with his insane theory of Panchali not allowing any other wives in Indraprastha. But since she made no such condition, she surely knew other wives would be coming home. I can somewhat understand her getting upset. But see the sequence of events which unfold - Arjuna goes to the king, then the queen who refuses to acknowledge him, then his mother, then Subhadra goes to Panchali. Arjuna goes there to apologize BEFORE she gets upset, BEFORE he even visits his mother. I can think of only one thing which would necessitate an apology at that point - perhaps the incident which got him exiled. Subhadra's soothing of Panchali's anger would've been his acceptance.

I think Subhadra was not only Krishna's way of 1) cementing the alliance between Dwaraka and Indraprastha and 2) getting Arjuna back in, it was also 3) a not-so-gentle reminder to Panchali many things were at stake.

We see these people as the heroes they became. But they were also young once, with all the stupidities and immaturity which go along with youth. It's not a huge stretch to imagine personal relationships getting in the way of what was clearly a well-planned political merger.

I'm not fond of the Suyodhan-Subhadra theory, either, because then it seems like Krishna had no plan in place until Arjuna unexpectedly walked by.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

See the problem with thinking "weapon" is a "weapon" and not the other "weapon"😆 is then there was no need for exile.

1. There was actually no one year rule.

2. If the king and queen were in weapons room, and Arjuna simply walked in for a legit reason, why would he get exiled?

3. Actually, why was there a need to go to weapons room? He didn't have the gandeev yet at the time. He used regular bows and arrows like every other warrior. There were many armed guards in the place. He could've simply gotten one from any of them.

dint arjun get the gandeev during the khandavprastha forest burning😕. or did the forest burning happen after his exile

Originally posted by: naq5

dint arjun get the gandeev during the khandavprastha forest burning😕. or did the forest burning happen after his exile

Forest burning happened after exile.

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

Btw @all who said there was no law, out of topic question...

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01215.htm

Vaisampayana continued, 'The illustrious Pandavas, thus addressed by the great Rishi Narada, consulting with one another, established a rule amongst themselves in the presence of the celestial Rishi himself endued with immeasurable energy. And the rule they made was that when one of them would be sitting with Draupadi, any of the other four who would see that one thus must retire into the forest for twelve years, passing his days as a Brahmacharin. After the virtuous Pandavas had established that rule amongst themselves, the great Muni Narada, gratified with them, went to the place he wished. Thus, O Janamejaya, did the Pandavas urged by Narada, established a rule amongst themselves in regard to their common wife. And it was for this, O Bharata, that no dispute ever arose between them.'"

Just a question, if this was the "rule", then wasn't YUDHISHTHIR supposed to be exiled if HE saw ARJUN trying to use his "male weapon" On Drau considering there was no one year rule among Pandavas of drau being wife to only one

I posted this in the other thread, but this needs to be here. Thoughts please.

Also, how exactly was Arjun practicing Brahmacharin be it one year or twelve years. 🤣

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

I posted this in the other thread, but this needs to be here. Thoughts please.

Also, how exactly was Arjun practicing Brahmacharin be it one year or twelve years. 🤣

I had replied on the other thread.

Maybe this was the reason for Draupadi's anger--Arjun didn't fulfill his punishment properly, him marrying other girls wouldn't have been of much importance to her otherwise.

Coming to your other point, if at all it was the weapon we are assuming, he definitely didn't go to the Armoury to use that. He definitely went to Draupadi's chamber exposing the weapon where probably YuDrau were having their personal time.

This called for punishment and exile.

Hence HearMeRoar has a point, him having other wives in the palace was necessary since till then Draupadi was his only wife and therefore he had to reach out to her whenever........ need arose

Saying that, if what we are discussing here is even 10% true, Pandavas weren't as ideal brothers and inseparable ones as we think them to be. They could have been pretty easily separated had KaDuDuNi planned well. They remained together just by chance not much by love(unlike the Raghukul brothers)

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

I had replied on the other thread.

Maybe this was the reason for Draupadi's anger--Arjun didn't fulfill his punishment properly, him marrying other girls wouldn't have been of much importance to her otherwise.

Coming to your other point, if at all it was the weapon we are assuming, he definitely didn't go to the Armoury to use that. He definitely went to Draupadi's chamber exposing the weapon where probably YuDrau were having their personal time.

This called for punishment and exile.

Hence HearMeRoar has a point, him having other wives in the palace was necessary since till then Draupadi was his only wife and therefore he had to reach out to her whenever........ need arose

Saying that, if what we are discussing here is even 10% true, Pandavas weren't as ideal brothers and inseparable ones as we think them to be. They could have been pretty easily separated had KaDuDuNi planned well. They remained together just by chance not much by love(unlike the Raghukul brothers)

Entering the chamber exposing his weapon seems too far fetched to me. He could at least enter the room and then try. I don't think Arjun would do that, but going in and trying his luck is understandable.

I think it was simple, he just entered the room where Yudhi Drau was present. Maybe weapon was added later to justify his entering the room

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

Entering the chamber exposing his weapon seems too far fetched to me. He could at least enter the room and then try. I don't think Arjun would do that, but going in and trying his luck is understandable.

I think it was simple, he just entered the room where Yudhi Drau was present. Maybe weapon was added later to justify his entering the room

Of course he would have done that. Remember he had gone into the Armoury "to take out his weapon" he didn't go there with his weapons out (if we go literally) I used the word earlier because we were discussing on the weapon

My major point was that if this was the cause of his exile then everything does fall in place

He realised he needed more wives in the palace to ensure that such situation doesn't reoccur, therefore he made use of his years to get more wives, unfortunately none of them were ready to move to Indraprasth with him so problem was still the same, finally he reached Dwarka, discussed his issues with his friend Krishna, who gave him the idea to marry his sister since she wasn't to remain in her Mayka after marriage, but the issue was they weren't sure if Subhadra will select him going by traditional way, hence they planned for the abduction.

Once they reached Indraprasth, Yudhishtir and Draupadi were both angry -- not because he married Subhadra and brought her to Indraprasth, but because he did not fulfill his punishment properly, which was practicing Brahmcharya during this time..

Arjun tried to persuade them but no avail so finally Subhadra took the lead, who like her brother was good at convincing. She met Draupadi and convinced her, her getting convinced meant all getting convinced since Arjun was primarily the culprit of Draupadi

I get your point. I mean if he went there to "get his weapon" it would translate into his intention of going in was what we assume it was. He can't have his weapon out. IYKWIM. 😆