Kinjal never loved Paritosh - Page 3

Agree that Vanraj did a huge mistake of cheating his wife...but it's also true that he never spoke to baa in the way Toshu spoke to his mother...the point here is not about wife...but of mother and the family...

And if Vanraj did not have the right to confront Toshu,then he also didn't have the right to reprimand Pakhi or badly scold Samar on the Mahashivratri pooja...

For Toshu, why is it that Vanraj scolding Samar was right back then,but Vanraj scolding him for his mistake not ok?

Just because he was insulting his mother,but Samar was calling out his father's mistake?

Toshu didn't ask Kinjal, he was basically dictating her that they move out. He was trying to do what Vanraj Shah has been doing all along: trying to control his wife's choices. And like Baa, Rakhi is supporting him (even if she claims it is for Kinjal's well being). Toshu wanting to move out of Shah madhouse is not wrong (any sane person will want that). But that should have been his and Kinjal's decision. Not Rakhi putting an idea in his head and him acting on it. Having said all this, Kinjal is also somewhat wrong. Shhe should realize she is married to Toshu and not Anupama or Shah family. At the end of the day, it is Kinjal and Toshu who have to build a life together. And how is it possible if neither of them are ready to discuss like adults and reach an amicable solution. If Toshu wanted to move out, then he and Kinjal should have discussed it first. Then they could consider options. If Kinjal had a problem with accepting her mom's offer, then they could have rented an apartment or house. There were so many solutions. Instead they were both stubborn and in the end harmed their own marriage. If this marriage breaks down, then both Toshu and Kinjal are to be blamed. Both of them will be equally responsible for it.

Originally posted by: Rein123

You are right marriage cannot survive the my way or highway attitude no doubt, which is why they had discussed this much earlier. The problem is kinjal and her blind attachment to her in laws in the name of a family. No body was asking her to break off her ties with them, all he asked her is to move out and live separately. He has not stopped her or curbed her from doing whatever she wants but that doesn't mean she gets her way all the time either.

@bold- Funny thing is, even Anupama and family asked Kinjal to try out what Toshu is suggesting. If it isn't working out, they could just move back. But Kinjal for some reason didn't even consider that solution and wants to stick to Shah family, even at the cost of her own marriage. May be she feels that bowing down to Toshu's tantrums is not a good thing (which is kind of true). They should have instead reached a better solution by discussing it among themselves. May be they could have rented a house near to Shah house or something. There were a lot of options available, if Kinjal and Toshu were willing to consider them.

Toshu never thought of living seperately until rakhi offered the pent house. It's not his need but want.

He wants to live a luxurious life at any cost and hurts his own family for the same reason.

If he never loved his family than does he loves kinjal. It's not like he bought the pent house so kinjal can have a better life. He wants to go for his own selfish reasons.

Also toshu left kinjal for pent house but kinjal denied going with him because she is not ready for the change.

Originally posted by: janecastle

Toshu didn't ask Kinjal, he was basically dictating her that they move out. He was trying to do what Vanraj Shah has been doing all along: trying to control his wife's choices. And like Baa, Rakhi is supporting him (even if she claims it is for Kinjal's well being). Toshu wanting to move out of Shah madhouse is not wrong (any sane person will want that). But that should have been his and Kinjal's decision. Not Rakhi putting an idea in his head and him acting on it. Having said all this, Kinjal is also somewhat wrong. Shhe should realize she is married to Toshu and not Anupama or Shah family. At the end of the day, it is Kinjal and Toshu who have to build a life together. And how is it possible if neither of them are ready to discuss like adults and reach an amicable solution. If Toshu wanted to move out, then he and Kinjal should have discussed it first. Then they could consider options. If Kinjal had a problem with accepting her mom's offer, then they could have rented an apartment or house. There were so many solutions. Instead they were both stubborn and in the end harmed their own marriage. If this marriage breaks down, then both Toshu and Kinjal are to be blamed. Both of them will be equally responsible for it.

I think between Kinjal and Paritosh's need the latter's should be given a preference in this case of wanting to move out because he is the one who is suffering not his wife, kinjal wants to stay because she wants to stay with a new found family while Paritosh wants to leave because he feels tortured living with them under their roof, whose need is more important? He wasn't dictating anything to anyone infact even Anupama and Vanraj themselves told him to move out, then why is Kinjal doing a lot of drama here? Are anupama and Vanraj also now being dictators? Tomorrow say if Paritosh were to find a job in another city or state and he had to switch his base for good would she still use the family card against him there as well? Really?? He spoke to her and tried to convince her to his level best but she is just being stubborn unnecessarily and indifferent towards his mental state in that house making her come across as very selfish. If they move out she is not going to lose her family, they will still be together.

From the way I see it she is the one imposing the idea of living in a joint family on Paritosh not the other way round.

Originally posted by: naaznin

Toshu never thought of living seperately until rakhi offered the pent house. It's not his need but want.

He wants to live a luxurious life at any cost and hurts his own family for the same reason.

If he never loved his family than does he loves kinjal. It's not like he bought the pent house so kinjal can have a better life. He wants to go for his own selfish reasons.

Also toshu left kinjal for pent house but kinjal denied going with him because she is not ready for the change.

Kinjal was not ready for the change? How come she was ready when she instantly eloped with him for marriage and moved out of her mother's house? That time she was ready to leave her family for Toshu but this time she is not?? Why? I thought she married him because of she loved him not for his family. He never loved his family but he did love her to actually cut off ties with them at the behest of Rakhi so he could get married unlike Kinjal who can't even decide what she must hold on to what she must let go off.

Paritosh is earning, even if Rakhi hadn't given him the penthouse he can still find another place within his budget but even then Kinjal would object. She is a total fake when it comes to being a wife. Why should Rakhi do anything to break their marriage? Her own adamance and uncompromising nature is enough to get that done. She is a terrible partner for this one reason.

Originally posted by: janecastle

@bold- Funny thing is, even Anupama and family asked Kinjal to try out what Toshu is suggesting. If it isn't working out, they could just move back. But Kinjal for some reason didn't even consider that solution and wants to stick to Shah family, even at the cost of her own marriage. May be she feels that bowing down to Toshu's tantrums is not a good thing (which is kind of true). They should have instead reached a better solution by discussing it among themselves. May be they could have rented a house near to Shah house or something. There were a lot of options available, if Kinjal and Toshu were willing to consider them.

Thats the thing, they also told her to try it out, but she is hell bent on dismissing the very idea of moving out at all even if it comes at the expense of her marriage. My question is, tomorrow if she and Paritosh were to get divorced is she going to follow her MIL's footsteps and shamelessly live with the Tamashah family??? Like naive and stupid is she??

Originally posted by: vismaya

Agree that Vanraj did a huge mistake of cheating his wife...but it's also true that he never spoke to baa in the way Toshu spoke to his mother...the point here is not about wife...but of mother and the family...

And if Vanraj did not have the right to confront Toshu,then he also didn't have the right to reprimand Pakhi or badly scold Samar on the Mahashivratri pooja...

For Toshu, why is it that Vanraj scolding Samar was right back then,but Vanraj scolding him for his mistake not ok?

Just because he was insulting his mother,but Samar was insulting his father?

Vanraj never spoke to his Baa because Hasmukh was sensible enough to not speak to Leela that way, but Vanraj had been berating his wife and Paritosh's mother since a very young age, so obviously he learnt it from Vanraj only and to top it all HasLee rarely intervened over there, that is why Vanraj has no right to slap toshu because that behaviour of his was imparted to him by Vanraj himself.

Our decisions our choices are made by what we see as a value. Rakhi has had a problem with Pramoda value system with the shahs right from the outset. Agree that the shahs are dysfunctional and every character has multiple flaws yet there are certain underlying factors holding them.

Kinjal has had all material comforts but the underlying need in her is care doing little things out of care. She craved for a bunch of folks to love and be loved. Toshu had what she missed and she fell for him. If you remember the way he kept running and Samar followed, calned him and brought him back. He has always thought it okay to emotionally blackmail folks to have his way.

Rakhi is very manipulative insults others without any qualms and is very domineering. One does not become successful by trampling over others. She in vengeful, arrogant and always wants to have her way be it with Pramod, kinjal the Shahs or paritosh. She would have been the same with a guy of her choice for Kinjal.

If kinjal is becoming like Anupama Parirosh is become a version of Rakee and Vara which is a toxic potion in Kinjal view.

Paritosh is not keen on a win win option. He wants a social status that he has not earned but he has bitten a bait or entered a trap set by rakhe and will only complicate kinjal life.

Both felt stifled by their families but they never discussed how to sail through it. Anupama never imposed her views or manipulated kinjal. Rakhi manipulates and Toshu in the hope that she breaks the marriage.

Sacrifices have been made by pramod and Kinjal but never part of Rakis character arc as seen in the plot development.

It is that Kinjal is unwilling to step out as yet she seeks time to voluntarily step out not falling to her mothers ploy.

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https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/158288286