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Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

^^^ Krishna could hardly manipulate Balram. Despite being the husband of his sister, Arjun was never dearer to Balram ji than Duryodhan, there is no need to believe that Krishna ji could have manipulated everyone.

This line in the epic clearly indicate that he wasn't sure that he would be able to manipulate her

As I said, I don't buy that Balram ji insisting on the marriage with Duryodhan story since had it been so, Duryodhan would have attempted to marry other Yadav princess and Blaram would have facilitated that

Yeah he could not have manipulated Balaram, but I thought he could convince Subhadra into choosing Arjun but seems like Subhadra was not dumb either- because Krishna says he cannot influence her choice.

Duryodhan story is not a part of any accepted version so yeah it was false.

http://www.apamnapat.com/articles/Mahabharata015.html

Here is link which shows that krishna did not ask arjun to abduct as it is

He first say to arjun if u can make subhadra fall in love with u then u can abduct her

Here brief story about arjun and subhadra love

Arjun has already fallen in love with subhadra after listening about her from friend gada ( who belongs to vrishni , a part of yadav clan)

He want to share his feelings to subhadra but before that he went to exile after breaking rule

Then after arjun came as disguise in dwarka so that no one could know him

But shree krishna was omnipresent and he recognizes arjun and even very well know why Arjun has come

Then arjun share that he is in love with subhadra. Lord krishna told that he has no problem Arjun marrying subhadra

Lord krishna says if u can make subhadra fall in love with u. U can abduct her . So krishna first make plans to meet subhadra with arjun

Here balram. Ask arjun to come in palace but arjun refuse because he was not allowed to enter palace until exile over so Arjun stayed in garden

Here subhadra meet Arjun. Till then she was not aware he was arjun

And subhadra was also fallen in love with arjun after listening from gada and krishna but she never saw arjun

So she ask arjun (who was in disguise) about Arjun

After having some talk subhadra come to know that he is Arjun and both fell in love with each other

And when both fell in love with each other then krishna ask arjun to abduct subhadra

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

^^^ Krishna could hardly manipulate Balram. Despite being the husband of his sister, Arjun was never dearer to Balram ji than Duryodhan, there is no need to believe that Krishna ji could have manipulated everyone.

This line in the epic clearly indicate that he wasn't sure that he would be able to manipulate her

As I said, I don't buy that Balram ji insisting on the marriage with Duryodhan story since had it been so, Duryodhan would have attempted to marry other Yadav princess and Blaram would have facilitated that

Did Balram have other sisters? Half may be, but full? Because Balram ran the show in Dwaraka. If Subhadra was Rohini's only daughter, then marrying her would ensure Dwaraka's support in a way other sisters wouldn't. Well... Balram went ahead and supported Suyodhana anyway.😆

That being said, because this story is not in KMG, I have a suspicion that Krishna engineered it to make sure Arjuna was able to return to Dwaraka with everyone's ruffled feathers soothed. If Arjuna's "weapon" in Panchali's chambers means what I think it does, Arjuna-Subhadra marriage was absolutely essential before he could return.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Did Balram have other sisters? Half may be, but full? Because Balram ran the show in Dwaraka. If Subhadra was Rohini's only daughter, then marrying her would ensure Dwaraka's support in a way other sisters wouldn't. Well... Balram went ahead and supported Suyodhana anyway.😆

That being said, because this story is not in KMG, I have a suspicion that Krishna engineered it to make sure Arjuna was able to return to Dwaraka with everyone's ruffled feathers soothed. If Arjuna's "weapon" in Panchali's chambers means what I think it does, Arjuna-Subhadra marriage was absolutely essential before he could return.

Arjuna's weapon was in weapon room, not in panchali's chamber

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Did Balram have other sisters? Half may be, but full? Because Balram ran the show in Dwaraka. If Subhadra was Rohini's only daughter, then marrying her would ensure Dwaraka's support in a way other sisters wouldn't. Well... Balram went ahead and supported Suyodhana anyway.😆

That being said, because this story is not in KMG, I have a suspicion that Krishna engineered it to make sure Arjuna was able to return to Dwaraka with everyone's ruffled feathers soothed. If Arjuna's "weapon" in Panchali's chambers means what I think it does, Arjuna-Subhadra marriage was absolutely essential before he could return.

Vasudev ji had 86 children from all his wives. There is no reason to believe that Subhadra was the only girl in those 86( will still recheck on this)

Even if the other sisters were not Rohini's daughter, I don't think it would mean they will not have much influence on Dwarka association. Balram ji was least interested in his sister's husband or Bua's sons. For Krishna and other Yadav brothers all the sisters would be equal (Subhadra or someone else)

What is your weapon theory though? Would like to know you are very well researched

Originally posted by: NoraSM

Arjuna's weapon was in weapon room, not in panchali's chamber

See the problem with thinking "weapon" is a "weapon" and not the other "weapon"😆 is then there was no need for exile.

1. There was actually no one year rule.

2. If the king and queen were in weapons room, and Arjuna simply walked in for a legit reason, why would he get exiled?

3. Actually, why was there a need to go to weapons room? He didn't have the gandeev yet at the time. He used regular bows and arrows like every other warrior. There were many armed guards in the place. He could've simply gotten one from any of them.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

See the problem with thinking "weapon" is a "weapon" and not the other "weapon"😆 is then there was no need for exile.

1. There was actually no one year rule.

2. If the king and queen were in weapons room, and Arjuna simply walked in for a legit reason, why would he get exiled?

3. Actually, why was there a need to go to weapons room? He didn't have the gandeev yet at the time. He used regular bows and arrows like every other warrior. There were many armed guards in the place. He could've simply gotten one from any of them.

😭😭 these brothers had weird fetishes

Please tell me your theory, I am thoroughly intrigued

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Vasudev ji had 86 children from all his wives. There is no reason to believe that Subhadra was the only girl in those 86( will still recheck on this)

Even if the other sisters were not Rohini's daughter, I don't think it would mean they will not have much influence on Dwarka association. Balram ji was least interested in his sister's husband or Bua's sons. For Krishna and other Yadav brothers all the sisters would be equal (Subhadra or someone else)

What is your weapon theory though? Would like to know you are very well researched

Thanks. There are other people who are actually well researched, but I'll take the compliment😆.

Like I said to Nora, there was no one yer rule. There was no legit reason for Arjuna to get exiled for simply seeing Yudhishtira and Panchali together in the weapons room if it were actually a weapon. He didn't even need to go to the weapons room. Arjuna didn't have his gandeev yet, and for a regular bow and arrows, he could've simply borrowed from any of the guards.

My theory might not sit well with a lot of people, but remember this is only speculation based on psychology of men and women.

I think there was lingering attraction between Arjuna and Panchali from swayamvar. I think by "weapon," Vyasa meant... er... his male weapon. He might've gotten caught making a move when he wasn't supposed to. I don't know if she reciprocated. In any case, he got exiled.

Krishna wasn't informed for whatever reason. After a year, when Arjuna ended up in Dwaraka, Krishna got to hear of the events. He knew Arjuna needed to return for future plans... ie, empire building. Ulupi was a naga girl and Chitrangada stayed in Manipura; neither situation was enough to make sure the awkwardness was soothed. Krishna saw Arjuna was attracted to Subhadra. If they were married, she could actually be the ticket to his reentry into Indraprastha as all parties wouldn't want to mess up that alliance - neither Arjuna by breaking her heart, nor the Pandava family by not welcoming her and her husband in.

Actually, this exile in the absence of the one year rule is another piece of evidence against polyandry. If she were indeed married to all 5 with no such rule, why was Arjuna exiled? There are other interesting bits as well which add to my disbelief of polyandry, but that's another discussion.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Thanks. There are other people who are actually well researched, but I'll take the compliment😆.

Like I said to Nora, there was no one yer rule. There was no legit reason for Arjuna to get exiled for simply seeing Yudhishtira and Panchali together in the weapons room if it were actually a weapon. He didn't even need to go to the weapons room. Arjuna didn't have his gandeev yet, and for a regular bow and arrows, he could've simply borrowed from any of the guards.

My theory might not sit well with a lot of people, but remember this is only speculation based on psychology of men and women.

I think there was lingering attraction between Arjuna and Panchali from swayamvar. I think by "weapon," Vyasa meant... er... his male weapon. He might've gotten caught making a move when he wasn't supposed to. I don't know if she reciprocated. In any case, he got exiled.

Krishna wasn't informed for whatever reason. After a year, when Arjuna ended up in Dwaraka, Krishna got to hear of the events. He knew Arjuna needed to return for future plans... ie, empire building. Ulupi was a naga girl and Chitrangada stayed in Manipura; neither situation was enough to make sure the awkwardness was soothed. Krishna saw Arjuna was attracted to Subhadra. If they were married, she could actually be the ticket to his reentry into Indraprastha as all parties wouldn't want to mess up that alliance - neither Arjuna by breaking her heart, nor the Pandava family by not welcoming her and her husband in.

Actually, this exile in the absence of the one year rule is another piece of evidence against polyandry. If she were indeed married to all 5 with no such rule, why was Arjuna exiled? There are other interesting bits as well which add to my disbelief of polyandry, but that's another discussion.

I read the part and it is illogical because till now I thought Arjun went in the weapon room without knowing about Yudhishtira and Draupadi being there. But in text, he has this conversation with himself where he contemplates on going inside the room and going on exile vs Citizens shaming Yudhishtira for not being able to protect cattle

1 He could have used any bow and arrow, as you pointed out

2 He could have asked any dasi or doorman to fetch his weapon

3 He could have knocked on the door

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Thanks. There are other people who are actually well researched, but I'll take the compliment😆.

Like I said to Nora, there was no one yer rule. There was no legit reason for Arjuna to get exiled for simply seeing Yudhishtira and Panchali together in the weapons room if it were actually a weapon. He didn't even need to go to the weapons room. Arjuna didn't have his gandeev yet, and for a regular bow and arrows, he could've simply borrowed from any of the guards.

My theory might not sit well with a lot of people, but remember this is only speculation based on psychology of men and women.

I think there was lingering attraction between Arjuna and Panchali from swayamvar. I think by "weapon," Vyasa meant... er... his male weapon. He might've gotten caught making a move when he wasn't supposed to. I don't know if she reciprocated. In any case, he got exiled.

Krishna wasn't informed for whatever reason. After a year, when Arjuna ended up in Dwaraka, Krishna got to hear of the events. He knew Arjuna needed to return for future plans... ie, empire building. Ulupi was a naga girl and Chitrangada stayed in Manipura; neither situation was enough to make sure the awkwardness was soothed. Krishna saw Arjuna was attracted to Subhadra. If they were married, she could actually be the ticket to his reentry into Indraprastha as all parties wouldn't want to mess up that alliance - neither Arjuna by breaking her heart, nor the Pandava family by not welcoming her and her husband in.

Actually, this exile in the absence of the one year rule is another piece of evidence against polyandry. If she were indeed married to all 5 with no such rule, why was Arjuna exiled? There are other interesting bits as well which add to my disbelief of polyandry, but that's another discussion.

Interesting