Blaming Draupadi for everything : Isn't it victim blaming? - Page 3

I know that I initiated this topic, but let's not bring poets of Michael Madhusudan Dutta's stature to this conversation. It's my request please. His work "Meghnad Vadh Kavya" is a literary masterpiece.

Also, let's not limit ourselves in deciding who to like and who not to. The issue is not liking Karna, Ravana or disliking Vibhisan or Kunti.

The issue is in having half knowledge and misrepresentation of facts.

If someone having full knowledge of what a character's deeds and misdeeds are and can still respect/love an antagonist then that's their personal right and choice.

I know the full extent of Karna's misdeeds and still consider him my favourite and I don't think that makes me any wrong.

I love Draupadi too. She is my favorite female character in mythology and I would never justify or defend Karna's loathsome words or actions towards her.

Anyone can like a villian in mythology/literature until and unless they don't follow the villainous actions in their own life.

Agree with the rest of the points mentioned above.👍🏼

Originally posted by: AnkitaPurka66

I know that I initiated this topic, but let's not bring authors of Michael Madhusudan Dutta's stature to this conversation. It's my request please. His work "Meghnad Vadh Kavya" is a literary masterpiece.

Also, let's not limit ourselves in deciding who to like and who not to. The issue is not liking Karna, Ravana or disliking Vibhisan or Kunti.

The issue is in having half knowledge and misrepresentation of facts.

If someone having full knowledge of what a character's deeds and misdeeds are and can still respect/love an antagonist then that's their personal right and choice.

I know the full extent of Karna's misdeeds and still consider him my favourite and I don't think that makes me any wrong.

I love Draupadi too. She is my favorite female character in mythology and I would never justify or defend Karna's loathsome words or actions towards her.

Anyone can like a villian in mythology/literature until and unless they don't follow the villainous actions in their own life.

Agree with the rest of the points mentioned above.👍🏼

@bold - sorry, I don't agree with you on that. Kidnapping and elopement are two very different things, acc to me but it seemed the same thing for the author I had mentioned. If he could hate on Shri Ram, then I can dislike him too. So, I'd keep my views intact.

Rest all is good. 👍🏼

Originally posted by: sonnet11

@bold - sorry, I don't agree with you on that. Kidnapping and elopement are two very different things, acc to me but it seemed the same thing for the author I had mentioned. If he could hate on Shri Ram, then I can dislike him too. So, I'd keep my views intact.

Rest all is good. 👍🏼

Of course, one is entitled to like/dislike an author as long as the work is respected 😊

That subtle and sometimes not so subtle victim blaming is one of the aspects of this show I dislike.

Originally posted by: AnkitaPurka66

In the texts, Draupadi was not even in the scene. When Duryodhana fell in the water, all the Pandavas laughed out.

That "Andhe ka putra Andha" line is taken from some folklore/theatre, as far as I know. It's not in the text.

Even if we disregard the fact that it's not in the authentic texts, the comment doesn't justify the shameful treatment Draupadi received. It only displays Duryodhan's bloated ego and envy.

Also, given how the conspiracy was pre planned, Draupadi wouldn't have received a better treatment for sure.

Originally posted by: AnkitaPurka66

Of course, one is entitled to like/dislike an author as long as the work is respected 😊

I am unable to respect this particular work by him (Haven't read others). He wrote it from the perspective of the colonial lens of the British. The colonial glasses would look down upon the civilization of the colonized people. So, he was dealing with that pressure of being an Indian skin and hating his own culture but looking up to the white masters. I don't have any such pressure. I am proud of my inheritance and Indian legacy. You have to feel Indian from inside in order to understand Indian texts but that is missing from his text. But I respect his learning, education and contribution.

Sorry for going off topic. I'll stop at that. 🤗

Originally posted by: sonnet11

I am unable to respect this particular work by him (Haven't read others). He wrote it from the perspective of the colonial lens of the British. The colonial glasses would look down upon the civilization of the colonized people. So, he was dealing with that pressure of being an Indian skin and hating his own culture but looking up to the white masters. I don't have any such pressure. I am proud of my inheritance and Indian legacy. You have to feel Indian from inside in order to understand Indian texts but that is missing from his text. But I respect his learning, education and contribution.

Sorry for going off topic. I'll stop at that. 🤗o

Yes, agree that he was very influenced by the British and tried to completely replicate British culture and even converted to Christianity during his youth.

He composed in English for years

However, he didn't get the recognition that he desired.

Then he returned to writing in Bengali.

His contribution to Bengali literature in just 5 years is massive. He introduced a completely new form of rhythm in Bengali poetry.

At the end, he returned to his roots and directed to write his epitaph in pure Bengali.

I agree with your points about him identifying himself as an Englishman, but he did return to his mother tongue eventually.

I think Meghnad Vadh is the one of the first pieces that tried to look at a known story from a different angle.

I am definitely not arguing, just sharing my thoughts. Hope you don't mind.

Liked interacting with you. 🤗

And yes, we went way off topic.😆

It's easier to blame a woman who defied the norms and spoke for her self respect, Even now women are blamed for molestation and rape so blaming Draupadi is very normal approach of this society.

I don't know if Yudhisthira asked Draupadi to apologize to Duryodhana, but if he did then shame on him

But none can blame Draupadi for the War, Pandavas had sent peace offering to Duryodhana before war, they were content with getting 5 villages, the war happened because Duryodhana rejected this peace offering. (Please correct me if wrong).

Even if Draupadi insulted Duryodhana's father or rejected Karna for his caste, nothing justifies their wrong intention to harass and molest Draupadi.

I have seen so called liberals who are against Draupadi's alleged casteist mindset, justifying this attempt of disrobing her for one comment of her.

Absolutely nothing, nothing whatsoever justifies what happened to Draupadi.

That's it.

And to think, she was menstruating at that time.😭

Originally posted by: NoraSM

It's easier to blame a woman who defied the norms and spoke for her self respect, Even now women are blamed for molestation and rape so blaming Draupadi is very normal approach of this society.

I don't know if Yudhisthira asked Draupadi to apologize to Duryodhana, but if he did then shame on him

But none can blame Draupadi for the War, Pandavas had sent peace offering to Duryodhana before war, they were content with getting 5 villages, the war happened because Duryodhana rejected this peace offering. (Please correct me if wrong).

Even if Draupadi insulted Duryodhana's father or rejected Karna for his caste, nothing justifies their wrong intention to harass and molest Draupadi.

I have seen so called liberals who are against Draupadi's alleged casteist mindset, justifying this attempt of disrobing her for one comment of her.

Liberals stoop to the same level they pretend to loathe. 😅