Why you need to marry alot ?? - Page 4

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

In Krishna's case, each of his major wives had 10 sons. In the case of the 16,100 wives he captured after killing Narakasura, the reason he married them was that they had no future: no other man would marry them b'cos they had already been violated by Narakasura.

Pradhyumna marrying Rukmavat and Anirudha marrying Rochana were unhealthy, given that Vidharbha was already an ally and bound to Dwarka due to Rukmini alone. Same w/ Arjun & Subhadra: Dwarka was already beholden to the Pandavas due to Kunti being Vasudev's sister. Subhadra's marriage to Arjun was to prevent the alliance from being trumped if she married a Pandava enemy, like Dury. Also, as Shalya turned out to prove, being an uncle of the Pandavas didn't prevent him from joining their enemy.

Chitrangada was a genuine romantic interest of Arjun's, and did nothing for the Pandavas politically: Arjun's son Babruvahana was totally out of the Pandava succession, and even though he was king, he didn't participate in the Kurukshetra war, even though his father was there in it. Also, Manipur was nowhere near Indraprastha, and Pragjyotisha - Guwahati - was a Kaurava ally.

Rukmi was an enemy of Krishna even after Rukmini.

It was perhaps idiotic to imagine he would change after Rukmavati, but it did happen.

Agree re: the 16K women.

Chitrangada Arjuna romance is from the imagination of Tagore. There is nothing in the text to suggest there was any romance, at least not from her side.

I did not claim Manipura was near Indraprastha. I said because of its location ie in the north east, it would serve well as buffer against invaders. At that point, Pragjyotisha LATER functioning as Kaurava ally would not have mattered.

Same reasoning for Babruvahana mot being in succession line. When Arjuna married Chitrangada, the succession was several years into the future and would not likely have been a thought.

If you mean that line about being struck by desire at the first sight of her, Arjuna was similarly struck by desire at his first sight of Panchali and Subhadra as well. I guess it helps the ladies in question were not crones. But the one time he was struck by desire (Ulupi) and saw no political benefit, he chose not to acknowledge her as wife until much later in life.

Kunti being Vasudev's sister did not cause the Yadavas to offer help in any way, shape, or form. Nor did she ask for it. In this scenario, Subhadra being married to Suyodhana would have decidedly changed Yadava attitudes. So yes, Arjuna Subhadra was very much political.

The blame for the marriage alliances eventually not counting except in the case of Panchal and Krishna can solidly be laid at Yudhishtira's feet IMO. Who would want to follow an emperor like him?

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

I think Duryodhan had only 1 daughter and 1 son. Samba abducted her, so Duryodhan couldn't use her to expand his alliances. But he did use that relationship to approach Krishna for support. Aside from that, his sister Duhshala was the link to Jayadrath.

But like Proteeti mentioned, the ladki walis were obligated to support their in-laws, which is why someone from Subhadra's side was duty-bound to support the Pandavas. Which is the basis on which Arjun approached Krishna. Dury approached him on the basis of Samba's marriage to Lakshmanaa. Had Krishna gone solely by hierarchy, he'd have been more duty-bound to Subhadra than to Lakshmanaa: if anything, he could have demanded Dury's support.

One thing about Gandhari's curse that I found amusing, aside from Samba being the agent who caused it, was that Gandhari ended up widowing Lakshmanaa. I happen to think Lakshmanaa may have been one of the Yadava womenfolk abducted by bandits when Arjun was escorting them all back to Mathura

@First part. That's what I said Krishna went to Duryodhan as the shaantidoot, going by the ladkiwaale rule Duryodhan should have accepted it, but he did just the reverse

@second part thats really so horrific, Gandhaari probably didn't realize the curse she gave. But I don't think that Lakshmana could have been one of those women, since she was someone important, I don't think she would have gone uncredited had she been one of those women

I hope she wasn't, entire Kuruvansh look so close to me that sorrow of anyone on either side hurts

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

No, there was no battle. Arjun approached King Chitravahana and asked him for Chitrangada's hand in marriage. The king had only that daughter, so he allowed it but made it conditional that her son should be the yuvraj of Manipur, and not in the Indraprastha line of succession. Arjun had no issues w/ it, since he thought that it would in any case be Yudhisthir's sons who'd be in line to the throne

The word in that shloka is very telling. Arjuna went to Manipura and straight up asked the king for the girl's hand and introduces himself. The king had to placate Arjuna.

So you're right there was no battle.

Only a bit of coercion.

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Oh wow that's an interesting take.

Will like to check if

You'll find it on YT I think.

It's called Chitrangada: The Crowning Wish. English subs is also available :))

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

You'll find it on YT I think.

It's called Chitrangada: The Crowning Wish. English subs is also available :))

Will definitely check it.

By the way how did he justify the birth of Babhruwahan then

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Will definitely check it.

By the way how did he justify the birth of Babhruwahan then

He skipped it. It's more like his modern take. 😆

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

The word in that shloka is very telling. Arjuna went to Manipura and straight up asked the king for the girl's hand and introduces himself. The king had to placate Arjuna.

So you're right there was no battle.

Only a bit of coercion.

How was it coercion in the slightest?

Remember, in those days, daughters didn't succeed their fathers to thrones: they were simply given away in marriage to foreign princes or kings, and were then considered part of their married families, and their offspring too. The purpose here would have been matrimonial alliances. So under normal circumstances, had Chitravahana had a son, he'd have wanted to give Chintrangada to someone who could have made her a queen - a mother to a future king.

But since he didn't, he wanted his daughter to marry someone noble enough to be worthy of her, but not so high in stature that his son would automatically be expected to succeed him. Like had the proposal been for Chitrangada to marry Yudhisthir, that wouldn't have worked for Chitravahana, since any son of Yudhisthir would have been in the line of succession (say, had Pritivindhya and Yaudheya not been born). Which would have been fine had Chitravahana had a son, but not here.

W/ Arjun, he was getting everything he could have hoped for:

• His daughter married a prince, not some lesser kshatriya or brahmin;
• That prince agreed to his demand that his grandson would succeed him as king

What's more, his kingdom didn't take part in the war, despite the war involving the king's father!

The only downside, from a traditional/social POV was that Chitrangada wasn't able to fulfill her marital duties towards the likes of Kunti, Draupadi and other family elders. That didn't happen until the Ashwamedha yagna, when after the yagna, Uloopi and Chitrangada remained in Hastinapur w/ Arjun, Subhadra and rest of the Pandava family.

She would have done better to have had 2 sons from Arjun, and return the second to Arjun after the war, so that the Pandavas would have had a successor other than Parikshit w/o skipping a generation

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Chitrangada Arjuna romance is from the imagination of Tagore. There is nothing in the text to suggest there was any romance, at least not from her side.

If you mean that line about being struck by desire at the first sight of her, Arjuna was similarly struck by desire at his first sight of Panchali and Subhadra as well. I guess it helps the ladies in question were not crones. But the one time he was struck by desire (Ulupi) and saw no political benefit, he chose not to acknowledge her as wife until much later in life.

Arjun asked for Chitrangada's hand in marriage b'cos he was smitten by her: why else would he have asked? Politically, there was nothing in it for him

In case of Panchali, he was just interested in the archery contest, and in case of Subhadra, he was persuaded by Krishna to abduct her. In case of Uloopi, he actually did not want to marry her, but did so when she emotionally blackmailed him 😆 telling him that she'd die if he didn't accept her. I guess him impregnating her emotionally saved her. 😆

But yeah, looking at it all, looks like Chitrangada was the only princess that Arjun proactively wanted, and got. Except that he only got to enjoy her for a year initially, and after that, only after the Ashwamedha yagna

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Not true - the reason Shalya set off for Kurukshetra was to join the Pandavas. It was only due to Dury's trickery that he ended up on the Kaurava side.

Also, during Draupadi's swayamvara, when the Pandavas were disguised, he fought against Bhima when he objected to Draupadi marrying the Brahmins and ignoring the Kshatriyas. On that occasion, he was on the same side as Karna

That was my point only na. Shalya was never that aggressively on Ps part. He was going to join Ps due to Mama connection but then ended up with Ks.

I was jokin ke none of the main characters got a useful mama. 😆

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

How was it coercion in the slightest?

Remember, in those days, daughters didn't succeed their fathers to thrones: they were simply given away in marriage to foreign princes or kings, and were then considered part of their married families, and their offspring too. The purpose here would have been matrimonial alliances. So under normal circumstances, had Chitravahana had a son, he'd have wanted to give Chintrangada to someone who could have made her a queen - a mother to a future king.

But since he didn't, he wanted his daughter to marry someone noble enough to be worthy of her, but not so high in stature that his son would automatically be expected to succeed him. Like had the proposal been for Chitrangada to marry Yudhisthir, that wouldn't have worked for Chitravahana, since any son of Yudhisthir would have been in the line of succession (say, had Pritivindhya and Yaudheya not been born). Which would have been fine had Chitravahana had a son, but not here.

W/ Arjun, he was getting everything he could have hoped for:

• His daughter married a prince, not some lesser kshatriya or brahmin;
• That prince agreed to his demand that his grandson would succeed him as king

What's more, his kingdom didn't take part in the war, despite the war involving the king's father!

The only downside, from a traditional/social POV was that Chitrangada wasn't able to fulfill her marital duties towards the likes of Kunti, Draupadi and other family elders. That didn't happen until the Ashwamedha yagna, when after the yagna, Uloopi and Chitrangada remained in Hastinapur w/ Arjun, Subhadra and rest of the Pandava family.

She would have done better to have had 2 sons from Arjun, and return the second to Arjun after the war, so that the Pandavas would have had a successor other than Parikshit w/o skipping a generation

Manipur and other North eastern states were not like those of mainland India.

The females there had a lot of powers because there was traces of maternal society still remaining there.

What you said could be true for Devika and Yudheya