Did Anupama actually go to college? - Page 2

Originally posted by: ...manal...

Why do people confuse being educated with having a good command over the English language? English may be a universally spoken language but it is not the hallmark of intelligence. A lot of people also have an issue with the way she pronounces some of the words like sorry and thank you. Can we please stop associating South Asian accents with being uneducated? If you have a problem with her accent, please introspect. There are hundreds of thousands languages spoken around the world and with those come hundreds of thousands of accents. Some of the brightest minds in the world don't speak in English but in their own native languages. Does that compromise their education?

Anupamaa must have studied in Guajarati all through junior and middle school. Her limited experience with English happened only when she attended college and that too for just a year. As for her struggles with outdoor work, her wings were clipped by her husband and mother-in-law for 26 years. Her life was within the four walls of that house from the age of 19 to this day. She never got the opportunity to learn to be independent. Even now, though she is divorced, the fact that she still resides in that wretched house means her independence has its limitations. You cannot learn when you have shackles on your feet (Vanraj, Baa and Toshu, her own mental/social conditioning) constantly holding you back. Mental health is very complex. She will get there. It's just going to take a long time.

Absolutely correct. Knowing English is not sign of intelligence. I work with global team, so many Chinese, Mexican are smart but don't have command over English. They don't feel inferior about it. I don't know why in india if you don't know English we label them as uneducated. It was very common at that time to attend vernacular medium. English as a subject is thought later on. Re her sorry some ppl do get their local accent while talking English.

Originally posted by: Moongdal

Absolutely correct. Knowing English is not sign of intelligence. I work with global team, so many Chinese, Mexican are smart but don't have command over English. They don't feel inferior about it. I don't know why in india if you don't know English we label them as uneducated. It was very common at that time to attend vernacular medium. English as a subject is thought later on. Re her sorry some ppl do get their local accent while talking English.

It is a very colonial mentality to be ashamed of your own accent and native languages. I have seen it within my own extended family. Truly sad if you ask me.

Sammy I am an educator and can tell you that even today girls going to colleges in tier 2, 3 cities struggle to communicate in English. They get jobs in cities and struggle to fill forms in a bank. Many of them who study in regional language schools find English tough. I've asked them wasn't the medium of instruction English? They sheepishly grin and say all teaching happened in the local language. They studied enough English to pass an exam. I'm speaking of girls in their 20s. I'm not surprised at Anupama s language. She has been kept under the demonic rule of Baa and Vanraj. Her request to pursue her education was thwarted by the duo.

Originally posted by: moonwearer

Sammy I am an educator and can tell you that even today girls going to colleges in tier 2, 3 cities struggle to communicate in English. They get jobs in cities and struggle to fill forms in a bank. Many of them who study in regional language schools find English tough. I've asked them wasn't the medium of instruction English? They sheepishly grin and say all teaching happened in the local language. They studied enough English to pass an exam. I'm speaking of girls in their 20s. I'm not surprised at Anupama s language. She has been kept under the demonic rule of Baa and Vanraj. Her request to pursue her education was thwarted by the duo.

Thank you so much for this explanation. Given the large number of regional languages in India I imagine that many schools may prefer wanting to teach those languages to students to preserve those languages rather than focus on English. So I guess the way anupama has been portrayed seems more realistic after your explanation. ❤️

It is not about communicating in English or being expert in english... my problem is pronouncing sooory and thaanku... weird way !!!!

We had English as a mandatory language in 8th grade to 12th with optional hindi / gujarati (yes, from Gujarat).

If you learn enough to pass from 8-12th, I am sure you know how to reply with 'thank you' and pronounce 'sorry' or say some sort sentences like: as you wish, sure, I will, I can, my pleasure etc.

I know of very well educated people enunciate bank and Byank, February as fevrury, opportunity as opar tunity.... It's her style of saying the word.

Geoff Boycot used to call the game Kri kit and wee kit.

If we can have American English Australian English what is wrong with Babu English?

Nizzim Ezekiel has penned some beautiful verses in Indian English.

Many Indiana think in the mother tongue andformulate sentences in it and then translate.

Anupama college bred of not is a far superior human to Rakhee,Vanraj, T1 or Kavya.

If education does not refine our thinking and ability treat others with respect and cordiality the degree are worthless.

Originally posted by: moonwearer

I know of very well educated people enunciate bank and Byank, February as fevrury, opportunity as opar tunity.... It's her style of saying the word.

Geoff Boycot used to call the game Kri kit and wee kit.

If we can have American English Australian English what is wrong with Babu English?

Nizzim Ezekiel has penned some beautiful verses in Indian English.

Many Indiana think in the mother tongue andformulate sentences in it and then translate.

Anupama college bred of not is a far superior human to Rakhee,Vanraj, T1 or Kavya.

If education does not refine our thinking and ability treat others with respect and cordiality the degree are worthless.

THIS. 👏 THANK YOU.

Originally posted by: ...manal...

Why do people confuse being educated with having a good command over the English language? English may be a universally spoken language but it is not the hallmark of intelligence. A lot of people also have an issue with the way she pronounces some of the words like sorry and thank you. Can we please stop associating South Asian accents with being uneducated? If you have a problem with her accent, please introspect. There are hundreds of thousands languages spoken around the world and with those come hundreds of thousands of accents. Some of the brightest minds in the world don't speak in English but in their own native languages. Does that compromise their education?

Anupamaa must have studied in Guajarati all through junior and middle school. Her limited experience with English happened only when she attended college and that too for just a year. As for her struggles with outdoor work, her wings were clipped by her husband and mother-in-law for 26 years. Her life was within the four walls of that house from the age of 19 to this day. She never got the opportunity to learn to be independent. Even now, though she is divorced, the fact that she still resides in that wretched house means her independence has its limitations. You cannot learn when you have shackles on your feet (Vanraj, Baa and Toshu, her own mental/social conditioning) constantly holding you back. Mental health is very complex. She will get there. It's just going to take a long time.

I am sorry if anything even i said separately in my post came off across as me making fun of her or looking down upon her for not being fluent in english or having a south asian accent.

English is absolutely NOT the standard with which you judge a person's intellect or educational capabilities. At the very most it is a convenience that can come in handy at most places.

Anupama's "sori" like i said is an over exaggeration because devika had told once how anupama was a brilliant student and an almost bookworm and loved her books. Which implies that she as a person was eager to learn. And even now in many many places we have seen her go out of her comfort zone for her kids. Like learning to make keto burgers for pakhi's friends.

And "sorry" as a word is not very complex and through enough use indians can adapt to pronouncing it properly. Many foreigners whose mother tongue is not english have trouble speaking english because of the sheer fact that our vocal cords get used to working in the same way as is required by our mother tongue. Which is why many foreigners who visit india have troubles speaking the most basic of hindi.

But her kids have all studied in english schools and even bapuji can at the very least speak and understand a bit of english.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with not being able to speak english. The reason why many are irritated with her "sori" is because we have heard her say that soooooo many times throughout the show even when she wasnt at fault.

Anupama has deliberately been shown as uneducated with not only the way she speaks but also the way she conducts and carries herself and is always talking about things like "mein maa hu ne" and using her role as "maa" to justify round about everything she does and say.

Originally posted by: moonwearer

I know of very well educated people enunciate bank and Byank, February as fevrury, opportunity as opar tunity.... It's her style of saying the word.

Geoff Boycot used to call the game Kri kit and wee kit.

If we can have American English Australian English what is wrong with Babu English?

Nizzim Ezekiel has penned some beautiful verses in Indian English.

Many Indiana think in the mother tongue andformulate sentences in it and then translate.

Anupama college bred of not is a far superior human to Rakhee,Vanraj, T1 or Kavya.

If education does not refine our thinking and ability treat others with respect and cordiality the degree are worthless.

I know people have different accents.

We do respect all accents - my department has people from 7 different countries - obviously different accents.

I understand education makes people more sensitive to others and teaches to be respectful/understanding etc.

IMHO - my point is:

writers using that 'sori' and 'thanku' (with those hand gestures) accents to show anu an illiterate doormat - maid type of woman - which she is not !

She should be portrayed as normal (relatable) 12th pass woman with this kind of past, family torture& no moral /mental support (her family or friends) ... she is depressed / lost her self confidence etc.

Originally posted by: chenjulia110

I am sorry if anything even i said separately in my post came off across as me making fun of her or looking down upon her for not being fluent in english or having a south asian accent.

English is absolutely NOT the standard with which you judge a person's intellect or educational capabilities. At the very most it is a convenience that can come in handy at most places.

Anupama's "sori" like i said is an over exaggeration because devika had told once how anupama was a brilliant student and an almost bookworm and loved her books. Which implies that she as a person was eager to learn. And even now in many many places we have seen her go out of her comfort zone for her kids. Like learning to make keto burgers for pakhi's friends.

And "sorry" as a word is not very complex and through enough use indians can adapt to pronouncing it properly. Many foreigners whose mother tongue is not english have trouble speaking english because of the sheer fact that our vocal cords get used to working in the same way as is required by our mother tongue. Which is why many foreigners who visit india have troubles speaking the most basic of hindi.

But her kids have all studied in english schools and even bapuji can at the very least speak and understand a bit of english.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with not being able to speak english. The reason why many are irritated with her "sori" is because we have heard her say that soooooo many times throughout the show even when she wasnt at fault.

Anupama has deliberately been shown as uneducated with not only the way she speaks but also the way she conducts and carries herself and is always talking about things like "mein maa hu ne" and using her role as "maa" to justify round about everything she does and say.

I understand where you're coming from. But I still don't see an issue with her pronunciation. You can not know English, have an accent and still be intelligent/be a bookwork/eager for knowledge because there is simply no correlation between language and intellect. An explanation for her English pronunciation could be that she simply lost her eagerness to learn or educate herself after she stepped foot into the Shah house. The Shahs have a tendency to completely drain a person of their gist for life. Her kids never helped her learn either. Rather they would constantly put her down.

And yes, you are right. I think many, if not all, have an issue with her 'sori' not because of her accent but because she is unnecessarily apologetic. She does this is out of habit. And old habits die hard.

I 100% agree with the whole 'maa' theory. That is a bit too much. It is irritating if I am being honest. Especially how Anupamaa was in the whole Paakhi situation. Got on my nerves. But I don't see how that and this topic are related. I also don't know if I was able to properly convey what I have been trying to say. 😆